Catholicism.

[liger91]

There are a few tennets of Catholicism that I find hard to believe. One is that of papal infallibility. On the surface, there's a reasonable explanation for this. Catholics seem to view the pope as a kind of "window to God," similar to the "third eye" of Hinduism. But how can a Catholic say "Nobody's perfect" when they believe that this one old man of God is, and that he holds all the answers to their problems and those of the world? Secondly, there's the Catholic veneration of saints. At least one Catholic I know prays to "Saint Anthony" to help her find things and has told other people about this supposedly "helpfful" phrase. The prayer is as follows: "Dear Saint Anthony, please come around. Something's been lost and needs to be found." You say that three times and whatever you've lost, you'll supposedly find. That's the idea. Assenine, ain't it? "There's no place like home. There's no place like home. There's no place like home." Bah! Lastly, there's all the dogma, which I don't know much about, but let me just say this: Babies aren't born sinners. And I think saints are dead, by the way. They may have done great things in their respective lifetimes, but they're dead now and can't help you or anyone else. What do all of you think?

[POOPIES]

Meh, none of that is any more or less ridiculous than believing in the existence of an omnipotent supernatural old man in the sky, or literal faith healing, or possessed evangelical preachers hooting in tongues. When you believe in something like that, craziness is just part of the territory. Let 'em believe what they want to believe; they can waste their lives if they want to.

[CBP]

At 7/1/09 02:13 PM, liger91 wrote: There are a few tennets of Catholicism that I find hard to believe.

Oh, do please go on.

One is that of papal infallibility. On the surface, there's a reasonable explanation for this. Catholics seem to view the pope as a kind of "window to God," similar to the "third eye" of Hinduism. But how can a Catholic say "Nobody's perfect" when they believe that this one old man of God is, and that he holds all the answers to their problems and those of the world?

Very few Catholics actually consider the pope truly infallible, almost all of us are aware that papal infallibility was just a way for the old Church to control people by saying that the leader can do no wrong. We do believe that he is a very holy man, and that he is as close to God as a living human can be.

Secondly, there's the Catholic veneration of saints. At least one Catholic I know prays to "Saint Anthony" to help her find things and has told other people about this supposedly "helpfful" phrase. The prayer is as follows: "Dear Saint Anthony, please come around. Something's been lost and needs to be found." You say that three times and whatever you've lost, you'll supposedly find. That's the idea. Assenine, ain't it? "There's no place like home. There's no place like home. There's no place like home." Bah!

I assume you are a Protestant, so think about this: if you are sick, or need help with something do you not want for people to pray for you? That is the whole idea about saints, the only difference is that we as both the living and those who now live with God to pray for us.

Lastly, there's all the dogma, which I don't know much about, but let me just say this: Babies aren't born sinners. And I think saints are dead, by the way. They may have done great things in their respective lifetimes, but they're dead now and can't help you or anyone else. What do all of you think?

All humans are born with original sin, and nobody is disputing the current condition of the saints.

[onescarydude]

At 7/1/09 06:49 PM, CBP wrote:
All humans are born with original sin, and nobody is disputing the current condition of the saints.

You BELIEVE all humans are born with original sin. How can an innocent child, who has yet to perform an act in this world have sinned? Because Eve supposedly ate an apple that she wasn't supposed to? So all humanity is doomed for eternity because of one woman's stupidity is what I'm seeing here.

Different people have different beliefs, what's been said here in essence is:
"I don't believe it."
"Well I do, so your belief is wrong."

I'm a Wiccan, does that automatically make me satanic? Does that mean i'm going to go to hell?

[poxpower]

At 7/1/09 06:49 PM, CBP wrote:

Very few Catholics actually consider the pope truly infallible, almost all of us are aware that papal infallibility was just a way for the old Church to control people by saying that the leader can do no wrong. We do believe that he is a very holy man, and that he is as close to God as a living human can

Ok so in case you hadn't realized what you just wrote: you believe that the POPE, the closest thing to God on earth, manipulated the body of the church and the text of the bible to expand his power.

But let me guess, he doesn't do that anymore, right? It's always all the OTHER popes, those were the bad popes.

I assume you are a Protestant, so think about this: if you are sick, or need help with something do you not want for people to pray for you?

His point is: why not pray directly to God?

All humans are born with original sin

And don't forget the 8 eternal animal spirits.

[CBP]

At 7/1/09 06:57 PM, onescarydude wrote:

At 7/1/09 06:49 PM, CBP wrote:
All humans are born with original sin, and nobody is disputing the current condition of the saints.

You BELIEVE all humans are born with original sin. How can an innocent child, who has yet to perform an act in this world have sinned? Because Eve supposedly ate an apple that she wasn't supposed to? So all humanity is doomed for eternity because of one woman's stupidity is what I'm seeing here.

If that is what you see then so be it, but just so we're clear, humanity is not doomed, that's what the whole Messiah thing is all about.

Different people have different beliefs, what's been said here in essence is:
"I don't believe it."
"Well I do, so your belief is wrong."

He said something untrue about Catholicism so I corrected him. The only beliefs of his I said were wrong were the falsities he stated about my denomination.

I'm a Wiccan, does that automatically make me satanic? Does that mean i'm going to go to hell?

I'm really not the person to ask, you should see a priest.

[CBP]

At 7/1/09 07:05 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/1/09 06:49 PM, CBP wrote:

Very few Catholics actually consider the pope truly infallible, almost all of us are aware that papal infallibility was just a way for the old Church to control people by saying that the leader can do no wrong. We do believe that he is a very holy man, and that he is as close to God as a living human can

Ok so in case you hadn't realized what you just wrote: you believe that the POPE, the closest thing to God on earth, manipulated the body of the church and the text of the bible to expand his power.

not the text of the bible, during the Middle Ages many manipulated the Church, but that was all fixed in the 2nd Vatican Council in the sixties.

But let me guess, he doesn't do that anymore, right? It's always all the OTHER popes, those were the bad popes.

Not all of them, but a few yes.

I assume you are a Protestant, so think about this: if you are sick, or need help with something do you not want for people to pray for you?

His point is: why not pray directly to God?

We do that as well, we just also ask others to pray for us, and some of them happen to be dead.

All humans are born with original sin

And don't forget the 8 eternal animal spirits.

I neither know nor care about them.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 7/1/09 06:57 PM, onescarydude wrote:

At 7/1/09 06:49 PM, CBP wrote:

I'm a Wiccan, does that automatically make me satanic?

No, it's the farthest thing from being Satanic. That's a spin put on it by the Church in order to increase their power. Whatever is a threat to the Church is automatically deemed heresy and Satanic by it.

Does that mean i'm going to go to hell?

Not in the slightest.

[SolInvictus]

At 7/1/09 11:35 PM, CBP wrote: We do that as well, we just also ask others to pray for us, and some of them happen to be dead.

like calling on a witness rather than assuming your prayers deserve to be heard or answered.

[poxpower]

At 7/1/09 11:35 PM, CBP wrote:

not the text of the bible, during the Middle Ages many manipulated the Church, but that was all fixed in the 2nd Vatican Council in the sixties.

What do you mean, "all fixed"?
Last I heard, boy-fucking is still rampant and they're running around telling Africans that condoms don't work.

Not all of them, but a few yes.

How can popes THEN be bad, but NOW be the representative of God? How exactly are YOU qualified to evaluate this subject?

We do that as well, we just also ask others to pray for us, and some of them happen to be dead.

Why would you need to ask more than one, ever?
God is the one who'll answer all prayers anyway.
Praying to anyone BUT God is evidently nothing but polytheism repackaged and completely useless if you follow any description of God that religious people will give you.

I neither know nor care about them.

You don't care about the 8 animals spirits? ( mantis, tiger, zebra, triceratops, shark, gremlin, horse, beetle )
Well you can't go to Zarban if you don't align your chookahs with the spirits :O Only through the Beastmaster will your spirit-avatar be saved from the torments of Karkos mountain.

Wait this probably sounds fucking retarded to you because you're closed-minded. If only you'd open your mind and allow for more possibilities than your own point of view!

[SolInvictus]

At 7/2/09 02:00 AM, poxpower wrote: How can popes THEN be bad, but NOW be the representative of God? How exactly are YOU qualified to evaluate this subject?

popes with children kind of help with the decision for one.

[satanbrain]

At 7/2/09 02:00 AM, poxpower wrote: Praying to anyone BUT God is evidently nothing but polytheism repackaged and completely useless if you follow any description of God that religious people will give you.

people don't have enough belief so they tempted to worship a human being.

[mikailus]

At 7/2/09 04:51 AM, satanbrain wrote:

At 7/2/09 02:00 AM, poxpower wrote: Praying to anyone BUT God is evidently nothing but polytheism repackaged and completely useless if you follow any description of God that religious people will give you.

people don't have enough belief so they tempted to worship a human being.

And THAT I totally agree with!!!!

[CBP]

At 7/2/09 02:00 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/1/09 11:35 PM, CBP wrote:

not the text of the bible, during the Middle Ages many manipulated the Church, but that was all fixed in the 2nd Vatican Council in the sixties.

What do you mean, "all fixed"?
Last I heard, boy-fucking is still rampant and they're running around telling Africans that condoms don't work.

I said that the papal infallibility as well as a few other things were fixed. The pope should retract his statement about condoms, but pedophilia is not rampant.

Not all of them, but a few yes.

How can popes THEN be bad, but NOW be the representative of God? How exactly are YOU qualified to evaluate this subject?

I never said they were all bad before the 2nd Vatican Council, just like I never said they were all good after. Unless you're going to pull out some sort of theology degree (doubtful) then I am exactly as qualified as you, if not more so as I have spent time researching Catholicism both in religious education and independently.

We do that as well, we just also ask others to pray for us, and some of them happen to be dead.

Why would you need to ask more than one, ever?
God is the one who'll answer all prayers anyway.
Praying to anyone BUT God is evidently nothing but polytheism repackaged and completely useless if you follow any description of God that religious people will give you.

Some people choose to interpret it that way.

I neither know nor care about them.

You don't care about the 8 animals spirits? ( mantis, tiger, zebra, triceratops, shark, gremlin, horse, beetle )
Well you can't go to Zarban if you don't align your chookahs with the spirits :O Only through the Beastmaster will your spirit-avatar be saved from the torments of Karkos mountain.

Wait this probably sounds fucking retarded to you because you're closed-minded. If only you'd open your mind and allow for more possibilities than your own point of view!

Yeah, isn't it annoying when people are so convinced that they're way is the only way?

I would just like to point out that I only posted on this to clear up some misconceptions about Catholicism for Liger. I am not trying to force my views on anybody, and maybe you should ask yourself this: Why am I so insecure with my own beliefs that I must attack the beliefs of others?

[SolInvictus]

At 7/2/09 04:51 AM, satanbrain wrote:

At 7/2/09 02:00 AM, poxpower wrote: Praying to anyone BUT God is evidently nothing but polytheism repackaged and completely useless if you follow any description of God that religious people will give you.

people don't have enough belief so they tempted to worship a human being.

reverence isn't worship.