American educational system

[Non-existant12]

Personal freedom is a beautiful thing that most Americans either don't understand or don't know how we could ever obtain it. The notion of freedom has been so twisted by our educational system and government. How can you ever truly understand and learn about democracy and freedom if the system you learn in is a fascist system? With no personal privacy or rights for their students. You can't unless you pursue it in your own time. Many children don't have either the means or the mentor to learn about other ways of life. They are only fed the same ideas over and over. That isn't teaching. It's brainwashing.

[CaptainChip]

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

No wait, no it's not.

Teacher's aren't teaching 'ways of life', they teach facts and information.

[OddlyPoetic]

And just what, dare i ask, is facist about it?

Or is it too much to ask for more then one poorly reasoned thesis?

[aninjaman]

How was my biology class fascist? Or what about my Geometry class? How can you incorporate fascism into those?
Gives examples to back up your claims.

[ReiperX]

At 6/18/09 01:40 PM, aninjaman wrote: How was my biology class fascist? Or what about my Geometry class? How can you incorporate fascism into those?
Gives examples to back up your claims.

More than likely he has no idea what Fascism is, and he knows it is a negative word. So he decided to throw it in to make himself look better and the education system look worse.

Although if he knows what it is, I'd love to see the similarities.

[Idiot-Finder]

At 6/18/09 12:37 PM, Non-existant12 wrote: Idiotic rant

See kids, this is why you should stay in school or you'll end up just like this poor fellow.

[djdoorman]

unfortunatly , i have to agree. children today are tought nothing about personal freedon and anything other than what they already believe. thats why in school today children of alternate religions and lifestyles are made fun of. mostly due to the fact that the people making fun of everyone else dont bother to understand anything different than what they were taught at a very young age and believe to be the only way of life

[Tancrisism]

Strange, I recall being taught about personal freedoms in my Government and American History classes. I went to schools in 3 different states and about 5 or 6 different towns, so I get the feeling that this might be true in more than one place.

[Jon-86]

Maybe y'all should have field trips to N.Korea or something or a similar country to get perspective on the freedom we all enjoy? Maybe that's what the OP wants to see happen.

[kraor024]

Odd I can remember learning about our democratic republic system in civics.
And personal freedom can't be taught as personal freedom means something different to each individual.

[Jizzlebang]

This is a fucking joke.

There are several flaws in the American educational system, just as any other educational system anywhere; but the idea of "brainwashing" is hardly the main concern. I can't help but assume you're suggesting some reform that would allow kids to choose the contents of their education. They're the students though, and hardly hold any legitimate reason or authority to dictate what should or should not be in the curriculum.
Not above the teachers in any case.

As far as University, College and perhaps the latter years of high school, that's something else. But nonetheless, you can't expect an entire year of high school students to grasp that responsiblity.

[fahrenheit]

At 6/18/09 12:37 PM, Non-existant12 wrote: Personal freedom is a beautiful thing that most Americans either don't understand or don't know how we could ever obtain it.

lol, thats probably the most retarded thing i've heard all week

[Samuel-HALL]

At 6/18/09 12:37 PM, Non-existant12 wrote: Personal freedom is a beautiful thing that most Americans either don't understand or don't know how we could ever obtain it. The notion of freedom has been so twisted by our educational system and government. How can you ever truly understand and learn about democracy and freedom if the system you learn in is a fascist system? With no personal privacy or rights for their students. You can't unless you pursue it in your own time. Many children don't have either the means or the mentor to learn about other ways of life. They are only fed the same ideas over and over. That isn't teaching. It's brainwashing.

I would agree, but for different reason (or rather, more 'specific' reasons) than you. They don't teach real history. I mean, they teach you things that happened. They teach them, though, in this altruistic Robin Hood kind of mediocrity, though. Downplayed is the framing of the constitution. Downplayed is the reasons behind the civil war. Cast aside are the victories of mandating that our government relinquish their control. Ever so fucking briefly, they mention the industrial revolution, and the railroad. And when they do mention the railroad - as when they mention the industrial revolution - they never fail to, in the next breath, remind you that it was slavery and explotaition that built those things. Triumphated, though, is Christopher Columbus - a state paid pirate and slaver that brought death and destruction to every little shithole culture her found. Expounded is the murdering of indians, sure. Every notch in the belt of 'anti-constitution thinking' is raved as a step in the best interest of America.
Everything's fine. Go back to bed. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Promise.

[Achilles2]

At 6/18/09 01:04 PM, CaptainChip wrote: Teacher's aren't teaching 'ways of life', they teach facts and information.

Not anymore. Thanks to the No Child Left Behind Act, they teach standardized tests.

[Freedomblades]

Well. For starters if Americas education system is so bad lets hear about yours? Cuz i can imagine it comes to about the same thing. People are taught so they can learn. Not to be brainwashed. Really i dont understand this. I know all about what i can do and what i want to do.

Are you trying to start some sorta retard rebellion?

[Silverchaos]

Sounds to me like someone just plain hates school...for no reason!

[HecticCircleCrap]

At 6/18/09 12:37 PM, Non-existant12 wrote: Personal freedom is a beautiful thing that most Americans either don't understand or don't know how we could ever obtain it. The notion of freedom has been so twisted by our educational system and government. How can you ever truly understand and learn about democracy and freedom if the system you learn in is a fascist system? With no personal privacy or rights for their students. You can't unless you pursue it in your own time. Many children don't have either the means or the mentor to learn about other ways of life. They are only fed the same ideas over and over. That isn't teaching. It's brainwashing.

Are you retarded? You learn about the ways of life yourself, otherwise you're in a fascist community. Also, do you even know what fascism means? "Being fed the same things over and over" Isn't brainwashing, it's redundancy. ZOMG MY TEACHER FAIL'D ME N SCIUNCE AND ENLISH SO 1 SAI THEY FASHIONOSHITS

[LenardNotLenny]

At 6/18/09 12:37 PM, Non-existant12 wrote: blah blah blah blah I don't like authority blah blah blah blah

Rights have to be limited when a system (which is acting as your guardian) is handling so many individuals (which are also minors) and also having to educate them.

Just because you can't walk out whenever you feel like doesn't make it a fascist system.

[Tancrisism]

At 6/21/09 08:20 PM, HecticCircleCrap wrote: "Being fed the same things over and over" Isn't brainwashing, it's redundancy.

This isn't necessarily true. One of the key aspects to brainwashing is repetition.

[SolInvictus]

At 6/21/09 11:12 PM, Tancrisism wrote:

At 6/21/09 08:20 PM, HecticCircleCrap wrote: "Being fed the same things over and over" Isn't brainwashing, it's redundancy.

This isn't necessarily true. One of the key aspects to brainwashing is repetition.

its also one of the key aspects of learning. tricky situation i guess.

[HecticCircleCrap]

At 6/21/09 11:47 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 6/21/09 11:12 PM, Tancrisism wrote: This isn't necessarily true. One of the key aspects to brainwashing is repetition.

its also one of the key aspects of learning. tricky situation i guess.

Both of you are right. A brainwashing example is religion, and a learning example is anything you were taught in a public school.

[Tancrisism]

At 6/22/09 12:07 AM, HecticCircleCrap wrote: Both of you are right. A brainwashing example is religion, and a learning example is anything you were taught in a public school.

I wouldn't say that all public schools are innocent though. In the US at least, unless you take higher level classes, they generally glorify the US far more than is due.

[HecticCircleCrap]

At 6/22/09 12:00 PM, Tancrisism wrote: I wouldn't say that all public schools are innocent though. In the US at least, unless you take higher level classes, they generally glorify the US far more than is due.

You're right. Teachers are stuck in the world of fiction in that they think America won WWII (LOLZ WE SET THEM UP DA BOMB SO WE WINZ LOL), and my 5th grade Social Studies teacher revealed to us how explicit the Trail of Tears and pre-Civil War was.

[Tancrisism]

At 6/22/09 12:05 PM, HecticCircleCrap wrote:

At 6/22/09 12:00 PM, Tancrisism wrote: I wouldn't say that all public schools are innocent though. In the US at least, unless you take higher level classes, they generally glorify the US far more than is due.

You're right. Teachers are stuck in the world of fiction in that they think America won WWII (LOLZ WE SET THEM UP DA BOMB SO WE WINZ LOL), and my 5th grade Social Studies teacher revealed to us how explicit the Trail of Tears and pre-Civil War was.

Being intentionally dense is always awesome.

Until I took an AP history class, they made the dropping of the atomic bombs out to be the only option, throughout the cold war era they did not mention anything about all of the nasty invasions we did and democratic governments we overthrew... In World War II they do not mention some Allied war crimes committed, such as that of the firebombing of Dresden. For the Mexican-American War, they merely say it happened and we won, they do not display adequately how there was very little cause except the US' belligerence.

I could go on.

[HecticCircleCrap]

At 6/22/09 12:30 PM, Tancrisism wrote: I could go on.

Gee, I wonder why America thinks they win all the wars...

[Tancrisism]

At 6/22/09 01:31 PM, HecticCircleCrap wrote: Gee, I wonder why America thinks they win all the wars...

Continue..? I don't see the connection.

[HecticCircleCrap]

At 6/22/09 01:56 PM, Tancrisism wrote: Continue..? I don't see the connection.

I was taught this by my 8th grade American History Teacher:
Revolutionary War: Won.
Every Native American War Ever: Won
War of 1812: Won
French-Indian War: Won
Fight For Texas: Won
Conservatives v. Liberals (Or, the Civil War): North Won
World War 1 & 2: Won
Iraqi War (AKA The Nihilist's War): We totally won that, we are now running it...
More examples I don't feel like listing: WONWONWONWONLOLZ