So I am pretty sure you all have heardabout the kid who toked up during his presentation about the legalization of cannabis at school, if not here is a link:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/educa tion/story/769115.html
I want to hear your guys opnions on this topic please.
You are all Cunts.
He's a champ and a hero.
Hopefully, he will be the Rosa Parks in the legalization of marijuana process.
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Yet if he was advocating the legalization of smoking in government buildings and he lit up a cigarette, he'd just be a stupid asshole.
What the kid did took balls, he stood up for what was he believed in & for that I salute him.
But all in all it was a pretty useless gesture most people I know think the anti-pot laws are ridiculous & I'm pretty sure most of the population agrees, though I've had a difficult time finding a reliable study to confirm this.
At 6/8/09 06:20 PM, Elfer wrote: Yet if he was advocating the legalization of smoking in government buildings and he lit up a cigarette, he'd just be a stupid asshole.
That's a completely different topic, so yes. Very true. Similarly, if he was advocating the extermination of Mormons and lit up a Bible, he just be a stupid asshole.
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I went to a comedy show here where the dude smoked pot on the stage.
There was a cop in the room who heckled him as a joke. Yeah cops don't give a shit. I wonder who still gives a shit.
I have never once met someone who was against making pot legal. Ever. Never even HEARD of those people.
Well, outside of the 50s.
At 6/8/09 06:42 PM, poxpower wrote: I have never once met someone who was against making pot legal. Ever. Never even HEARD of those people.
Well, outside of the 50s.
You don't meet many people, do you?
At 6/8/09 06:41 PM, Tancrisism wrote:At 6/8/09 06:20 PM, Elfer wrote: Yet if he was advocating the legalization of smoking in government buildings and he lit up a cigarette, he'd just be a stupid asshole.That's a completely different topic, so yes. Very true. Similarly, if he was advocating the extermination of Mormons and lit up a Bible, he just be a stupid asshole.
It's not completly unrelated. Legalization advocates keep saying that there will be resonable restrictions on smoking a la tobacco smoking and alcohol consumption in order to avoid the more public stupidity. So in the interest of equality lighting up indoors in a school non the less should be seen as equally asshole-ish.
I have nothing against people who can use pot and lead a productive life. It's these sanctimonius hippies that make me wish I was a riot cop in the 60's
you can be charged with possession for marijuana residue?
At 6/8/09 07:06 PM, stafffighter wrote:It's not completly unrelated. Legalization advocates keep saying that there will be resonable restrictions on smoking a la tobacco smoking and alcohol consumption in order to avoid the more public stupidity. So in the interest of equality lighting up indoors in a school non the less should be seen as equally asshole-ish.At 6/8/09 06:20 PM, Elfer wrote: Yet if he was advocating the legalization of smoking in government buildings and he lit up a cigarette, he'd just be a stupid asshole.
But he wasn't advocating the legalization of smoking in government buildings, or that tobacco, or anything for that matter, should be allowed to be smoked indoors. He was advocating the legalization of marijuana.
Smoking indoors in a school should have the same rules applied to it that it would have if he smoked a cigarette - he should have gotten into trouble for it. He should have gotten suspended, at the most.
He should not have gotten removed from the school, expelled, arrested, and sent to juvenile hall.
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At 6/8/09 07:11 PM, SolInvictus wrote: you can be charged with possession for marijuana residue?
Yes, but they only really enforce it when people were clearly smoking weed and they want to bring them in on something. It's more used as direct evidence of possession.
At 6/8/09 07:05 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote:At 6/8/09 06:42 PM, poxpower wrote: I have never once met someone who was against making pot legal. Ever. Never even HEARD of those people.You don't meet many people, do you?
Well, outside of the 50s.
I've meet hundreds from all over the world and NO ONE is against it.
Where are the anti-pot people???
At 6/8/09 07:43 PM, poxpower wrote: I've meet hundreds from all over the world and NO ONE is against it.
Where are the anti-pot people???
I've met a lot of them here in the US. My girlfriend was against it for a while too (until I logicked her into acceptance), and she's from Switzerland.
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I've said it before I'll say it again.
HE BROKE THE CURRENT LAWS! HE DESERVES HIS PUNISHMENT!
I don't care why he did it. The law is just that, the LAW. If a law is a bad law, repeal it. until then, enforce it.
just because you don't agree with a law does not give the right to break the law.
If you could break the law on the grounds you don't agree with it, then law would have no meaning and would be completely unenforceable.
The stupid punk got what he deserves.
I'm not crazy, everyone else is.
At 6/8/09 07:30 PM, Tancrisism wrote:
But he wasn't advocating the legalization of smoking in government buildings, or that tobacco, or anything for that matter, should be allowed to be smoked indoors. He was advocating the legalization of marijuana.
I get that. And while there are a million completly repedative topics about that this particular act was that of a douche.
Smoking indoors in a school should have the same rules applied to it that it would have if he smoked a cigarette - he should have gotten into trouble for it. He should have gotten suspended, at the most.
He should not have gotten removed from the school, expelled, arrested, and sent to juvenile hall.
You can say what would and should and all that but the point is that when you do something up front like that that you know is illegal taking a legal hit is a risk. You can have all the beleifs you want but if that kid didn't know that lighting up an illegal substance in front of a crowd was going to end this way he was irrepairably up his own ass.
I have nothing against people who can use pot and lead a productive life. It's these sanctimonius hippies that make me wish I was a riot cop in the 60's
Civil disobedience is awesome. Good on him, standing up for what he believe in.
At 6/8/09 08:15 PM, Korriken wrote: I've said it before I'll say it again.
HE BROKE THE CURRENT LAWS! HE DESERVES HIS PUNISHMENT!
I don't care why he did it. The law is just that, the LAW. If a law is a bad law, repeal it. until then, enforce it.
just because you don't agree with a law does not give the right to break the law.
If you could break the law on the grounds you don't agree with it, then law would have no meaning and would be completely unenforceable.
The stupid punk got what he deserves.
I guess that bitch Rosa Parks and that asshole Mahatma Gandhi got what they deserved too.
Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters. -Rosa Luxemburg
Ignorance is the root of all evil. -Molly Ivins
This is all I ask.
At 6/8/09 08:25 PM, Saruman200 wrote: Civil disobedience is awesome. Good on him, standing up for what he believe in.
I guess that bitch Rosa Parks and that asshole Mahatma Gandhi got what they deserved too.
Yes. Because smoking pot is just as important as racial equality and the dominion of a foriegn superpower over a native people.
I say we declare this young hero a political prisoner and hold rallies in his honor. I'll right the protest song "All we are saying is reorginize complex legal structures because I'm sick of getting inconvienenced on the way to a party!"
I have nothing against people who can use pot and lead a productive life. It's these sanctimonius hippies that make me wish I was a riot cop in the 60's
The fact that he can't even put down the pipe to present his case on marijuana is fact enough that potheads can't control how much they do it. Meaning in everyday situations, they'll be high. Operating machinery, driving cars, surgery, etc.
He wasn't presenting his case with any kind of "balls", he was being a stoner.
To the Rosa Parks comments, that fits well with potheads. Sitting there doing absolutely nothing. That does NOT help the case for marijuana at all. Neither does this presentation of the legalization. It just makes stoners look worse.
At 6/8/09 08:30 PM, stafffighter wrote:At 6/8/09 08:25 PM, Saruman200 wrote: Civil disobedience is awesome. Good on him, standing up for what he believe in.Yes. Because smoking pot is just as important as racial equality and the dominion of a foriegn superpower over a native people.
I guess that bitch Rosa Parks and that asshole Mahatma Gandhi got what they deserved too.
I say we declare this young hero a political prisoner and hold rallies in his honor. I'll right the protest song "All we are saying is reorginize complex legal structures because I'm sick of getting inconvienenced on the way to a party!"
Marijuana legalization is pretty important. In addition to the obvious effects, there are economic effects aswell. Think of the revenue generated by taxation on marijuana. What about the thousands of people put in prison for something as minor as having weed? It's a big issue. Maybe not as big as civil rights or the British occupation of India, but what the kid did was just like what Rosa Parks and Mahatma Gandhi did: he broke the law, a rather stupid and wrong law, to make a point and help his cause, and he took the fallout for it. The issues the three were fighting against were different, but their actions were the same and in the same spirit.
Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters. -Rosa Luxemburg
Ignorance is the root of all evil. -Molly Ivins
This is all I ask.
At 6/8/09 08:58 PM, Saruman200 wrote:
Marijuana legalization is pretty important. In addition to the obvious effects, there are economic effects aswell. Think of the revenue generated by taxation on marijuana. What about the thousands of people put in prison for something as minor as having weed? It's a big issue. Maybe not as big as civil rights or the British occupation of India, but what the kid did was just like what Rosa Parks and Mahatma Gandhi did: he broke the law, a rather stupid and wrong law, to make a point and help his cause, and he took the fallout for it. The issues the three were fighting against were different, but their actions were the same and in the same spirit.
Ok, breaking up your points here not out of any disrespect but for the sake of clarity.
1. There are legal stipilations in place such as medical use and amounts carrying different penalties. There is no need to make a blanket legalization on that basis.
2. Use of a recreational drug vs. the oppresion of a race? Not really seeing it.
3. Those figures took their punishment so if anything he's following in a proud tradition.
4. The economic side. This one people throw around a lot. First of all, where would all this pot come from? Would we use American farmland that could be used for food? Do we cut down more rainforests? And don't use the example of tobacco here. It might be bullshit but it's there, it's established and looking at it angrily isn't going to make it go away.
I have nothing against people who can use pot and lead a productive life. It's these sanctimonius hippies that make me wish I was a riot cop in the 60's
At 6/8/09 08:58 PM, Saruman200 wrote:
Marijuana legalization is pretty important.
only to those who use it.
In addition to the obvious effects, there are economic effects aswell. Think of the revenue generated by taxation on marijuana.
Think of the revenue wasted on welfare for the influx of marijuana users when no decent company will hire them.
What about the thousands of people put in prison for something as minor as having weed? It's a big issue. Maybe not as big as civil rights or the British occupation of India, but what the kid did was just like what Rosa Parks and Mahatma Gandhi did: he broke the law, a rather stupid and wrong law, to make a point and help his cause, and he took the fallout for it.
Stupid and wrong law is a matter of perspective. Personally I think not executing drug dealers is an injustice to the American Public.
The issues the three were fighting against were different, but their actions were the same and in the same spirit.
I'm not even going to comment on the stupidity of this statement.
I'm not crazy, everyone else is.
At 6/8/09 08:20 PM, stafffighter wrote: I get that. And while there are a million completly repedative topics about that this particular act was that of a douche.
I disagree entirely there, but it seems we are looking at this differently.
You can say what would and should and all that but the point is that when you do something up front like that that you know is illegal taking a legal hit is a risk. You can have all the beleifs you want but if that kid didn't know that lighting up an illegal substance in front of a crowd was going to end this way he was irrepairably up his own ass.
Yes, he knew what he was getting into when he did it. But this whole issue brings up the topic of "should he be punished like that?" "Should marijuana be illegal in the first place?"
At 6/8/09 09:20 PM, stafffighter wrote: Ok, breaking up your points here not out of any disrespect but for the sake of clarity.
1. There are legal stipilations in place such as medical use and amounts carrying different penalties. There is no need to make a blanket legalization on that basis.
I disagree with this. It should be legalized for all purposes.
2. Use of a recreational drug vs. the oppresion of a race? Not really seeing it.
The Rosa Parks comparison is that she is the one that sparked the widespread movement. Not that the prohibition of marijuana compares to the oppression they faced.
4. The economic side. This one people throw around a lot. First of all, where would all this pot come from? Would we use American farmland that could be used for food? Do we cut down more rainforests? And don't use the example of tobacco here. It might be bullshit but it's there, it's established and looking at it angrily isn't going to make it go away.
But the example of tobacco works as well in that sense - marijuana is there. It's established. And looking at it angrily/illegalizing it will not make it go away either.
You are concerned over where the pot would come from? If you know anything about basic economics, you would know that with a demand there will always be a supply. And there is a demand for marijuana, thus supplies also exist. If it was legalized, plenty of people would supply the marijuana industry, that would not be a problem.
At 6/8/09 08:33 PM, Samuraikyo wrote: He wasn't presenting his case with any kind of "balls", he was being a stoner.
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Did you read the article? The kid has a 3.7 GPA in high school. Was he high the entire time? If so, you are wrong in your insinuation that stoners are lazy and stupid.
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At 6/8/09 09:31 PM, Korriken wrote: Think of the revenue wasted on welfare for the influx of marijuana users when no decent company will hire them.
Have you ever had a non-shit job? In the vast majority of cases, with the exception of law enforcement and certain other professions (such as mining companies or companies who have clients who require it), they will not drug test you. What you do on your own time is your own business, so long as it isn't affecting your performance at work.
Decent companies base their hiring decisions on qualifications, not arbitrary unrelated factors.
At 6/8/09 09:31 PM, Korriken wrote: only to those who use it.
No. I actually really don't enjoy smoking pot at all, and I find it obnoxious when my friends do, but I strongly believe it should be legalized.
Think of the revenue wasted on welfare for the influx of marijuana users when no decent company will hire them.
If marijuana was legalized, businesses would probably reconsider their drug test policies. This is a long shot, and seems like you are just being bitter.
Stupid and wrong law is a matter of perspective. Personally I think not executing drug dealers is an injustice to the American Public.
Suddenly I am wondering why I am debating points with you... Do you actually have something serious to say, or are you just being a drama queen?
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At 6/8/09 09:37 PM, Tancrisism wrote:
But the example of tobacco works as well in that sense - marijuana is there. It's established. And looking at it angrily/illegalizing it will not make it go away either.
It's already illegal. Yes, there are movments of decriminalization in places and those are good but really, it doesn't and will not have the establishment that tobacco has.
You are concerned over where the pot would come from? If you know anything about basic economics, you would know that with a demand there will always be a supply. And there is a demand for marijuana, thus supplies also exist. If it was legalized, plenty of people would supply the marijuana industry, that would not be a problem.
I know economics. Do you know geography? You say the suppy will come. I ask from where? Land is, to quote Lex Luthor "The one thing no one's making any more of."
I'm not even against pot being legal. But holding up someone like this as a civil rights hero presents the additude that pot isn't this impassive, harmless thing that should be allowed into the American mainstream. It's a recreational drug, there are better uses for political fever.
I have nothing against people who can use pot and lead a productive life. It's these sanctimonius hippies that make me wish I was a riot cop in the 60's
At 6/8/09 09:37 PM, Tancrisism wrote:At 6/8/09 08:33 PM, Samuraikyo wrote: He wasn't presenting his case with any kind of "balls", he was being a stoner.You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Did you read the article? The kid has a 3.7 GPA in high school. Was he high the entire time? If so, you are wrong in your insinuation that stoners are lazy and stupid.
Yes I read the article. Did I say he was a lazy stoner? No. I said he was proving he was a stoner. Did you even read what I said or are you quick to judge anyone against marijuana?
At 6/8/09 09:49 PM, stafffighter wrote: It's already illegal. Yes, there are movments of decriminalization in places and those are good but really, it doesn't and will not have the establishment that tobacco has.
You say it will not; I don't think I could be sure about that. I know it could, but will it? Time will only tell.
I know economics. Do you know geography? You say the suppy will come. I ask from where? Land is, to quote Lex Luthor "The one thing no one's making any more of."
There is still plenty of farmable land left in the US. Besides, California and Kentucky are already examples of two states with enormous marijuana crop productions. People can build large greenhouses on plantations.
Businesses will form. The Mid-West is still ripe for the plant.
I'm not even against pot being legal. But holding up someone like this as a civil rights hero presents the additude that pot isn't this impassive, harmless thing that should be allowed into the American mainstream. It's a recreational drug, there are better uses for political fever.
I wouldn't say he's like a civil rights hero, and, once again, I didn't mean to insinuate that the prohibition of marijuana compares to the oppression of the blacks in cruelty.
However, I do believe that the prohibition of marijuana is just as illogical and harmful as the 1920's prohibition of alcohol, and, whether you like to believe it or not, marijuana already is part of the American mainstream. So it deserves political fervor just as much, if not more, than other topics.
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At 6/8/09 09:54 PM, Samuraikyo wrote: Yes I read the article. Did I say he was a lazy stoner? No. I said he was proving he was a stoner. Did you even read what I said or are you quick to judge anyone against marijuana?
Unlike you, I don't categorize people into groups and then assume that they all behave similarly. Not everyone who smokes pot cannot control their usage. Go out into the world a bit and meet some people, it'll do you good.
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