Why the hate against the AmenBreak?

[YouriX]

I have made recently 3 songs that contain the AmenBreak and by evrey 3 of them i feel this hate against my use of this break loop. Yes!! i am fully aware of the overuse of this loop. Still the most known artists who make money use the same breakloops over and over agian *Pendelum* And i havent met anyone who decided to stop buying there album because of that.

Is not like i just drop the loop in the song. I slice them pitch them and do some mixing on them. And also why the hate against the Cebera saw? I do some adjutments to it. And do some bass modding.
What happend to just enjoying the song people? If your curious to my song just click on my Elite user sig.

I love the Amen break and i love using it in my songs! I just want to know is there anyone else out there who still love the loop?

[MH16]

Why do you care about what other people think about your songs so much?

[xKore]

At 6/17/09 08:47 AM, YouriX wrote: I have made recently 3 songs that contain the AmenBreak and by evrey 3 of them i feel this hate against my use of this break loop. Yes!! i am fully aware of the overuse of this loop. Still the most known artists who make money use the same breakloops over and over agian *Pendelum* And i havent met anyone who decided to stop buying there album because of that.

The era of using the amen break raw is over, nowadays most producers will use it as a background loop to 'glue' their own original break along with countless other layers. So yeah, don't use it raw, dats fer noobs. (Point me to the song where pendy used an amen raw pls)

Is not like i just drop the loop in the song. I slice them pitch them and do some mixing on them. And also why the hate against the Cebera saw? I do some adjutments to it. And do some bass modding.

If you can still call it 'the Cerbera saw' then your not making it your own enough.

What happend to just enjoying the song people? If your curious to my song just click on my Elite user sig.

There needs to be some kind of quality control, otherwise then we can all become lazy.

I love the Amen break and i love using it in my songs! I just want to know is there anyone else out there who still love the loop?

many a person did in the 90s, now its kinda gone out of fashion i think, kinda like acid, they come and go, and come again, and go etc.

[YouriX]

The era of using the amen break raw is over, nowadays most producers will use it as a background
loop to 'glue' their own original break along with countless other layers. So yeah, don't use it raw,
dats fer noobs.

I guess so its still just bugs me a bit. Also i LOL at the "dats for noobs"

(Point me to the song where pendy used an amen raw pls)

Well i what ment to say is that they use the same drum beat trhu there song there is like the this standard pattren they use.

Is not like i just drop the loop in the song. I slice them pitch them and do some mixing on them. And also why the hate against the Cebera saw? I do some adjutments to it. And do some bass modding.

There needs to be some kind of quality control, otherwise then we can all become lazy.

I dont think so. People will still want to layer there loops and junk. But that evrey now then it would be fun to use the AmenBreak in its raw form.

many a person did in the 90s, now its kinda gone out of fashion i think, kinda like acid, they come and go, and come again, and go etc.

True true, maybe its time for the Amen Break to return?

Also to MH16
Well when you upload a song where 1000 of people might listen to it. Dont you secretly/openly want to know what people think about your song? If i didnt want other people to listen to my song. i wouldnt even consider uploading it on NG. Some might say will use NG as a back-up system well.. There are external-USB drives or CDs on wich you can back-up your music. So yes! We all want to know what goes in a mind of a person when they listen to the song. So we do care what people think about our song!

[Nav]

At 6/17/09 09:16 AM, YouriX wrote: Well i what ment to say is that they use the same drum beat trhu there song there is like the this standard pattren they use.

The pattern doesn't matter. Sure, it's overused, but sure, it works. However, everyone knows the sound of the amen.

Personally, when used RIGHT, I LOVE the amen break! It can have SO MUCH ENERGY... It's just unreal, when used correctly of course. However, it's been in use since the mid 80s in much the same ways as today, so it's getting a bit old. I use it as a light layer to add a bit more character into a breakbeat, but NEVER on it's own.

My Favorite Amen Tune Of All Time

Listen to it all the way through and you will understand.

[MH16]

At 6/17/09 09:16 AM, YouriX wrote:

Also to MH16
Well when you upload a song where 1000 of people might listen to it. Dont you secretly/openly want to know what people think about your song? If i didnt want other people to listen to my song. i wouldnt even consider uploading it on NG. Some might say will use NG as a back-up system well.. There are external-USB drives or CDs on wich you can back-up your music. So yes! We all want to know what goes in a mind of a person when they listen to the song. So we do care what people think about our song!

I don't need to know what people think about my songs, i just want to know how to get better.
I mean, when people say they like my song it's ok, but it isn't going to help improve my music or that song in particular.
Also, you are the person that makes the song, so if you want to use the amen break then use it.

[YouriX]

At 6/17/09 09:25 AM, Nav wrote:

At 6/17/09 09:16 AM, YouriX wrote: Well i what ment to say is that they use the same drum beat trhu there song there is like the this standard pattren they use.

The pattern doesn't matter. Sure, it's overused, but sure, it works. However, everyone knows the sound of the amen.

Personally, when used RIGHT, I LOVE the amen break! It can have SO MUCH ENERGY... It's just unreal, when used correctly of course. However, it's been in use since the mid 80s in much the same ways as today, so it's getting a bit old. I use it as a light layer to add a bit more character into a breakbeat, but NEVER on it's own.

My Favorite Amen Tune Of All Time

Listen to it all the way through and you will understand.

Yeah i see where your going with this!! It sounds really sick! I think its my fav. Amen tune also now ;)
But dont get me wrong!! I'll sure do some layering on my newst tracks! Trying new things would be awsome ofcourse. But reading now i see that the loop excisited like in the 80's proofs to me that the amen is overused! Well i didnt know this since i am new to making DnB.

[YouriX]

At 6/17/09 09:36 AM, MH16 wrote: Also, you are the person that makes the song, so if you want to use the amen break then use it.

F**k yeah! im gonna use it! Thanks for the heads up ;)

[xKore]

At 6/17/09 09:39 AM, YouriX wrote: But reading now i see that the loop excisited like in the 80's proofs to me that the amen is overused! Well i didnt know this since i am new to making DnB.

heres a good little documentry on the amen.

[YouriX]

At 6/17/09 09:49 AM, xKore wrote:

At 6/17/09 09:39 AM, YouriX wrote: But reading now i see that the loop excisited like in the 80's proofs to me that the amen is overused! Well i didnt know this since i am new to making DnB.

heres a good little documentry on the amen.

Wow there is so much history in the Amen break it made me actually speachless.....
I never knew that the amenbreak was so overused that they used to use it even in hiphop or commercials! Its almost funny. That the music we know now is based from this one loop that the amen brothers made. I myself cant discribe the euphoria of the amen break. Even thou i use it alot this is nice stuff man.

[la-yinn]

What I meant to say in my last review on your song was that you used the amen break, modified or not, throughout almost every song I heard of yours. I wasn't talking down on the use of amen, but on the lack of variety. ;p

Also, for Cerbera Saw, same goes. I pick the Cerbera saw about every time I start a DnB song, make my reeces over it etc but I really do my best to alter it to make it sound unrecognizable. That's what I think you should do too.

These were just 2 tips to get you out of your writer's block, because you said all your songs were sounding the same. It wasn't any 'hate', just helpful advice. :-)

[YouriX]

At 6/17/09 10:39 AM, la-yinn wrote: Advices and such

No is not just your review that made me make this thread but there where others too! I did try to make more variety in the drums maybe i failed. Yes i do have sometimes writersblock because all my songs almost sound the same. But sometimes i get bored and do it anyways!

And dont worry i know you where trying to help ;)

[pr0ded]

he wants you to use a crappy fl studio loop instead

[la-yinn]

At 6/17/09 01:14 PM, pr0ded wrote: he wants you to use a crappy fl studio loop instead

Where the hell did I state anything remotely close to that?

[pr0ded]

*glug glug* who knows!
we could just take your review and replace amen with db_drillnb and call that a case of 'writers block' too, and a clipping bass to boot

[Slipstreamer]

It's for people who can't make their own samples.

aka noobs

@MH, no shit he cares about what other people think of his songs, thats why he puts them on websites.

durrr

[Nav]

At 6/17/09 04:51 PM, Slipstreamer wrote: It's for people who can't make their own samples.

aka noobs

No, it's not. You're wrong.

[YouriX]

Woow hey guys break up now, no flaming here.

This thread was made to clear my confusion about the use of the Amen Break. And i can make my own breakbeat if i want to see: The Savior

So no need to be hostile please. You can still disscuse about the use of it or the history if you want ;)

[pr0ded]

shit son
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzmFgeAB DI&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg5dOCCvB Ds&feature=channel_page&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUTTpTml SE&fmt=18

guess i need a field recoder to make my own samples?

[la-yinn]

At 6/17/09 04:51 PM, pr0ded wrote: *glug glug* who knows!
we could just take your review and replace amen with db_drillnb and call that a case of 'writers block' too, and a clipping bass to boot

Taking an amen break is something different than slicing up a loop, making a lot of different patterns with it, not to mention throwing in individual samples 'to boot'.

[pr0ded]

At 6/17/09 05:35 PM, la-yinn wrote:

Taking an amen break is something different than slicing up a loop, making a lot of different patterns with it, not to mention throwing in individual samples 'to boot'.

which you can apply to the amen break, and it seems something you dont do

[LaForge]

It used to sound original and new, but alas like everything else, time has weathered it. Now it sounds generic and stupid.

Go figure.

[la-yinn]

At 6/17/09 05:38 PM, pr0ded wrote:

At 6/17/09 05:35 PM, la-yinn wrote:

Taking an amen break is something different than slicing up a loop, making a lot of different patterns with it, not to mention throwing in individual samples 'to boot'.

which you can apply to the amen break, and it seems something you dont do

Did you even listen past the first 20 seconds?

I tried to in your latest submission, but by that time it had almost finished looping. For the second time.

I will gladly take this to PM, if anybody is bothered with it. But whenever I write a review, I'd rather not be pointed out on hypocrisy that isn't there by a hypocrite themselves.

[pr0ded]

At 6/17/09 05:55 PM, la-yinn wrote:
I will gladly take this to PM, if anybody is bothered with it. But whenever I write a review, I'd rather not be pointed out on hypocrisy that isn't there by a hypocrite themselves.

its his music not mine, his has all that stuff, it even has pitched up and pitched down slices, unlike yours

your bass clips, and overall poorly produced, where is the clarity, i know, there is none, thats what happens when sober people attemt music

[pr0ded]

and either way, trackers are better for breakbeat music mr db_drillnb

[la-yinn]

At 6/17/09 06:01 PM, pr0ded wrote:

At 6/17/09 05:55 PM, la-yinn wrote:
I will gladly take this to PM, if anybody is bothered with it. But whenever I write a review, I'd rather not be pointed out on hypocrisy that isn't there by a hypocrite themselves.

its his music not mine, his has all that stuff, it even has pitched up and pitched down slices, unlike yours

your bass clips, and overall poorly produced, where is the clarity, i know, there is none, thats what happens when sober people attemt music

I've had it sent to multiple people to check for clipping. None of them said it did. Get better headphones, mister FL Demo Standard hihat and claps. (See how that hypocrite part comes into play here?)

Where is the clarity in your tracks?

[pr0ded]

i dont use fl studio, those are not default samples
all it takes is looking at the waveform and a little extra

dont talk about clarity when your perception is poor

[Nav]

Maybe he just mixes loudly? =\ I know that when I do some heavy limiting during the master it can appear as though it's clipping.

[Phoog]

1: I LOVE the sound of the amen break. It's sick. Especially when you uber chop it up. I listened to your song and it sound sick.

2: Cerbera Saw does sound shit though. It's not even hard to make a nice reese sound, and it'll make you sound more original too.

3: @ MH16: What? You just contradicted yourself. Having people telling you how to improve your music IS caring what people think about it. And some people do it for more than just art, so they need to care what people think about it.
You're one of them cult people who is all "music is art I don't make it for anyone but myself" bollocks. If that was so, every musician would be a poor cunt.

[Lashmush]

At 6/17/09 06:27 PM, pr0ded wrote: i dont use fl studio, those are not default samples
all it takes is looking at the waveform and a little extra

dont talk about clarity when your perception is poor

First off, if you're only going to point out weaknesses in peoples creations without supplying proper constructive criticism, try a new approach: Shutting the fuck up.

Second, this thread has NOTHING to do with La-Yinn's work or yours. Yourix asked a question concering HIS use of the "amen break" and so far seems to be getting a decent level of feedback on the subject. Don't go derailing that with your issues.

Third, his shit isn't clipping. Mixing is as dynamic as composition and even if it doesn't hold up to your "standards", I suggest you follow my first advice about it. The forum is for helping out before bashing other peoples methods.

Anyway, to Yourix: I think you should start an "amen break" collab or some shit and get it out of your system. You should actually start constructing your own breakbeats. I know, its more composition work, but it pays off in the end, since you can mix every element of the beat to your liking.