Child Molester Gets 4Mill

[Tony-DarkGrave]

Illegal Immigrant Child Molester Gets $4 Million From County

County officials have agreed to pay more than $4 million to settle a lawsuit brought by an undocumented Mexican immigrant who was beaten by inmates while in custody at the Orange County jail, the man's attorney said Monday.

The settlement appears to be the largest ever paid by Orange County for an in-custody incident involving county sheriffs, according to county officials and the man's lawyer.

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wow just wow how the fuck does this happens but before I clicked the story I knew it must have been in California.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

oh shit almost forgot my arguement. The molester who got his brains damaged argues that its the state prisons fault for not protecting him in prison when the other prisoners beated him upafter learning his offense. personally I think they aren't liable its complete bullshit.
everyone knows rapists and child molesters are the lowest on the totem pole in prison and most likely to get attacked do you honestly expect a squad of guards hold the hand of every convict who commited a sex crime to make sure they don't get beaten up? If I was the family of the child who was molested I would get in on this quickly and fucking protest it.

[RubberTrucky]

I agree that an inmate should never be allowed to demand compensation from court for any kind of thing happened to him. I think they forfeit that right when they did criminal activity in the first place. But I must also say that I don't think inmates should be allowed to drutalise other inmates, whether or not the 'victims' raped/killed women or children.

But I think this guy should be glad he's in an American prison and not sent back to a Mexican prison.

[morefngdbs]

You don't put child molestors in general prison populations for a reason !
THis guy is an example of that REASON.
Prison staffers FUCKED UP & because they FUCKED UP, they have lost their jobs & the owner of the facility (the taxpayer) is on the hook for their fuck up.
IT has absolutely NOTHING to do with the prisoners actions. They (the prison staff) were aware of his offense. This is why there are 'protective custody' cells. Prisoner is locked in & other prisoners cannot get near him.
I'm not condoning child molesting, but his being fucked up for the rest of his life is a direct result of the state not caring for someone in their facility properly & when you are arrested or incarcerated the STATE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SAFETY & you health .

[EggSnake]

We should kill and eat pedophiles and rapists. They try to become one with us in hazardous manners. It's like God is pointing his or her finger directly at this and humans want to eat chicken eggs instead.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 6/6/09 08:15 AM, morefngdbs wrote: Prison staffers FUCKED UP & because they FUCKED UP, they have lost their jobs & the owner of the facility (the taxpayer) is on the hook for their fuck up.

yeah and do you know how long a prison beating takes 10-15 seconds guards can't react that fast especially when you have 50 in-mates in one room and 3 guards in it you need fucking back up.

IT has absolutely NOTHING to do with the prisoners actions. They (the prison staff) were aware of his offense. This is why there are 'protective custody' cells. Prisoner is locked in & other prisoners cannot get near him.

usually the prisoner has to request it and fill out some forms and stuff and then it has to go through some process.

I'm not condoning child molesting, but his being fucked up for the rest of his life is a direct result of the state not caring for someone in their facility properly & when you are arrested or incarcerated the STATE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SAFETY & you health .

personally I think he deserved it it.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

well said Seven plus when their is like 3 security guards and 25 in-mates in a room and ten of them go on one you can't do shit without back up.

plus the victim of the fucker should get some of the money too.

[Korriken]

Who is to blame for this? the prisoners. why? because he survived.

and yes, this kind of thing can only happen in California.

[b0b3rt]

Only reason I'm not surprised this kind of thing happened is because we had a drug trafficker from Mexico sue 2 minutemen (or the state, don't remember) because they shot him in the buttocks after he pulled a gun on them while driving across the border.

He won something like $5 million and the minutemen got sent to prison (they were pardoned near the end of Bush's 2nd term).

[dySWN]

Seriously, California - this is why we can't have nice things.

Also why your citizens keep moving over here to the great state of Nevada, where we don't do retarded things like this and then wonder why the budget isn't balanced.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 6/7/09 02:43 AM, dySWN wrote: Seriously, California - this is why we can't have nice things.

Also why your citizens keep moving over here to the great state of Nevada, where we don't do retarded things like this and then wonder why the budget isn't balanced.

lol now now its not there fault there state is fucked I blame its liberal ways personally.

[dySWN]

At 6/7/09 02:50 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: lol now now its not there fault there state is fucked I blame its liberal ways personally.

It's funny because it's true.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 6/7/09 02:54 AM, dySWN wrote:

At 6/7/09 02:50 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: lol now now its not there fault there state is fucked I blame its liberal ways personally.

It's funny because it's true.

I know thats whats bringing down the east coast.

[fli]

Even criminals have human rights.
That is an inalienable right even if they're in prison.

Sure, it's understandable that this is sweet revenge... but if a prison has a way to keep this under control and it didn't... it's their fault.

So the question really is--
Did the prison do its job to keep all in inmates safe.
If they did their job and he nevertheless got abused... he would not have a case. At least they did their job.

Or was this a scene straight out of Miguel Pinero's "Short Eyes."

[MultiCanimefan]

Oh, don't you know, fli? All prisoners and criminals are low-life scum who were completely in control of their own actions and were not influenced at all from peers, environment, or experiences and deserve no mental analysis, fair treatment, or basic needs. Jesus, I thought this was common knowledge. /sarcasm.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

yeah plus you can't protect all fucking inmates what makes this guy special? honestly like previously stated you can protect a inmate if there's 10 others on him its suicide if a guard tries going in a brawl like this.
plus he's a illegal immigrant he doesn't have rights in the US prison system wasting our tax payers money on scum like him. seriously Fli you should know better.

[Gagsy]

Hmm.

He touched a girl over her clothes on her private areas. Sure he's not a saint, but I wouldn't go as far to say he deserves to have been made brain damaged. It's not like he raped or killed anyone.

"The ensuing beating left Ramirez with the intellect of a 4-year-old child. He is unable to walk unassisted and will need help for the rest of his life, said Eisenberg."

I'd say a lawsuit is right really. 4 million may be a bit extreme but that's American law for you.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

The p[iece of shit had it coming to him. enough said as for the money 1/4 or at least half of it should go to the victims family.

[Gagsy]

At 6/7/09 04:49 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: The p[iece of shit had it coming to him. enough said as for the money 1/4 or at least half of it should go to the victims family.

Personally I'd rather see drug dealers who's business have ruined the lifes of many get that kind of beating here. I'm not defending child molesters at all, but seriously his crime was fucking nothing compared to the scum who likely beat him.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

in prison child molesters and rapists are prime targets in prison and personally I like it that way its a great way for the scurge of society to kill each other off.

[Gagsy]

At 6/7/09 05:03 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: in prison child molesters and rapists are prime targets in prison and personally I like it that way its a great way for the scurge of society to kill each other off.

I think you're missing my point entirely.

He isn't a rapist and he isn't exactly a child molester either.. What he did was wrong, but he doesn't deserve to be left with the train of a 4 year old and be unable to walk properly.

Can you really say what he did to one girl (she had clothes on, he didn't force his hand into her body) was worse then someone who murders or big drug dealers who happily ruin lifes just to get their money? Really?

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 6/7/09 05:10 AM, Gagsy wrote: I think you're missing my point entirely.

no im not.

He isn't a rapist and he isn't exactly a child molester either.. What he did was wrong, but he doesn't deserve to be left with the train of a 4 year old and be unable to walk properly.Can you really say what he did to one girl (she had clothes on, he didn't force his hand into her body)

what he did was touch a child under age inappropriately with clothes on or off doesn't matter. its molestation. but hey you know maybe when you have a kid and she gets felt up by a illegal immigrant maybe you will understand. in america sex crimes against children have always been considered far more heinous than murder.

was worse then someone who murders or big drug dealers who happily ruin lifes just to get their money? Really?

read the above statement.

[Gagsy]

At 6/7/09 05:19 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

no im not.

Then you're ignorant beyond belief.

what he did was touch a child under age inappropriately with clothes on or off doesn't matter. its molestation. but hey you know maybe when you have a kid and she gets felt up by a illegal immigrant maybe you will understand. in america sex crimes against children have always been considered far more heinous than murder.

I have a 2 year old nephew who I would do anything for, and would kill for if someone hurt him. But that is talking as someone who loves. I'm talking about this with no personal feelings at all. You're the one with clouded judgement here.

Funny how you still get a longer sentence for murder then for children molestion, if America really do consider those crimes worse. That is funny.

read the above statement.

I'm NOT defending rapist and child molesters. I know people who have been molested, I know the horrors of molestation myself, but his crime is fucking minimal. I wouldn't put him in the same league as men who rape children for years and download as much child pornography as possible then forcing kids into making videos with him. No, not even close. Those kind of people ARE worse and would deserve this, but he isn't one of them.

That's my point.

You don't give out sentences based on the title of a criminal, you do it based on their actual crimes. Any criminal given a life sentence for whatever crime deserved that beating more than he did.

[morefngdbs]

At 6/6/09 11:47 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

At 6/6/09 08:15 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

yeah and do you know how long a prison beating takes 10-15 seconds guards can't react that fast especially when you have 50 in-mates in one room and 3 guards in it you need fucking back up.

This is why there are 'protective custody' cells. Prisoner is locked in & other prisoners cannot get near him.

usually the prisoner has to request it and fill out some forms and stuff and then it has to go through some process.

;;; No he/she doesn't Its the same for putting a cop (ex-cop) in jail. THEY GO TO P.C. & the reason they go to P.C. is to protect them & to protect the guards from having to rescue them.

personally I think he deserved it it.

;;;;
The topic isn't about whether he deserves it or not.
No offense to you or Seven Seize. But I have family , family that was here for my Mom's birthday yesterday who are Prison Guards in a facility that houses violent prisoners & has our Provinces main Mental health Prisoners Wards as well...the real sick ones.
These people are not always put in individual cells Like Seven suggested. They are put in areas that contain prisoners who have commited the same crimes as they have. P.C. -Protective Custody- you don't 'request it' your prisoner status will automatically place you in that designation if your a pedophile, an ex-cop, mentally challenged etc. Specific cells or isolation cells are used for the most violent offenders the people who don't fuckin' care & if you let them in to General...your going to have someone dead very soon...they are always kept individual/isolated cells.

While I believe persons who harm children deserve the death penalty to keep them from ever having another chance to get out & do it again.
Society as a whole doesn't feel that way & the 'System' we have is what we have to deal with. The Prison Guards fucked up. (maybe they wanted to see the bastard beaten...who knows)
That's all this has to do with, you don't have to be the smartest person in the Prison system to know that pedo's don't go in General Population !
THey fucked up & a person (who possibly deserves this & then some) was put in harms way & that's why he was given (or his family was given) this monetary award.

Those of you who may have thought my last post was in favor of the beaten prisoner, let your hatred of pedophiles get in the way of the fact , employees of the 'system 'fucked up & as it's responsible for everyone in their care, they have an obligation to pay. That's all I was saying. In a perfect (or IMO more perfect world) he would have been killed & we could all sleep better at night. But they (the attackers ) couldn't even get that right.

[morefngdbs]

There is a Prison In New Brunswick Canada.
It is specifically for sex offenders.
No one in there except sex offenders.
Simple solution...Put all the sex offenders in their own Prison.

What is so hard to grasp about that...Fuck if it can be done in Canada it can be done anywhere ! ! !

[morefngdbs]

At 6/7/09 03:05 PM, SevenSeize wrote: Prison isn't supposed to be a fucking nice place. It isn't the goddamn Hilton. It's prison.

;;;
When a person has been deprived of their freedom, by either an arresting officer or the countries court system. The system is responsible for every prisoner in their system.
When one of their prisoners is injured or killed , the responsibility for that rests on the system.
Saying 'oh, well they'er prisoners & they deserve it' doesn't hold water.
You cannot be responsible for something, and then use an excuse if someone in your care is hurt or killed.
That's why the courts awarded him monies...they failed in their responsibility & being a nice place or not has nothing to do with the responsibility that the state assumes when they take away anyones rights & incarcerate them.

[MrHero17]

At 6/7/09 02:16 PM, SevenSeize wrote: Alot of you are chosing to ignore something I said in my original post so let me repost it in caps.

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO PROVIDE SOLITARY CONFINEMENT TO EVERY SINGLE PRISONER WHO COMMITS A CRIME AGAINST CHILDREN. WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT.

Well morefngdbs made the point that normally they just stick all the sex crime inmates in there own portion of the jail. And I do not think he deserved 4 million dollars, yes he should have been away from the general jail populace and that's on the prison but he shouldn't get any money. They should pay for him to be in an asylum where he can get medical attention but still be in jail.

[morefngdbs]

At 6/7/09 03:36 PM, SevenSeize wrote: They will get in fights and beat the hell out of each other.

;;; absolutly it happens very often according to my cousins.

Alot of the fights we can stop, alot we cannot.

;;; Again, that's not really true ,prisoners have a 'file' and are as much as possible kept with prisoners of a similar background & its when new prisoners or 'mistakes' in placing prisoners is where most problems come from (its why a Crip isn't put on a range wit bloods-for example) they KNOW that's a receipe for disaster.

Awarding them RIDICULOUS amounts of money everytime this happens will do nothing except maybe encourage people to get landed in jail. What's a criminal record and a few scars gonna mean when you're a billionaire? Then we'll have more of the collaboration, the cell mates getting together to beat each other up with that intent, to make money.

;;;
Prisoners rarely get money for getting beat on.
But when you have your brains kicked in & your now walking around with the mentality of a 4 year old...that's a little different Seven. That's why there are minimum, medium & maximum & SUPER Max prisons . & some prisons are a combination, but the medium security prisoners cannot get anywhere near the maximum prisoners .

[morefngdbs]

At 6/7/09 04:00 PM, SevenSeize wrote: and what about the victims? Maybe this particular prisoner simply touched a kid over its clothes.

;;;
It may be on the 'low' scale of child molesting...but it is still very wrong (IMO)

But what about the victims who have their brains kicked in and now they have the mentality of a 4 year old. Let's get them 4 million dollars from somewhere.

;;; Here we have victim services & there are monetary paynets made to victim of crimes in Canada...I don't know what the criteria for it is, I do know that its done.

My following posts won't be nearly hostile enough I fear, I'm making them with a kitten on my lap.

;;; I dislike cats...I could easily keep up a hostile demeanor with a kitten here. But I wasn't attempting to be hostile in any way.
Just pointing out 'the system' has responsibilities...whether we agree or not doesn't change those responsibilities.

now if you had a new puppy on your lap... I could see how its hard to be hostile with something as great as a puppy :)

[CBP]

Anybody who molests a child deserves every bad thing that happens to them and more.