Is it true?

[Pippatchu]

so i went on youtube the other day and i was just checking out the features of ableton live as i get it with a midi keyboard im considering to buy. then i bumped into a tutorial which said was totally proffesional and stuff. i watched it, and all he did was dragged loops to the playlist and said. ye this sounds good. nah this ones better. and all the comments were mostly something like: Thanks man helped a lot. and then i commented: dude, loops aren't proffesional. there 100% unproffesional you didn't make something at all. i got 2 reactions: it is proffesional most people use loops. (???) i ignored him. then some guy was pissed off. he said: so basshunter one of the biggest techno names of this century (by the way i hate him)
is "unprofessional"
jean micheal jarre THE BIGGEST NAME IN TECHNO is unprofessional go read a fucking book

???? does basshunter use loops? and jean micheal jarre (don't know him) uses loops?
DO I HAVE TO READ A BOOK??? ARGH!

[Khuskan]

Probably, everyone does it, infact it's pretty common for people to make their own loops for the sake of getting the extravigant produced sound they want in their tracks.

The problem with the concept of loops is that people who havn't considered the benifits or aren't fond of a genre which does make use of samples is that it's some sort of childish drag-and-drop approach to music, when really it's a very complicated entirely different way of approaching the act of musiking. Just because you are using unoriginal material does not mean you cannot be origional with how you use it!

[jarrydn]

You can twist loops into your own creation.

[Kr1z]

And you can't rely on youtube reactions.

Using preset loops is unprofessional imo.

[TheMetallkyling]

yeah, basshunter seems kinda repeditive, i mean "now your gone" sounds IDENTICAL (!!!) to "boten anna" so i suspect a lot of re-used loops in those songs... (just ignore my remark if you who reads this is offended, im new here...)

[boney-man]

At 6/25/09 03:13 PM, Pippatchu wrote:

???? does basshunter use loops? and jean micheal jarre (don't know him) uses loops?
DO I HAVE TO READ A BOOK??? ARGH!

I doubt Basshunter uses loops, I heard he uses FL.
And how the hell do you not know Jean-Michel Jarre?? He DEFINITELY does NOT/did NOT use loops. He was a pioneer.

[Mrmilkcarton]

At 6/25/09 07:43 PM, boney-man wrote:

At 6/25/09 03:13 PM, Pippatchu wrote:

???? does basshunter use loops? and jean micheal jarre (don't know him) uses loops?
DO I HAVE TO READ A BOOK??? ARGH!

I doubt Basshunter uses loops, I heard he uses FL.
And how the hell do you not know Jean-Michel Jarre?? He DEFINITELY does NOT/did NOT use loops. He was a pioneer.

You do know FL stands for FruityLoops right?
No basshunter is not a pioneer.
Yes he probably sliced a loop or two everyone does.

[boney-man]

At 6/25/09 08:03 PM, Mrmilkcarton wrote: You do know FL stands for FruityLoops right?

Well yeah, but that was its old name... it certainly isn't like Garageband where you just throw pre-made loops together. FL isn't bad; I don't see why there's so much hate for it.

No basshunter is not a pioneer.

I was referring to Jean-Michel Jarre as a pioneer. I know Basshunter isn't a pioneer.

Yes he probably sliced a loop or two everyone does.

There's nothing wrong with slicing up loops, but I think he was asking if they used loops like Garageband style.

[TMM43]

Sampling. Nuff said with that.

Loops are used constantly. Everything has pretty much been made for the techno and trance genres. MEANING there really isn't too much "NEW" material out there. So basically everything is a loop.

Like loops or not, they can be professional, depending on how you use them.

[boney-man]

TMM43! I haven't talked to you in a while!

[Mystery-Moon-Pie-Aud]

Youtube is infested with common people who have no idea how hard it really is to make good music. So when they see a guy putting preset loops into a music program, they think they are a music god (although some presets aren't bad). Just ignore them man, you should know that.

[AlmightyJeebus]

Like it or not, loops are the lazy bastard's way out and just about everybody nowadays is a lazy bastard.
Do the math.

[Steven-Polley]

At 6/26/09 12:44 AM, AlmightyJeebus wrote: Like it or not, loops are the lazy bastard's way out and just about everybody nowadays is a lazy bastard.
Do the math.

What math? I'm lazy.

[Psy-nigma]

Sadly many popular artists use loopz in the programs. It is the real artists you must search for who make those loopz and appreciate them. one reason why I am not a fan of DJ's like paul oakenfold because they have record labels that allow them to have rights to use clips from other artists to make their own songs.

After an attack on myspace for using a copyright free sample 4 years ago. I have stayed away and havn't used a loop or sample since.

[Pippatchu]

So your saying using loops is ok? I don't get it all the time people shouting about loops is bad and stuff. know i mention it and people think it's alright. srs peepl. this means whole audio portal is unproffesional except me. muhahahahahahaa.
however i think those superfast drum and bass drumloops are ok to use, but not proffesional.
or how the heck you write proffesional.

[FairSquare]

I think it isn't really clear what the OP means with ''loops''.
Do you mean premade loops that he just throws on top off eachother to make music or do you mean that he made the loops himself and THEN throws it on top off eachother?

[TMM43]

Now that I've read the OP's second post, it's clear to me that he's new to audio.

We're going to in depth with the whole "Are loops good or bad?" thing.

LOOPS, like the one's that come standard in FL, ARE NOT ok to use and ARE NOT professional enough to make it big.

LOOPS YOU MAKE, from scratch or ones that are sliced, ARE ok to use and ARE professional enough to make it big.

So using presets in songs does not sound professional, if used incorrectly.

[Steven-Polley]

At 6/26/09 04:18 AM, Psy-nigma wrote: Sadly many popular artists use loopz in the programs. It is the real artists you must search for who make those loopz and appreciate them. one reason why I am not a fan of DJ's like paul oakenfold because they have record labels that allow them to have rights to use clips from other artists to make their own songs.

You know, DirtyCircuits use of Deadmau5's loop is still the most recent, serious, loop outbreak. Using loops isn't that bad, or wrong at all. Jay-Z used loops from garageband in his song Umbrella, but he used them creatively, sliced it up etc..

[Chronamut]

you know, technically I could create a ten second loop - put it in a place where lots of people might use it - copyright it - and then make boatloads of cash just suing everyone that uses it.

I'd prolly make more money that way than if I ever made a song myself with the very same loop - sad how the world works isn't it?

[Rawmin]

At 6/26/09 03:04 PM, Chronamut wrote: you know, technically I could create a ten second loop - put it in a place where lots of people might use it - copyright it - and then make boatloads of cash just suing everyone that uses it.

I'd prolly make more money that way than if I ever made a song myself with the very same loop - sad how the world works isn't it?

What a marvelous idea you have given me.
Perhaps you should copyright that idea, so when I use it, you can make all the money off me that I made from using your idea.

Or maybe this has gone on much too far...

[HardcoreCap]

you're watching a video about ableton live. of course there's going to be mention of loops! albeton live relies on loops to make it a live performance. ableton live allows an artist to chop their tracks into loops. not of the whole depth of the track itself, but loops of each individual instrument. what the artist then does is categorize these loops for easy reference and playback. when the artist goes to a gig to play LIVE they have the ability to mix and match, record, effect, mix down and twist their loops on the fly which creates new and interesting versions and mashups of their own work. it's an absolutely wonderful tool for artists who just don't want to be the average dj and actually want to showcase their sound the way it was to be intended. ableton does have a darkside though when producers steal loops to produce they're own "work"