Apple should be boycotted

[Conspiracy3]

I can list numerous reason that they deserve a boycott.

1. They overprice shitty hardware.
2. They created updates to destroy jailbroken iphones
3. They threatened to sue palm over using an interface in the pre that apple didn't even invent
4. Stealing java-enabled widgets such as Konfabulator
5. Stabbing Microsoft in the back after Microsoft gave apple money preventing apple from becoming bankrupt
6. Preventing itunes songs from being transferred to non-apple mp3 players
7. Making the mac OS in compatible with a lot of non-apple hardware to force people to buy apple's shitty quality over priced hardware
8. Mac OS incompatibility with software in general.
9. Using automatic updates to quicktime and itunes as a way to spread safari
10. Copying software made by the Xerox corporation in their computers back in the 80s
11. Soldering ipod batteries to the motherboard to prevent customers from repairing the ipods when the batteries wear out over years of use as a way to force them to buy a new one

I could go on, but 11 reasons is enough for now.

[elace]

im boycoting Hallmark cuase they support gay marriage

even though i brought a card from there yesterday

i fail at boycotted

.....

[Dark-Phire]

How about just not buying their products?

[HungarianSupermarket]

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

[Dropkicked]

At 6/15/09 10:17 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote: I can list numerous reason that they deserve a boycott.

You're just mad you can't afford any of it.

[Conspiracy3]

At 6/15/09 10:19 AM, Dark-Phire wrote: How about just not buying their products?

At 6/15/09 10:20 AM, HungarianSupermarket wrote: If you don't like it, don't buy it.

That's what a boycott is. The definition of a boycott is simply to stop buying the shit.

[Alpharius120]

But... But... my mom transfers iTunes to her non apple mp3 player all the time. :O

[Conspiracy3]

At 6/15/09 10:21 AM, Alpharius120 wrote: But... But... my mom transfers iTunes to her non apple mp3 player all the time. :O

They don't tie up all of their music with DRM, just most of it.

Also, link

[Crumption]

I really dont care about any of those things. As long as the os is better than windows, im not boycotting them.

[ClockWorkViking]

At 6/15/09 10:19 AM, Dark-Phire wrote: How about just not buying their products?

You mean...Like a boycott??

[Conspiracy3]

At 6/15/09 10:20 AM, Dropkicked wrote:
You're just mad you can't afford any of it.

1. Cost isn't all that I talked about
2. I don't mind machines being expensive if they have better specs. I can build three windows machines with better hardware specs then a mac at a lower price.

[Crumption]

At 6/15/09 10:28 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote:

At 6/15/09 10:20 AM, Dropkicked wrote:
You're just mad you can't afford any of it.

1. Cost isn't all that I talked about
2. I don't mind machines being expensive if they have better specs. I can build three windows machines with better hardware specs then a mac at a lower price.

You could just install macintosh on a windows computer. (illegally, though)

[HungarianSupermarket]

At 6/15/09 10:21 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote:

At 6/15/09 10:20 AM, HungarianSupermarket wrote: If you don't like it, don't buy it.

That's what a boycott is. The definition of a boycott is simply to stop buying the shit.

Yes. But I didn't make a thread today about how I don't buy cheap japanese vibrators to stick in my ass.

[JKMonkey]

I already can't afford Apple crap, so I guess I'm already boycotting it

[Conspiracy3]

At 6/15/09 10:51 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote:

At 6/15/09 10:30 AM, Crumption wrote:

You could just install macintosh on a windows computer. (illegally, though)

That type of DRM stuff is exactly what I'm talking about. They only let you use their OS on their hardware. And to think most mac fanboys talk about DRM when ever they criticize Microsoft. Mac users are just complete hypocrites. Microsoft lets you install their OS on any hardware.

At 6/15/09 10:31 AM, HungarianSupermarket wrote:

Yes. But I didn't make a thread today about how I don't buy cheap japanese vibrators to stick in my ass.

Boycotts only work when a lot of people do it. If one person doesn't buy their shit it doesn't affect their bottom line very much. Trying to get other people to stop buying their stuff as well is the only way to make a real impact.

At 6/15/09 10:36 AM, Victory wrote:

At 6/15/09 10:28 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote:

I can build three windows machines

Where's the boycott of Microsoft, who are world-renowned for their failure-high machines and selfish business tactics?

Look, I don't like microsoft either, but as bad as their marketing tactics are, their marketing tactics aren't nearly as bad as apple's. Apple stabbed microsoft in the back when the only reason apple even exists is because Microsoft donated money to it. Apple criticizes microsoft for DRM violations that Apple does too. The only OS whose creators don't have blood on their hands and skeletons in their closets is Linux, but linux has an even worse problem. Their OS sucks. Linux is riddled with compatibility issues. However, between Microsoft and Apple, Microsoft is the lesser of the two evils.

[LocoJoe]

its outrageous look at this commercial for their new i-fuck condoms i demand order this is obscene NSFW

sarcasm

[SymbolCymbal]

im not saying that you dont know what your talking about at all but i would like to know where you are getting your facts.

[Conspiracy3]

At 6/15/09 11:11 AM, SymbolCymbal wrote: im not saying that you dont know what your talking about at all but i would like to know where you are getting your facts.

Can you be more specific about which facts you are calling to question? I would rather not give fifty links when I only need to give five.

[Snake-Arsenic]

At 6/15/09 10:17 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote: I can list numerous reason that they deserve a boycott.

1. They overprice shitty hardware.

They're not popular enough to make it cheaper, though I agree they should add suport for custom PCs.

2. They created updates to destroy jailbroken iphones

Not sure what you mean by jailbroken, but updates may test fine in the lab and in the wild reveal more problems that previously weren't encountered. It happens to Microsoft and Linux developers, too you know.

3. They threatened to sue palm over using an interface in the pre that apple didn't even invent

They were following their lawyers' advice and although Apple didn't invent the interface, they may have registered an interface that was very similar before Palm invented theirs.

4. Stealing java-enabled widgets such as Konfabulator

Yahoo! owns Konfabulator and have renamed it to Yahoo! Widgets. Unless Apple owns Yahoo!, they didn't do it.

5. Stabbing Microsoft in the back after Microsoft gave apple money preventing apple from becoming bankrupt

Elaborate.

6. Preventing itunes songs from being transferred to non-apple mp3 players

iTunes, by default, encodes in AAC format meaning the player would have to be AAC compatible. Store music is protected but this protection is easily circumvented.

7. Making the mac OS in compatible with a lot of non-apple hardware to force people to buy apple's shitty quality over priced hardware

They do this to make sure Mac OS works. This is to make there computers easier like consoles. I think they will do better to release the drivers that make it work on custom PCs to the public.

8. Mac OS incompatibility with software in general.

What about Windows incompatibility with Mac software, or Linux software and visa versa? Apple computers can run all three making the computer itself compatible with all software, but it takes a downloaded crack to the same on a custom PC.

9. Using automatic updates to quicktime and itunes as a way to spread safari

They're alowed to do that if Microsoft is allowed to offer software in Windows updates (and they do).

10. Copying software made by the Xerox corporation in their computers back in the 80s

They consulted with Xerox to design their first UI. That means they were interested in the best and helped by the best. Microsoft got it's inspiration from Apple, as did most other OSes.

11. Soldering ipod batteries to the motherboard to prevent customers from repairing the ipods when the batteries wear out over years of use as a way to force them to buy a new one

Just send it in for a replacement if it's cheaper than a new one, but usually by the time that happens it a compelling argument to upgrade.

I could go on, but 11 reasons is enough for now.

[lolwtfmudkips]

Does the mac OS use the same hardware that windows use's? Such as the basic processor, ddr2 ram, 500gb HD ect. or does it use special parts?

[Crumption]

At 6/15/09 11:59 AM, lolwtfmudkips wrote: Does the mac OS use the same hardware that windows use's? Such as the basic processor, ddr2 ram, 500gb HD ect. or does it use special parts?

If youre trying to suggest that it cant run on windows hardware, it can.

[brewbeer]

You pay for what you get cheap-ass.

Apple products are far better than 'Windows - lets bring out vista which wishes is was mac but isn't and only does a quarter of the thing macs can do'

So if you have a problem with them, stick to your Microsoft....

[Conspiracy3]

At 6/15/09 11:53 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote:

At 6/15/09 10:17 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote: I can list numerous reason that they deserve a boycott.

1. They overprice shitty hardware.

They're not popular enough to make it cheaper, though I agree they should add suport for custom PCs.

Why don't they just allow you to install the Mac OS on regular hardware?

2. They created updates to destroy jailbroken iphones

Not sure what you mean by jailbroken, but updates may test fine in the lab and in the wild reveal more problems that previously weren't encountered. It happens to Microsoft and Linux developers, too you know.

Jailbreaking is a way users can improve the iPhone. Whether it was just a glitch or there was malicious intent I'm not sure.

3. They threatened to sue palm over using an interface in the pre that apple didn't even invent

They were following their lawyers' advice and although Apple didn't invent the interface, they may have registered an interface that was very similar before Palm invented theirs.

Yes, but the interface was invented before apple as a company even existed.

4. Stealing java-enabled widgets such as Konfabulator

Yahoo! owns Konfabulator and have renamed it to Yahoo! Widgets. Unless Apple owns Yahoo!, they didn't do it.

Yahoo made konfabulator, but apple copied the java-based widgets for their own programs.

5. Stabbing Microsoft in the back after Microsoft gave apple money preventing apple from becoming bankrupt

Elaborate.

Early on Microsoft funded apple to allow it to survive in the market. Right now apple's entire marketing tactics are centered around making bill gates seem like a devil and giving PCs a bad name.

6. Preventing itunes songs from being transferred to non-apple mp3 players

iTunes, by default, encodes in AAC format meaning the player would have to be AAC compatible. Store music is protected but this protection is easily circumvented.

I'm not talking about the AAC formating. I'm talking about the encryption codes added to some of the music downloaded directly from itunes. The ipods are mp3 compatible so why doesn't apple just use unencrypted mp3 files like the rest of the world?

7. Making the mac OS in compatible with a lot of non-apple hardware to force people to buy apple's shitty quality over priced hardware

They do this to make sure Mac OS works. This is to make there computers easier like consoles. I think they will do better to release the drivers that make it work on custom PCs to the public.

For those who don't want to deal with drivers and stuff apple makes it much simpler, but for those with pcs that actually have decent hardware apple should create drivers that suit the hardware. The lack of drivers has nothing to do with ease of use, it has to do with getting people to buy their overpriced hardware. It's simply a captive market.

8. Mac OS incompatibility with software in general.

What about Windows incompatibility with Mac software, or Linux software and visa versa? Apple computers can run all three making the computer itself compatible with all software, but it takes a downloaded crack to the same on a custom PC.

Macs are not compatible with all windows hardware. Very few games run well on mac. The vast majority of software out there is made for windows.

9. Using automatic updates to quicktime and itunes as a way to spread safari

They're alowed to do that if Microsoft is allowed to offer software in Windows updates (and they do).

I know that microsoft is not innocent in this either, but the fact that they are using the same exact marketing tactics that they constantly criticize microsoft for is ironic. As I said earlier, I don't like microsoft either.

10. Copying software made by the Xerox corporation in their computers back in the 80s

They consulted with Xerox to design their first UI. That means they were interested in the best and helped by the best. Microsoft got it's inspiration from Apple, as did most other OSes.

They didn't consult with Xerox. As a matter of fact Xerox attempted (and failed) to sue apple once their UI was plagiarized.

11. Soldering ipod batteries to the motherboard to prevent customers from repairing the ipods when the batteries wear out over years of use as a way to force them to buy a new one

Just send it in for a replacement if it's cheaper than a new one, but usually by the time that happens it a compelling argument to upgrade.

Yes, but they still make you pay for the replacement. Why not just be like other MP3 players and connect the battery to the system via a bus connector so that all you need to do is buy a new battery, open up the case, take out the old battery, and put in the new one? Soldering it to the motherboard has no practical purpose other than requiring that apple themselves fix it and get paid for the installation charge. Last I checked the repair was something like fifty bucks.

[Conspiracy3]

At 6/15/09 12:01 PM, brewbeer wrote: You pay for what you get cheap-ass.

Apple products are far better than 'Windows - lets bring out vista which wishes is was mac but isn't and only does a quarter of the thing macs can do'

Apple's products are worse than windows. The hardware specs are shit. Vista runs fine if you optimize it properly and you have enough ram for it. BTW: I'm running windows 7. Windows 7 kicks the ass of anything mac has ever made.

[spiderleet]

Just buy the parts and make your own computer...thats what i did and its cheaper and better, with just 400 dollars i bought a core 2 duo, nVidia GeForce 9800, and 4gb of ram, i usually go to fry to buy upgrades for my pc.

[Jesus-Owns-X]

All of those are true, but they don't need a boycott......

[gregaaron89]

At 6/15/09 10:17 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote: 6. Preventing itunes songs from being transferred to non-apple mp3 players

That's no longer true. It's called DRM and iTunes has gotten rid of it. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/itu nes_goes_drm_free.php

[Snake-Arsenic]

At 6/15/09 12:04 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: Why don't they just allow you to install the Mac OS on regular hardware?

I'm wondering that, too.

Jailbreaking is a way users can improve the iPhone. Whether it was just a glitch or there was malicious intent I'm not sure.

If it involves loading software Apple didn't want users to run on it then it's at the users own risk.

Yes, but the interface was invented before apple as a company even existed.

Unfortunately the time of registration can become more important in court than the time of creation. I hope it got dismissed with prejudice.

Yahoo made konfabulator, but apple copied the java-based widgets for their own programs.

You can still run Konfabulator on a mac, so I don't much of a problem here.

Early on Microsoft funded apple to allow it to survive in the market. Right now apple's entire marketing tactics are centered around making bill gates seem like a devil and giving PCs a bad name.

It's all harmless fun. Did you know that the IE team and Mozilla always make each other seem like the devil and play pranks on each other, while sending Explorer and Firefox birthday cakes and congratulatory letters and certificates in private?

I'm not talking about the AAC formating. I'm talking about the encryption codes added to some of the music downloaded directly from itunes. The ipods are mp3 compatible so why doesn't apple just use unencrypted mp3 files like the rest of the world?

This is to circumvent audio piracy. Unfortunately users have to suffer through the effects of the measure built to ensure their favourite bands have enough money for their next album. Anyway from another reply, I hear that's no longer as big a problem as it used to be.

For those who don't want to deal with drivers and stuff apple makes it much simpler, but for those with pcs that actually have decent hardware apple should create drivers that suit the hardware. The lack of drivers has nothing to do with ease of use, it has to do with getting people to buy their overpriced hardware. It's simply a captive market.

I agree except on the drivers part. If they didn't release drivers to support non-Apple plug and play hardware, it wouldn't run anyway.

Macs are not compatible with all windows hardware. Very few games run well on mac. The vast majority of software out there is made for windows.

You said Mac OS compatibility and yes, the vast majority of hardware is designed for Windows, which can be run on Apple computers (and without emulation, since all Intel-based Apple hardware is compatible with Windows).

I know that microsoft is not innocent in this either, but the fact that they are using the same exact marketing tactics that they constantly criticize microsoft for is ironic. As I said earlier, I don't like Microsoft either.

It's not ironic, it's expected. Microsoft is a very aggressive company when it comes to marketing and Apple may criticize, but they may also consider these tactics because they work.

They didn't consult with Xerox. As a matter of fact Xerox attempted (and failed) to sue apple once their UI was plagiarized.

They visited and obtained information through talks that led to the creation of a UI similar to a Xerox computer's UI and incorporated a mouse, also in the Xerox computer UI. It was dropped because the Apple UI was not a derivative and was not based on any copyrighted material. Inspiration does not necessarily mean plagiarism. In any case, Xerox waited too long to sue and lawsuits made by Apple against Microsoft for "look and feel" led to the "hand-out" or out of court settlement you mentioned earlier.

Yes, but they still make you pay for the replacement. Why not just be like other MP3 players and connect the battery to the system via a bus connector so that all you need to do is buy a new battery, open up the case, take out the old battery, and put in the new one? Soldering it to the motherboard has no practical purpose other than requiring that apple themselves fix it and get paid for the installation charge. Last I checked the repair was something like fifty bucks.

If it's in warranty you get it fixed for free. If it's not, like all other mp3 players, you have to pay. The purpose might have been just what you claim but paying to fix it's not unusual.

[Bolo]

Required Reading.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Armerad]

Do you have any facts to back those up? Last I remember, Mac was stilling doing well enough in the economy.