My own religious debate

[NeonFlame126]

Jimmy is a good friend of mine, but we're debating our views of Catholicism of facebook. This is not the entire argument, but here is what I have of evidence. There were a lot of typos, but we were typing quickly.

Jimmy
wered hydrogen and oxygen come from?

Brian
after the atmosphere was formed by the gases, others combined, made water and other compunds, and TADA, rain
The volcanoes spewed ash, magma, and gases into the air

Jimmy
were volcano come from?

Brian
THE MAGMA AND ROCK EARTH WAS FORMED FROM
What do they teach you in science class?

Jimmy
okay were did earth come from?
and how was it placed in the exact rite place for it to support life?

Brian
Rocks and gas and dust that came together for billions of years
the same way any other planet got to its position

Jimmy
if it moved a fraction of an inch away from its normal pattern it would kill us all

Brian
the Earth wobbles as it moves through space

Jimmy
but how did it just "happen" to be rite?
but it wobbles the same

Brian
Take a deck of cards

Jimmy
okay

Brian
shuffle it, deal it out

Jimmy
ok

Brian
do that until you get a turn out of A,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,J,Q,K
how did that happen?
was it god?
was it magic?

Jimmy
was it chance?

Brian
or was it a mathematical probability that would have happened over a period of time no matter what?

Jimmy
maybe it was, thats alot of probability

Brian
and there's a lot of probability saying this wasn't the first time the Universe expanded

Brian
it's even more probable that we aren't the only "Earth" in the Universe

Jimmy
i agree
wait, did the sun come before or after the earth?

Brian
much, MUCH before

Jimmy
okay then, how long would u say that it took the earth to form from these probabilities?

Brian
billions of years for this planet

Jimmy
i say they were no robabilitie
probabilities'

Brian
and you would be incredibly wrong

Jimmy
but wait

Brian
THERE'S MORE!

Jimmy
sun has only been around 5 billion years (in the saying theres no god)

Brian
and?
this disproves me because?

Jimmy
this means that the earth couldnt have taken so long to be made
the galaxy is only like 10 billion years old

Brian
"he generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence."
The*

Jimmy
The Sun has been burning for about 5 billion (5,000,000,000) years. Our Galaxy is more than 10 billion years old, and new stars are forming all the time, so our Sun is neither young nor old, and is almost right in the middle of stellar ages.
Dr. Eric Christian

how would probability say that the sun was made in the center and then the earth was made in ritte place for life of billion of species
thats alot in 4.55 billion years

Brian
The Sun was surrounded by asteroids, dust, ice, etc.

Jimmy
and?

Brian
the various materials started to group together

Jimmy
and what

Brian
the more gravity the clusters had, the more they gained
planets wer fromed from those
were*

Jimmy
thats like saying if u took a large magnet and left silverware on it long enough it would make a car

Brian
not at all

Jimmy
how?

Brian
that's like saying if you put a lot of magnets in a huge tray on silverware you'd get large clusters of silverware around the magnet
of*

Jimmy
and/
?'

Brian
adn that's what happens
and*

Jimmy
were did the astroids come from

Brian
the debris that was in the solar system since the Big Bang

Jimmy
so ure telling me that there was a bang and it made complicated masses
that then because of probability made more complicated beings
that cant make complicated things by chance but need a creator

Brian
You're saying that everything needs a creator?

Jimmy
yes

Brian
then where did god come from

Jimmy
haha, the age old question
he just is, but he goes bak farther then ure theorys

Brian
no, the age old questions are "Why are we here?", "What is the purpose in life?", and "How did we get here?"

Jimmy
i have answers

Brian
They both go back to the moment of creation
As do I

Jimmy
why are we here - god needed something to love

Brian
To reproduce, to reproduce, and we walked
Why are we here? Evolution

Jimmy
what is the purpose in life - be with god and love him until fall, then it was same thing just added that everyone needed to help save otha people

Brian
How did we get here? Evolution/we walked

Jimmy
how did we get here - god

Brian
Purpose in life? To reproduce

Jimmy
and to go out into to all the world and preach the gospel
did u now that bible is the least contridicted book in the world?

Brian
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Jimmy
..

Brian
THAT'S THE MOST RETARDED STATEMENT I'VE EVER READ OR HEARD!

Jimmy
how?

Brian
Have you read the bible?

Jimmy
no duh

Brian
No
Really
Cover to cover

Jimmy
no

Brian
have you read it?
Exactly
you haven't read it

Jimmy
but i now poeple who have
like me dad
and mom

Brian
The Bible says
to kill people who don't obey the Lord
it also says

Jimmy
no
where

Brian
Thou shal not kill

Jimmy
tell me were it says to kill people
give me a scripture

Brian
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Jimmy
thats old testemant
the old law
god says christ redeemed us from the curse of the law

Brian
yeah

Jimmy
yeah

Brian
god says his law is perfect

Jimmy
where?
Brian
his law is Leviticus
Psalms
I'll look for it

Jimmy
k

Jimmy
after the new covenant god said we were redeemed from the law

Brian

Psalm 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect,
So god said his law is perfec
perfect*
but we should obey a different law

Jimmy
Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Brian
interesting
That says that Christ is a curse

Jimmy
he bacame sin so we could be free from it

Brian
even tough it says later that he died to free our sins?
so we're doule free?
double*

Jimmy
yes, like a sacrificial lamb
im saying christ became sin

Brian
if he died for our sins, why become sin? and vise versa

Jimmy
he bacame sin so we would not have to pay

Brian
THEN WHY DID HE DIE?
You just said that he saved us twice!

Jimmy
no

Brian
yeah

Jimmy
i typoed

Brian
he bacame sin so we would not have to pay

Jimmy

yes

Brian
he bacame sin so we could be free from it
THAT'S TWO

Jimmy
pay and free same thing

Brian
Dying + becoming sin = two saves

Jimmy
yes

Brian
He's one hell of a goalie

Jimmy
yep
and how this disproving what i say?

Brian
he saved us from sin

Jimmy
and sickness

Brian
so were saved (appearently)

Jimmy
which is result from sin
yep

Brian
so he had to do it again to save us from?
nothing
he already did it

Jimmy
i really dont get what ur saying

Brian
holy shite

Jimmy
he became sin and died on the cross, at the same time

Brian
- He became sin = saved us
- He died = saved us
- Same thing twice

Jimmy
his dying saved us cause he was sin

Brian
if he was sin, then how is he god?
god if perfect
is*

Jimmy
he took the sin upon himself

Brian
then he is not perfect

Jimmy
there are three bodies, the father son and holy spirit

Brian
and only 1 god

Jimmy
yes

Brian
who has multipersonality disorder

Jimmy
jesus was gods son

Brian
he is also god himself
if jesus is sin, then god is sin

Jimmy
no

Brian
yes
jesus = god

Jimmy
dude

Brian
jesus = sin
god = sin

Jimmy
ure part of ure dad right?

Brian
there are two of us

Jimmy
yes

Brian
there's 1 god

Jimmy
but ur part of him rite?

Brian
ues, I am also a different being entirely
yes*

Jimmy
u have taken traits from ure dad correct?

Brian
no shit

Jimmy
lol

Brian
we're still two people

Jimmy
yes

Brian
your god is 1 person
your god is his own father
who had premarital sex with an uderaged virgin
underaged*
who was married to another man
breaking his own laws
that he killed people for

Jimmy
but ure also one in some aspects
brb

Brian
I'm not my own father

[NeonFlame126]

Jimmy
wait wait wait
numba one he did not have sex as we know it
numba two, if she was underaged how was she married?

Brian
law of the land.
Mary was about 14
married by her parents

Jimmy
so she was not underaged

Brian
14 isn't underaged?
she was barely able to become preggers

Jimmy
in our standerde
standereds'

Brian
no
physically
she was still going through puberty
but was knocked up by the all eternal

Jimmy
wait
how u know she was 14?

Brian
she was just married
women married at about 14 in Isreal at that time

Jimmy
show me were says shes 14?

Brian
My CCD teacher (I know), theologins
people who studied the time period

Jimmy
ok then

Brian
show me where it says she wasn't
that's right

Jimmy
wait

Jimmy
i cant, but wait
it says that he gave her son same way he gave hannah son with her barren womb

Brian
what?

Jimmy
srry not hannah elizabeth

Brian
facepalm

Jimmy
lol
nothing is impossible with god

Brian
you need to fix the grammar of your quote

Jimmy
why?

Brian
he gave her son same way he gave hannah son with her barren womb

Jimmy
yes

Brian
the grammar sucks

Jimmy
oh, lol
srry ill do better from now on
:P:P

Brian
good

*here I went away to do something IRL, so he decided to end it*

Jimmy
No hard feelings right?

Brian
did it teach you anything?

Jimmy
Yehh
You're smarter that I thought!:P

Brian
what?
I meant like what did you really learn?

Jimmy
Haha, I got an earful and my brain hurts. Did i teach you anything?

Brian
you reaffirmed something

Jimmy
What?

Brian
teists cannot save themselves
theists*

Jimmy
What do you mean?

Brian
Even when they're given great examples and they're proved wrong, they can't escape the fantasy

Jimmy
Same with Atheists.

Brian
I was a Theist
I looked at the facts
You were raised a Theist
and stayed one en lue of them

Jimmy
Okay.

[Tancrisism]

This is almost impossible to read entirely. You should condense it and take out the uninteresting, obnoxious, and idiotic things. For instance:

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and so on.

[Digital-Terror]

At 6/28/09 07:57 PM, Tancrisism wrote: This is almost impossible to read entirely. You should condense it and take out the uninteresting, obnoxious, and idiotic things. For instance:

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and so on.

I just finished reading it.

I find these kinds of conversations typical of religious peoples. No matter what evidence you provide them with, they're either too arrogant to accept it, or can't understand it.

[NeonFlame126]

At 6/28/09 07:57 PM, Tancrisism wrote: This is almost impossible to read entirely. You should condense it and take out the uninteresting, obnoxious, and idiotic things. For instance:

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and so on.

The discussion in its entirety is very long, I'll admit, but most of the length is taken up be a couple words to a line and to take things out would take out the effect of seeing his counter-arguments and such.

[DrunkDemon]

You know, I agree with your point, but you didn't have to repeat the whole discussion to make it. You could have just summarized it. The length can affect how many people actually read the whole thing.

[Brick-top]

At 6/28/09 07:57 PM, Tancrisism wrote: This is almost impossible to read entirely.

I read it in it's entirety. It's not that hard to read when the sentences are only a few words long.

But to the topic. I've heard many arguments made by this Jimmy yet he claims to not have read the Bible. I'm starting to wonder whether Christians are actually learning about God and the Bible or just memorizing arguments made by others so when Mr. Criticism comes along they can automatically issue a reply and keep saying it no matter how many times it gets debunked.

[Tancrisism]

At 6/28/09 08:03 PM, NeonFlame126 wrote: The discussion in its entirety is very long, I'll admit, but most of the length is taken up be a couple words to a line and to take things out would take out the effect of seeing his counter-arguments and such.

Well, that aside, overall I agree with your points. Keep up the good fight without being too close-minded yourself.

[KillerCRS]

This is extremely similar to the ones I have with my religious friends.

[Blindlemon]

HMM. IF YOU NEED SOME SORT OF PSUH TOWARDS RELIGION CONSIDER THIS, YOU DONT KNOW IF THERES A GOD OR NOT BUT, WHY TEMPT IT?

[DrunkDemon]

At 6/28/09 09:41 PM, Blindlemon wrote: HMM. IF YOU NEED SOME SORT OF PSUH TOWARDS RELIGION CONSIDER THIS, YOU DONT KNOW IF THERES A GOD OR NOT BUT, WHY TEMPT IT?

Not knowing if religion is real or not doesn't actually make any argument toward religion, and suggesting that if god DOES exist that it has a bad temper isn't much of an encouragement to worship it.

[ImaSmartass2]

Does anybody here remember the story of fancy Dan? (or was it Dave?) I forgot who wrote it but it was a brilliant analogy of how religious people protect their standpoint by getting less and less realistic. ( I think it was Drakim)

[poxpower]

This is endless and just a rehash of the same easily-defeated arguments everyone here knows by now.
HEY LIKE HOW COME BLAH COINCIDENCES BLABLABAKF

Here's one for you: there's trillions of atoms in a glass of water, what are the chances that ALL OF THEM be EXACTLY where they are in the universe as I pour the glass? HOLY SHIT IT'S LIKE SO SMALL HOW CAN IT EVER HAPPEN? Miracle!