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At 7/1/09 12:20 AM, sorohanro wrote: Man that's weird.

I aint no ajax scripting expert, but I assume how he did this was to exploit the function which sends 5 to the server, and execute it across multiple proxies

EXPLOIT. illegal. perma ban. these words mean anything.


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who the fuck cares about the audio portal anyway?


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Most retarded question ever.

God damn trolls.

You will lol, and you will like it.

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Can haz permaban?

Seems fitting for the situation eh?

Damn haxxorz.


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THIS IS HOW HE DID IT.

I only know this because I love programming and computers... I have a theory of what he did. He probably created a bot that went to the javascript voting bar code assoiciated with that song. This means the bot does not go to the page and does not load the song.

The "bot" is just a simple code that tells the computer to...

Go to the song ID javascript bar
VOTE 5
Change IP
Repeat.

Does anyone agree this is what he may have done?

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I think the biggest slap in the face is that he got top five when a better song out there could of gotten it. If this is what NG is turning out to be its going to be a sad sad place.


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At 7/1/09 12:57 AM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: THIS IS HOW HE DID IT.
Does anyone agree this is what he may have done?

Thats possible, but he had a high rate of votes JUST as he posted it. Meaning one minute he had 5 the next he had about 50. This users gotten top five before with a song that i was curious how he did it. Well, now it makes sense. We know its an exploit just curious as to how he's doing it and if anything the NG big wigs need to know this can be done because next thing you know EVERYONE will be doing it. I contacted SBB who's contacted wade fulp. Something needs to be done about this.


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At 7/1/09 12:58 AM, wyldfyre1 wrote: I think the biggest slap in the face is that he got top five when a better song out there could of gotten it.

That's such a classic, that's why I never listen to what's on top ;)


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At 7/1/09 01:06 AM, sorohanro wrote: That's such a classic, that's why I never listen to what's on top ;)

Every so often you'll find yourself a good song. I try to have hope bro. I really do. The good news is it looks like somethings been done about this song. Its no longer up.


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At 7/1/09 01:10 AM, wyldfyre1 wrote:
At 7/1/09 01:06 AM, sorohanro wrote: That's such a classic, that's why I never listen to what's on top ;)
Every so often you'll find yourself a good song. I try to have hope bro. I really do. The good news is it looks like somethings been done about this song. Its no longer up.

Yeah... people have thought I hacked something since my voice acting has gotten #1 of the week twice, but that was because of all my friends on NG voted 5 because they thought it was hilarious. then hundreds 0 bomb it thinking its spam. but hey, my votes are waaayyyy lower than the listens lolololol.

I think the audio voting system should be changed drastically. People can easily bullshit their way to the top 5 by keeping the song hidden and getting friends to vote 5. Sadly, because only about 40 people vote, the score can be raised and lowered as pleased. So lets say there is a really nice trance song. Well Billy over here with a bass song votes 0 so he can get on the top. the trances song lowers .08 points and billy get weekly 5th instead of that trance song.

Its a shame really... oh well.

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LOL yeah, whats funny is most people that know me know i will NOT kick up dirt here on NG about anything unless i know for a fact that somethings fishy about that user or the situation. That song isn't a problem anymore what the big wigs choose to do with the user is up to them. The system works for sure if we as users assist. The mods only have so many eyes to see what they see and can only point out so much. So its always good to assist. Good work fella's.


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At 7/1/09 12:57 AM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: THIS IS HOW HE DID IT.

I only know this because I love programming and computers... I have a theory of what he did. He probably created a bot that went to the javascript voting bar code assoiciated with that song. This means the bot does not go to the page and does not load the song.

The "bot" is just a simple code that tells the computer to...

Go to the song ID javascript bar
VOTE 5
Change IP
Repeat.

Does anyone agree this is what he may have done?

no thats not possible.

Not only is it connected to your ip - it is also connected to your username.

It regardless logs you each time.

No the only way I see him doing this is hes somehow figured out how ot chain vote - but mechanically - so yes - through a kind of bot.

There is a big flaw in newgrounds in that your voting doesnt depend on how fast the CONTENT loads, as I had originally thought - but how fast the VOTING PANEL pops up. Pages that pop up white initially are the most vulnerable - with enough rapid clicks you could quickly outpace your amt of listens with votes.

As is stands I havent found a way since the redesign to see how this is possible as that voting panel loads very very fast.

also if this song had been on for a week its completely possible to have mote votes than listens because newgrounds only ever logs you listening to a song once - but it logs every time you vote on a song.

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I can't wait to see the day when you'll have more reviews than listens...
LOL
Can you imagine ? hundred of reviews in less than 3 minutes ?


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At 7/1/09 01:38 AM, sorohanro wrote: I can't wait to see the day when you'll have more reviews than listens...
LOL
Can you imagine ? hundred of reviews in less than 3 minutes ?

but what would they be populated with?

mass spam.. sheesh.. I already have more reviews than MOST people on this site have listens ;)

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no thats not possible.

Not only is it connected to your ip - it is also connected to your username.

It regardless logs you each time.

No the only way I see him doing this is hes somehow figured out how ot chain vote - but mechanically - so yes - through a kind of bot.

There is a big flaw in newgrounds in that your voting doesnt depend on how fast the CONTENT loads, as I had originally thought - but how fast the VOTING PANEL pops up. Pages that pop up white initially are the most vulnerable - with enough rapid clicks you could quickly outpace your amt of listens with votes.

As is stands I havent found a way since the redesign to see how this is possible as that voting panel loads very very fast.

also if this song had been on for a week its completely possible to have mote votes than listens because newgrounds only ever logs you listening to a song once - but it logs every time you vote on a song.

It is possible! You see, he logs off. Anyone can vote without an account, although it only counts as ONE vote and tracks the vote through IP instead of username AND IP. This means you can go onto 5 computers and vote 5. Changing the IP makes it a different computer each time, and so the system allows one vote each time the IP is changed.

Then lets say you figure out the code the voting bar for that specific submission. Basically it goes to the URL, clicks the 5, changes the IP through a simple IP .bat changer file, and then reconnects to that webpage and does it again.

So it..

goes to http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/xxxxxxxx

says the script for voting *what happens when 5 is pressed which probably looks different if a different code format is used*

<li id="v5">

*all that has to connect to a certain specific ID so he probably has more code than that. :/*

then after he does the FIVEN method he closes the page and runs a .BAT file saying *yes this Is the code he would use I am almost positive... the code above for the FIVEN thing was just an estimation*

@echo off
cls
echo ***Click the X to cancel*** ***BOT ONLY CANCELS IF AN ERROR OCCURS.. or err something lol***
pause
cls
ipconfig /flushdns
ipconfig /registerdns
ipconfig /setclassid
ipconfig /release
ipconfig /renew
cls

Ok so NOW the bot just disconnects the internet perhaps through another BAT file, and does it again. Now of course the above method wont work if you put in that coding, but I am just saying how it would look like and that it is very possible... sorry its confusing coding crap gah.

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At 7/1/09 01:45 AM, Chronamut wrote:
At 7/1/09 01:38 AM, sorohanro wrote: I can't wait to see the day when you'll have more reviews than listens...
LOL
Can you imagine ? hundred of reviews in less than 3 minutes ?
but what would they be populated with?

mass spam.. sheesh.. I already have more reviews than MOST people on this site have listens ;)

If you can do it, you can make a bot to do it. The bot would type in SPAM SPAM SPAM, or you could develop a very complicated AI engine.. be pointless. :\

And lol that post took like 50% of the code I wrote... THATS weird.

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stop giving people ideas man - and the fact you know all that does nothing to protect the admins coming after YOU if something goes screwy.

cuz theyll think its either you- or you gave a ton of people ideas as to how to scrw with newgrounds.

Id be careful what you mention in public on here.

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pictures can be altered!yeah but anyway that's cool, I should try that so I haz maximum exposhure! XD...


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At 7/1/09 01:38 AM, sorohanro wrote: I can't wait to see the day when you'll have more reviews than listens...
LOL
Can you imagine ? hundred of reviews in less than 3 minutes ?

That's possible though. You don't have to go to a song page to review it I don't believe.

A listen is only counted once the song is loaded correct? If so, he could just have a static IP that he can change easily and a browser that doesn't load the song. One of my old computers doesn't load songs anymore so I mean it's possible. That's my dumb theory. Script seems most likely still.


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He deleted his song :/

Also, the 'explanation' is in his newspost! :O

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At 7/1/09 04:51 AM, Kr1z wrote: He deleted his song :/

Also, the 'explanation' is in his newspost! :O

http://sodomykingz.newgrounds.com/

we got the images though ;)

At 7/1/09 02:30 AM, Chronamut wrote: stop giving people ideas man - and the fact you know all that does nothing to protect the admins coming after YOU if something goes screwy.

cuz theyll think its either you- or you gave a ton of people ideas as to how to scrw with newgrounds.

Id be careful what you mention in public on here.

LOL ill publicly admit I wish I had found that bot first so I could make an alt account named "ass captain music usa" using an anonomous email and 4 layers of proxies so I too could fag up the top 5 with an overclipped piece of shit.

top 5 cant get much worse anyways


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At 7/1/09 02:30 AM, Chronamut wrote: stop giving people ideas man - and the fact you know all that does nothing to protect the admins coming after YOU if something goes screwy.

I'll have to agree with you on this one. The last thing we need are more people screwing with the system.

At 7/1/09 05:56 AM, Bjra wrote: LOL ill publicly admit I wish I had found that bot first so I could make an alt account named "ass captain music usa" using an anonomous email and 4 layers of proxies so I too could fag up the top 5 with an overclipped piece of shit.

top 5 cant get much worse anyways

LMFAO!!! Ass captain music USA? What about @ss ram bandit?


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Erm.. guys that songs been deleted anyways>.>


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Actually, he is using proxies and it's not too hard to do.

What you do is hit your vote, but then hit Esc before the icons reload, refresh your proxy ID (such as using Tor or any other onion service) and repeat.


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At 7/1/09 01:45 AM, Chronamut wrote:
At 7/1/09 01:38 AM, sorohanro wrote: I can't wait to see the day when you'll have more reviews than listens...
LOL
Can you imagine ? hundred of reviews in less than 3 minutes ?
but what would they be populated with?

mass spam.. sheesh.. I already have more reviews than MOST people on this site have listens ;)

You are SO elite
pass some of those reviews my way

or maybe ill just work on my music and stay on this site for a few years and build a fan base

i only have 21 fans :(

but seriously. maybe it was some sort of glitch.. i dont see how leaving him reviews saying he cheated helps the situation.. just PM and audio mod and maybe they can get to the bottom of it..

WHERE IS OUR BELOVED RUCKLO?!?!?!


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At 7/1/09 12:15 PM, SymbolCymbal wrote: i only have 21 fans :(

Your not on my fav's? WAIT A SECOND! I'll have to change that!

but seriously. maybe it was some sort of glitch.. i dont see how leaving him reviews saying he cheated helps the situation.. just PM and audio mod and maybe they can get to the bottom of it..

We didn't just say "Hey you cheated" the actualy origin of this was "How did he do it?" or rather "how was this done?" It kinda turned in to what it is.

WHERE IS OUR BELOVED RUCKLO?!?!?!

Yeah, its about time this thread gets locked =). Nothing more to really talk about. Songs down its now just all of us BSING haha.


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I'm trying to contact Wade about it, as is B0UNC3, we need to get this looked at.
Also, as Rucklo said, he wasn't going to have time to moderate at all the next week or so.


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damn it feels good to be a whistle blower. I'm not useless anymore!


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At 7/1/09 01:08 PM, Bjra wrote: damn it feels good to be a whistle blower. I'm not useless anymore!

Get on MSN ya ass bandit!


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