Anybody keeping up to date? Results are being announced soon for the Council elections, that is 34 of them. I (and the rest of Britain) am predicting a major failure on Labour's side. Conservatives are probably gonna make a few gains, but hopefully the Lib Dems will gain more. Fringe parties... I don't know, maybe we'll have some surprises.
The EU elections will probably fall along the same lines. UKIP will probably do well (despite the erm, mistake) but somehow I can't see the BNP getting an MEP, you never know though. We'll see on Sunday though.
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I only got EU elections.
Got to love media shit storms
"well you have it... we've been predicting GB would go and after god knows how long....... we are still making out like he will....now lets go to interviews with people only who agree with our agenda"
Labour lost four councils including Derbyshire, Lancashire, Staffordshire and another one I cannot find.
Conservatives gained six councils including Devon, Somerset, Warwickshire and the three they took from Labour. Liberal Democrats gained Bristol from no overall control but lost Devon andSomerset to the Tories.
I wish the Liberal Democrats did better. Conservative's huge gain is too undeserved.
I atleast thought the LDs would have have an increase.
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I saw that the BNP got two seats though I forgot where it was.
Well we were dumb enough to think it was gonna happen.
Care to explain what any of this means to an ignorant American? Thank you.
At 6/5/09 05:27 PM, Ledgey wrote: I wish the Liberal Democrats did better. Conservative's huge gain is too undeserved.
I atleast thought the LDs would have have an increase.
It was never really on the cards. The elections were primarily county ones not city ones, and the coutny ones have almost always been traditionally Tory strongholds. Derbyshire going tory was a shock, as was Lancashire.
Lib Dems losing somerst and Devon, whislt a bit pants, isn't that bad. they were the incumbents there for the past decade, so its not surprising it switched.
At 6/5/09 11:59 PM, Dawnslayer wrote: Care to explain what any of this means to an ignorant American? Thank you.
The local council elections are to decide which parties cotrol city and county councils. It also incldues a few mayoral elections. Basically it to decide which party runs your local area.
The results themselves mean that Labour are finished. Last I checked they got a projected 23% of the national vote, pushing them into 3rd palce behind the Liberal Democrats (28%, a rise of 3%) and the Tories (38%, roughly the same as last time round).
At 6/6/09 05:04 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: and the Tories (38%, roughly the same as last time round).
Correction:
The tories Share of the vote *dropped* by 6%
The BNP have gained 3 council seats:
West Burnley, Lancashire,
South Oxhey Hertfordshire
and Coalville Leicestershire.
You disappoint me Inglanders :P How can you let the fascists in? How can you be so blind?
At 6/6/09 07:49 AM, Jon-86 wrote: How can you let the fascists in?
First you need to ask, how can you let fascists into the country? The popularity of BNP is a direct response to it.
I'd never vote for BNP if I lived in Britain, but this is what you get when you let islamofascists push you around in the name of "multiculturalism".
At 6/6/09 09:25 AM, AapoJoki wrote: I'd never vote for BNP if I lived in Britain, but this is what you get when you let islamofascists push you around in the name of "multiculturalism".
No this is what you get when people believe the BNP. What you said is basically their propaganda. If we were to believe them then the world is being taken over by the muslims and they want to kill all of us. Which is ridiculous.
Sure you get fundamentalist Muslims preaching hate. But you also get fundamentalists Christians doing the exact same thing. All in the name of god of course! What exactly do you mean by "pusing us around"
At 6/6/09 11:03 AM, Victory wrote: This man, Abu Hamza, was preaching in an area just five minutes away from where I live.
Men like that don't represent the majority of Muslims! And that's the key point the BNP fail to get across. Instead they just generalise a large portion of the population. And think that we should all get rid of them to "protect out national identity" Since when did religion determine your nationality?
If you feel Abu Hamza it talking shite, why not challenge him on his views and prove they are not founded on sectarian bigotry? Its as much your right to debate with public speakers as it is theirs to speak!
At 6/6/09 11:03 AM, Victory wrote: Islam definitely poses a more significant threat to our freedoms and rights than any other religion.
Explain this point also! Sharia law (Islamic law) even if fully introduced into this country would change nothing for the people that do not believe in Islam! So it wouldnt effect your freedom in any way.
How can Islam effect your rights? Muslims have been living here for years. Their religion has dont nothing to change the rights of people here. The government has done more to erode your rights in the last 10 years than any religion has or ever will be able to do.
At 6/6/09 11:34 AM, Victory wrote: No, he doesn't. But the minority of Muslims which are extremists far outnumbers any other religion, and they are far more vocal about the downfall of the West.
You can argue the exact same point for Christian extremists in the US, but just because they make their opinions heard more doesn't mean we need to deport every Muslim in the country.
Well that would be fruitless since he is an extremist nutcase who would not listen to any argument I come out with. That's where the concept of faith gets you.
Not really, if any speaker aims to gain credibility with a wider audience (beyond other extremists) and actually effect the changes they want. They have to defend their points of view. Basing your arguments on "what god told you to do" will not work either because their is a separation of church and state in the UK meaning religious views will not cause any real change.
Goodbye freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is already lost here because their are laws banning hate speech. Not the call to arms kind of thing, but someone simply expressing their point of view can be dragged away and detained for months without charge.
The examples you linked to are not the loss of freedom, they are examples of what happens when people not willing to challenge someone else's views and it spirals out of control. In the middle ages thousands of women were burnt alive accused of being witches. Simply because people followed religion and didn't challenge the powers that be.
So explain again to me the specific points or policies on immigration the BNP have that are not fundamentally flawed. Because people immigrating and working here and spending money helps the economy! And our economy needs help at this moment in time!
At 6/6/09 11:19 AM, Jon-86 wrote: Sharia law (Islamic law) even if fully introduced into this country would change nothing for the people that do not believe in Islam!
What a disgusting thing to say. In other words, you don't give two shits about the Muslim women in Britain, coerced into these courts (by their fathers and husbands) that make a mockery out of justice, equality and human rights. In order to establish some multicultural utopia, you're willing to neglect the immigrants' human rights even more than BNP is.
Tolerance and diversity are a good thing, but not when you put them before individual liberty and civil rights.
At 6/6/09 11:53 AM, AapoJoki wrote: What a disgusting thing to say. In other words, you don't give two shits about the Muslim women in Britain, coerced into these courts (by their fathers and husbands) that make a mockery out of justice, equality and human rights. In order to establish some multicultural utopia, you're willing to neglect the immigrants' human rights even more than BNP is.
Now your just putting words in my mouth! When did I even comment on Islamic law? Of course I don't think like that don't be so ignorant. Someone made a point that Islamic law would effect them. I pointed out that it has no effect on them unless they themselves are Muslims.
At 6/6/09 11:53 AM, AapoJoki wrote: Tolerance and diversity are a good thing, but not when you put them before individual liberty and civil rights.
The BNP are looking to take away the civil rights of those who they deem are not British! Who are they to decide?
At 6/6/09 12:14 PM, Victory wrote: I am not in favour of deporting every Muslim in the country. Show me where I have said that I am.
Then why are we having this debate? My point initially is against that very thing!
Criticising a religion is not 'hate speech'. You see, even you have bought into the extremist leaders' attempts to brand anything and everything they deem to be critical of their religion as hateful. They are asserting dominance over British culture. They want to crush the life out of this country and turn it into Saudi Arabia, and our cowardly, inept Labour government would rather bend over backwards and throw away our rights than be labelled politically incorrect.
It doesn't need to be religion specifically, bigotry and sectarianism are not exclusive to religion either, your right politicians don't want to be labelled as politically incorrect. But they never would be and indeed are not when they comment on extremists. The vast majority of Muslims living here enjoy the English or Scottish culture and are happy with the freedoms they have.
Your entire point here is based on Islamic extremists actually gaining any kind of political power. Which will never happen because as I already said their is a separation of church and state!
At 6/6/09 12:15 PM, Jon-86 wrote: The BNP are looking to take away the civil rights of those who they deem are not British! Who are they to decide?
This is exactly the reason I despise the BNP and don't support them in the slightest. But for similar reasons, I also dislike the Official Islamic Party of Britain, also known as Labour.
I haven't tried to defend or anyway endorse the BNP at any point, I merely explained why it has received so much support. The British political elite have brought it on themselves and it's time they woke up, or these fringe groups will continue to grow larger.
At 6/6/09 12:45 PM, Victory wrote:
No we don't. We have a state religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_King dom#Religion
We have a state religion by virtue of our Queen being the Head of the Church of England.
However, unlike other countries that have a state religion, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus and any other Christian denomination are treated no less than those who follow the Church of England.
We have a state religion in name only, the freedom to worship which ever god/gods you wish is just as strong in the UK as it is in the rest of Europe.
And besides, have you seen the advertisements for the Christian Party, who want to restore Christian values in British politics? No, we are an outdated and antiquated country that still has not entirely embraced secularism.
There are those kinds of people in every country. In France, the US, Germany, Italy and others there exist groups who want the country to be purely Christian run, but most people pay absolutly 0% attention to those people.
In fact to my knowledge, the only countries where the state religion actually affects the day to day lives of people are in middle eastern and north african countries.
On topic, my Area's virtually unchanged from previous years, with the Lib Dems losing one seat to the Tories. (Buckinghamshire) Were still blue :D
For queen and country! The BNP is finally making headway, God thank you! Maybe now you can end the scourge of multi-culturalism and end a soaring crime rate CAUSED SOLELY BY NON WHITE FOREIGNERS WHO ARE JUST IN BRITAIN TO WORK AND LIVE PEACEFULLY!!! NOT! Good luck on finally voting for actual freedom Great Britain, the pussy ass left is crying right now!
At 6/6/09 07:22 PM, TightRope wrote: For queen and country!
Aye because the queen dose so much for your good self!
God thank you!
LMAO
CAUSED SOLELY BY NON WHITE FOREIGNERS WHO ARE JUST IN BRITAIN TO WORK AND LIVE PEACEFULLY!!! NOT!
Oh shit I want to go back to a time where their was no crime because their were no foreigners. Except a crime-less period in the history of this country never existed. Damn man are you sure its caused solely by the non whites? Those Irish foreigners get accused of all sorts but their white so its ok is that right?
You FAIL at shit-stirring :P
At 6/6/09 07:32 PM, Jon-86 wrote:At 6/6/09 07:22 PM, TightRope wrote: For queen and country!Aye because the queen dose so much for your good self!
God thank you!LMAO
CAUSED SOLELY BY NON WHITE FOREIGNERS WHO ARE JUST IN BRITAIN TO WORK AND LIVE PEACEFULLY!!! NOT!Oh shit I want to go back to a time where their was no crime because their were no foreigners. Except a crime-less period in the history of this country never existed. Damn man are you sure its caused solely by the non whites? Those Irish foreigners get accused of all sorts but their white so its ok is that right?
You FAIL at shit-stirring :P
John, you were already ground into the dirt by victory who proved to you that Muslims have proven to be nothing but an issue in Great Britain, are you ready to take a cock in both your holes or will you learn that you fucking fail at arguing?
As well, the queen and country thing was sarcasm, detect it!
At 6/6/09 07:50 PM, TightRope wrote: John, you were already ground into the dirt by victory who proved to you that Muslims have proven to be nothing but an issue in Great Britain
But Muslims in general are not the problem. Its only a perceived problem from fundamentalists
At 6/6/09 12:45 PM, Victory wrote:At 6/6/09 12:22 PM, Jon-86 wrote: The vast majority of Muslims living here enjoy the English or Scottish culture and are happy with the freedoms they have.I agree. I have mates who are Muslims.
Learn to notice al the points before you base your point on someone else's!
As well, the queen and country thing was sarcasm, detect it!
Thats not sarcasm I honestly thing your a royal loving unionist. Thats the mentality of the BNP sunshine. Maggie Thatcher was their wanking material ten years ago. Dose the old cow still get you going?
At 6/6/09 08:06 PM, Victory wrote:At 6/6/09 07:50 PM, TightRope wrote: John, you were already ground into the dirt by victory who proved to you that Muslims have proven to be nothing but an issue in Great Britain,Yeah, that's precisely what I said wasn't it.
/facepalm.
TightRope fails twice as hard lol... No make that three times for spelling my name wrong!
well now maybe Britain will get its balls back and do something about the mosques that preach extremism and and lift the gun control.
At 6/6/09 12:08 PM, Jon-86 wrote: Someone made a point that Islamic law would effect them. I pointed out that it has no effect on them unless they themselves are Muslims.
Personally, I can see a lot of danger in the concept of letting a subculture in your nation set up their own court system. it may start simple enough, a little building where muslims can agree to arbitration by a sharia judge to settle civil matters. Eventually they'll also want to handle criminal matters in their own neighborhoods. That is when things will get out of hand. Once some punk non muslim kid decides to start a little trouble in a muslim section of town and ends up losing a hand or being strung up. That is when shit would hit the proverbial fan.
I'm not crazy, everyone else is.
At 6/7/09 12:45 AM, Korriken wrote: That is when things will get out of hand. Once some punk non muslim kid decides to start a little trouble in a muslim section of town and ends up losing a hand or being strung up. That is when shit would hit the proverbial fan.
That is paranoia! Sharia law would be used alongside common law and civil law. It would not replace them. Read up on what Sharia law is actually about. To be honest our own legal system was just as brutal only a hundred or so years ago!
Britain is so PC towards muslims ever since the Sub way attacks. any who the UK is a perfect example of a Nanny State its not funny.
At 6/7/09 05:05 AM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: Britain is so PC towards muslims ever since the Sub way attacks. any who the UK is a perfect example of a Nanny State its not funny.
The UK was a nanny state way before that. And those subway attacks were carried out by idiots. If I done that because "my people were oppressed by the English" would that mean all the Scots should be booted out of the UK? That seems to be what the view towards Muslims seems to be!
Also just to dispel the legal myth here... In a legal dispute both sides can freely choose a Sharia court rather than taking a matter before the official courts. This is nothing new as the Jewish beth din court has been recognized in England for over 100 years. Neither party in the dispute can be forced into arbitration by a Sharia or a Jewish court. The option is freely theirs to make.
Similarly if I was doing a bit of freelance programming. In the contract I always have the condition that any dispute will be settled in a Scottish court under Scottish law, which differs from English law and I know Scottish law better!
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