Crazy Environmental Idea

[Blue-Bullet-Bill]

I'm not usually much for the whole environmental movement. But polar bears have a special place in my heart. It irritates me that they're dying left and right due to climate change. At the same time, I know a lot of proposed solutions are unrealistic. Like it or not, we're stuck with oil until we run out, and then the oil companies will release the alternitives they've had all along. (but that's a whole other story)

My Dad and I hatched this idea over breakfest. Rather than focus on stopping emissions to save them, why not build their home. A floating platform.

A space to laugh it off and then consider. Ready?

I think we could build a floating platform, with ready-made structures you'd normally find (fishing holes, shelters, etc) for them to live on. I'm no engeneering expert, but I believe it would be possible, and (in a world where Obama throws money at every problem) fundible.

Share you opinions. (as if I have to tell you)
And early thanks to anyone who actually considers this, instead of flaming.

[Ericho]

It would probably be too difficult and take too much money and besides the environment can also affect us pretty well so it would be better if we worked on the actual environment itself.

[killingrang]

poler bears are not what you should be worrying about. alge are the things that should be watched. if the sea's increase by 2*c then the alge will die. why is this a problem? well alge are the base of most food chains and also produce about 60% of the worlds oxygen.
so if the alge die, everything is screwed.

[dooseyboy]

yeah, i suppose it would be possible, but there is still the problem of the actual temperature, if it is hot the polar bears would still die from heat exhaustion or something like that,
its a good idea though

[TheReno]

You made me laugh, not cause of your idea, but as I was reading I was considering who would build it and where the money would come from when I read the obama line. So true.

Anywho, dont worry about it. Same shit happened in the 70's and it fixed itself. But if you either dont believe me or want to make it so no matter what time period it is, the polar bears will live, consider the following:
Maintenence. (?): Something on the size your talking about is bound to break. Your talking about a mini continent. That and you got to have it anchored somewhere else it will float to africa or something
The bears: Polar bears are fucking evil dude. They dont like humans. Remote Whaling stations would find dismembered bodies from where a Polar bear had snuck in and took a dude down. Combine this with the point above and you will see the problem.
Government couldnt care less: They really dont. Especially with the money this thing would require, even Al Gore would have a hard time selling this, nd this is the same Gore that rehashed an idea from the 70's. But I digress
Other Wildlife: I guarantee that someone somewhere knows of some problem that this will have. Some ecological bullshit that just kills your idea from the start. It always happens. So theres more money for research and/or lawyers.

So while yes, in the end it would work, I doubt its ever going to happen.

[morefngdbs]

Your idea is ludicris !
I'm not going to flame you...but did you do even the slightest of research on Polar Bears ,just to kind of get an idea of what they actually need ?
Without even doing research i have these few facts bouncing around inside my skull.
You do know that Polar Bears can be their own worst enemy right ?
Males will kill cubs & females . Males will kill each other .
So any idea that "builds a floating platform " has to take this into account.
just because 'the ice is melting' doesn't mean there will continue to be no ice at all. It is still forming in winter...it just isn't lasting through the summer the way it used to & any platform that floats is going to be trapped in ice & sever stress will more than likely cause it to be crushed. as ice moves In different directions or starts building pressure ridges.

Google (or use your favorite search engine ) & ask what an average range for a polar bears is .
20,000 + square miles. THere have been cases of as much as 135,000 square miles !

That's going to be one hell of a big floating platform ! ! ! Even if you build smaller platfomrs you would need tens of thousands of them !
Not very practicle .
Sounds super expensive as well !

[Blue-Bullet-Bill]

Wow great responces for the most part.
"Polar Bears are evil", though, seriously? It's their nature.

[Christopherr]

It's Waterworld for polar bears.

[Ericho]

At 7/1/09 12:30 PM, Blue-Bullet-Bill wrote: "Polar Bears are evil", though, seriously? It's their nature.

He's probably been watching too much of "The Colbert Report".

[TheReno]

At 7/1/09 02:35 PM, Ericho wrote:

At 7/1/09 12:30 PM, Blue-Bullet-Bill wrote: "Polar Bears are evil", though, seriously? It's their nature.

He's probably been watching too much of "The Colbert Report".

No, they arent really evil, but they do not like humans. To the point of hunting us down at times. If this were a build it and leave it forever kind of place, then it doesnt matter, but its not. Were gunna have to fix it up every now and then. And who knows, the break might be near a female bears den and she has cubs. Good luck with that. I mean sure you can tranq em but then what? Your going to now have to set up a perimeter to prevent other bears walking in, going to have to do a through clean up job, cant leave any bolts behind, going to have to figure out why it broke first, and then your going to have to set everyting back the way it was. So a small military action and a shit load of track covering to prevent both being mauled and getting sued.

[poxpower]

Saving the polar bears is worth exactly 0$

Here's the worst that will happen: your kids will read a book about animals and see "polar bears" as "extinct" and go "aw" for like 10 minutes. The end.

[Brick-top]

Since we're only 'contributing' and not the 'main cause' of global warming/climate change etc why not just find solutions to solve the problem instead of spending billions on a ridiculous idea?

[Ericho]

If anyone wants to know the number of noted bear attacks in North America, here you go.

[FC-Thun-Fan]

All the money you'd invest in saving ONE species would be better invested in stuff that can help solve the WHOLE climate instead of just treating one "symptom" of it.

You say you're not usually for the whole enviromental movement. Why not? What's wrong with it in your opinion?

[MultiCanimefan]

At 7/2/09 03:15 PM, FC-Thun-Fan wrote:

You say you're not usually for the whole enviromental movement. Why not? What's wrong with it in your opinion?

It has the whole negative "hippie" connotation, you know? When in reality such an attachment is bunk.

[FC-Thun-Fan]

At 7/2/09 03:18 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 7/2/09 03:15 PM, FC-Thun-Fan wrote:

You say you're not usually for the whole enviromental movement. Why not? What's wrong with it in your opinion?

It has the whole negative "hippie" connotation, you know? When in reality such an attachment is bunk.

Yeah, but in my opinion fighting climate change is the major task we face. And I don't give a fuck if some idiot thinks it's "hippie". They'd rather see the earth die than be a "hippie" morons. Judging by your statement you're on my "side" though.

We need to get together in groups to fight climate change in every way we can.

[Xinimater]

Dude, that's a ludicrous idea and I'm not going to waste my breath on all the problems there are concerning this idea.

The Polar Bears aren't going to be the only ones dieing off, and I know they're all cute and cuddly and everything, but shouldn't we be worrying about the environmental issue as a whole?

Concerning President Obama's Climate Bill, I don't agree with it very much, no matter how much of an environmental activist I am. Yes, it introduces new energy sources such solar and wind, but that's not going to convince people to switch over to renewable energy.

Why?

Because the equipment for this type of thing is expensive AND oil is still cheap. Because of this retching economy, people are more concerned about saving money rather than the environment. So which do you think is people going to lean towards? Now if Obama proposed better ways of convincing people to switch over, then yeah, I would gladly vote for the bill.

[Brick-top]

At 7/2/09 03:38 PM, FC-Thun-Fan wrote: We need to get together in groups to fight climate change in every way we can.

Some little boy has been reeled in by a 'fox news style' broadcast.

If you don't know what the 'fox news style' is, this isn't going to be as funny.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 7/2/09 03:38 PM, FC-Thun-Fan wrote:

At 7/2/09 03:18 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 7/2/09 03:15 PM, FC-Thun-Fan wrote:

Yeah, but in my opinion fighting climate change is the major task we face. And I don't give a fuck if some idiot thinks it's "hippie". They'd rather see the earth die than be a "hippie" morons. Judging by your statement you're on my "side" though.

I agree completely and yes, I am on your "side." Sacrifices need to be made now to prepare for the long haul.

We need to get together in groups to fight climate change in every way we can.

Note to Brick: Lol.

[FC-Thun-Fan]

At 7/2/09 05:08 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 7/2/09 03:38 PM, FC-Thun-Fan wrote:

At 7/2/09 03:18 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 7/2/09 03:15 PM, FC-Thun-Fan wrote:

Yeah, but in my opinion fighting climate change is the major task we face. And I don't give a fuck if some idiot thinks it's "hippie". They'd rather see the earth die than be a "hippie" morons. Judging by your statement you're on my "side" though.

I agree completely and yes, I am on your "side." Sacrifices need to be made now to prepare for the long haul.

Yes, sacrifices need to be made, but I am convinced that they are not as large and as many people try to make out. The main sacrifice is money, often environmentally friendly solutions aren't the cheapest. Let's take energy as an example: using solar or other alternative energies can often be more pricy than others, however, the more people using it the less it costs and if we invest money on developing the technology we can make it cheaper and more efficient.

I think America has to develop a good public transport system (from what I know it's not great) and reduce the need for cars.

We need to get together in groups to fight climate change in every way we can.

Note to Brick: Lol.

Note to Brick: I'm afraid I don't know what a "Fox News Style Broadcast" is.

[Brick-top]

At 7/2/09 05:38 PM, FC-Thun-Fan wrote:

Note to Brick: Lol.

Note to Brick: I'm afraid I don't know what a "Fox News Style Broadcast" is.

MultiCanimefan seems to have the right idea however it's so vague and Fox news is known for so much it could be anything.

Welcome to the world of creative thinking.

[SadisticMonkey]

Why? I mean I'd rather have them exist than not exist, but its a waste of money.

We should focus more on animlas like bees (srsly lol).

[VenomKing666]

At 7/1/09 05:45 PM, poxpower wrote: Saving the polar bears is worth exactly 0$

Here's the worst that will happen: your kids will read a book about animals and see "polar bears" as "extinct" and go "aw" for like 10 minutes. The end.

What if they learn to swim and evolve into polar sharkbears ? Now we will be fucked. And you will regret saying that.

[Blue-Bullet-Bill]

At 7/2/09 07:57 PM, VenomKing666 wrote:

At 7/1/09 05:45 PM, poxpower wrote: Saving the polar bears is worth exactly 0$

Here's the worst that will happen: your kids will read a book about animals and see "polar bears" as "extinct" and go "aw" for like 10 minutes. The end.

What if they learn to swim and evolve into polar sharkbears ? Now we will be fucked. And you will regret saying that.

Wow. You start with a serious post and end up with that.
You people crack me up ^_^

[FC-Thun-Fan]

At 7/2/09 07:57 PM, VenomKing666 wrote: What if they learn to swim and evolve into polar sharkbears ? Now we will be fucked. And you will regret saying that.

They're way ahead of you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSWa8DZEy 84

[AbstractVagabond]

At 7/2/09 07:57 PM, VenomKing666 wrote:

At 7/1/09 05:45 PM, poxpower wrote: Saving the polar bears is worth exactly 0$

Here's the worst that will happen: your kids will read a book about animals and see "polar bears" as "extinct" and go "aw" for like 10 minutes. The end.

What if they learn to swim and evolve into polar sharkbears ? Now we will be fucked. And you will regret saying that.

I'd be quick to attach laser beams to their heads and that's when the battle against Austin Powers will be won.

[Ericho]

At 7/1/09 05:45 PM, poxpower wrote: Saving the polar bears is worth exactly 0$

There's a lot more to saving the environment than just money, you know. It's about being good to the planet we were fortunate enough to be born on.

[mikailus]

Here's a better one: REDUCE NOT ONLY CARBON DIOXIDE PRODUCTION BUT THE AMOUNT OF IT THAT'S IN THE AIR USING OH... I DON'T KNOW... SCIENCE?!?!

[All-American-Badass]

The Polar Bears aren't really dying off as quick as we perceive them to be. This Article says that they're still doing well and their population has actually went up in the past 50 years.
The article doesn't mention this but the Arctic ice caps really only melt during the 6 weeks of summer up in the arctic, the freeze back during the rest of the year. Now i don't really consider myself any way whatsoever an environmentalist but there are way more simpler ways to help the environment that these radical changes environmentalist try to impose on us. Making your grass clippings into compost is a good place to start and replacing your light bulbs with florescent bulbs is a good way to reduce energy usage.

[Shinzura]

Wouldn't work. If you know anything about the environment, if the ice melts, the climate has changed. 1 degree of change in the ocean temperature can kill millions of fish. If there's enough heat to melt so much ice, then theres enough to damage the ecosystem.

How about we find a way to use heat as energy? Some energy is always released as heat, so if we could use our own waste from our energy sources, we'd have near 100% efficiency

Also, don't pull Obama into this exclusively. Everyone is responsible.