Stem Cell Research

[Freakapotimus]

Monday July 23 7:38 AM ET

Pope Warns Bush of 'Evils' of Stem-Cell Research
By Philip Pullella

CASTELGANDOLFO, Italy (Reuters) - Pope John Paul (news - web sites) on Monday warned George W. Bush of the ``evils'' of stem-cell research, as the U.S. president deliberates over whether to permit federal funding for such work.

After a 35-minute private meeting in the Pope's summer residence in Castelgandolfo, a town perched above a lake in the Alban hills about 12 miles south of Rome, the Pope and Bush gave brief speeches.

In a strong voice, the 81-year-old pontiff warned Bush of ''evils such as euthanasia, infanticide and, most recently, proposals for the creation for research purposes of human embryos, destined to destruction in the process.''

Bush is currently grappling with a decision on whether to permit federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research. He said last week he was still studying the issue, and needed to hear all sides and fully understand the ramifications.

Advocates believe research with embryonic stem cells, the early master cells formed soon after a human egg is fertilized, could lead to medical advances.

Opponents, including the Roman Catholic Church, condemn research that destroys human embryos.

The aging pontiff also took the opportunity to speak out against the death penalty, which Bush supports.

``A free and virtuous society, which America aspires to be, must reject practices that devalue and violate human life at any stage from conception until natural death,'' he said.

During Bush's six years as governor of Texas, the state carried out 152 executions, the highest rate in the United States.

Under his presidency, U.S. federal authorities resumed executions after a 38-year hiatus. Two men have been put to death.

BUSH STAYS AWAY FROM CONTROVERSY

Speaking to his wife Laura and daughter Barbara -- both clad in black and wearing mantillas for their meeting with Pope -- Bush said in the presence of journalists he had had a ``very good discussion'' with the pontiff.

The president, fresh from a Group of Eight summit in Genoa which was overshadowed by violence and the death of an anti-capitalist protester, avoided controversial issues.

``You have urged men and women of good will to take to their knees before God and to stand, unafraid, before tyrants,'' said Bush, who like the Pope gave his speech seated at a microphone.

``And this has added greatly to the momentum of freedom in our time.

``Where there is oppression you speak of human rights, where there is poverty you speak of justice and hope. Where there is ancient hatred, you defend and display a tolerance that reaches beyond every boundary of race and nation and belief,'' he said.

The Pope warned that many were excluded from the benefits of globalization. ''The church cannot but express profound concern that our world continues to be divided, no longer by the former political and military blocks, but by a tragic fault line between those who can benefit from these opportunities and those who seem cut off from them,'' said the Pope.

The Pope on Sunday condemned the violence in Genoa, saying it was not the right path to justice.

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 7/23/01 08:50 AM, Freakapotimus wrote: Monday July 23 7:38 AM ET

Pope Warns Bush of 'Evils' of Stem-Cell Research
By Philip Pullella

CASTELGANDOLFO, Italy (Reuters) - Pope John Paul (news - web sites) on Monday warned George W. Bush of the ``evils'' of stem-cell research, as the U.S. president deliberates over whether to permit federal funding for such work.

After a 35-minute private meeting in the Pope's summer residence in Castelgandolfo, a town perched above a lake in the Alban hills about 12 miles south of Rome, the Pope and Bush gave brief speeches.

In a strong voice, the 81-year-old pontiff warned Bush of ''evils such as euthanasia, infanticide and, most recently, proposals for the creation for research purposes of human embryos, destined to destruction in the process.''

The Embryos are dead anyway, nothing more than lifeless less husks, whenever possible it is far better that the dead benefit the living, Next the Pope will be speaking of the evils of organ donation which is essentially the same thing, Stem cell research can save many lives & rebuild broken lives, I don't see what is wrong with extraction useful material from Embryos that have already died.

Euthanasia should be a right of all people, it's fair enough that those who don't want it may refuse but nobody should ever deny the right to end suffering to those who feel they need it.

Abortion is acceptabe & sometimes even the only option in certain circumstance, A rape victim has the right to Abortion, If the child will have a severely poor quality of life then Abortian is the Humane option, If birth will result in death then Abortion is acceptable, but for anything other than those reasons Adoption is probably a better option, There was one woman who had an abortian only because she thought it may be a boy & she only wanted girls & in that case it's unacceptable.

Contraception, Well lets see John Paul live in Culcutta or Beijing & still try & tell us that contraception is evil.

[Ryu-Kage]

:The Embryos are dead anyway, nothing more than lifeless less husks, whenever possible it is far better that the dead benefit the living, Next the Pope will be speaking of the evils of organ donation which is essentially the same thing, Stem cell research can save many lives & rebuild broken lives, I don't see what is wrong with extraction useful material from Embryos that have already died.

Euthanasia should be a right of all people, it's fair enough that those who don't want it may refuse but nobody should ever deny the right to end suffering to those who feel they need it.

Abortion is acceptabe & sometimes even the only option in certain circumstance, A rape victim has the right to Abortion, If the child will have a severely poor quality of life then Abortian is the Humane option, If birth will result in death then Abortion is acceptable, but for anything other than those reasons Adoption is probably a better option, There was one woman who had an abortian only because she thought it may be a boy & she only wanted girls & in that case it's unacceptable.

Contraception, Well lets see John Paul live in Culcutta or Beijing & still try & tell us that contraception is evil.

Ditto.

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 7/23/01 08:50 AM, Freakapotimus wrote: Monday July 23 7:38 AM ET

Pope Warns Bush of 'Evils' of Stem-Cell Research
By Philip Pullella

CASTELGANDOLFO, Italy (Reuters) - Pope John Paul (news - web sites) on Monday warned George W. Bush of the ``evils'' of stem-cell research, as the U.S. president deliberates over whether to permit federal funding for such work.

After a 35-minute private meeting in the Pope's summer residence in Castelgandolfo, a town perched above a lake in the Alban hills about 12 miles south of Rome, the Pope and Bush gave brief speeches.

In a strong voice, the 81-year-old pontiff warned Bush of ''evils such as euthanasia, infanticide and, most recently, proposals for the creation for research purposes of human embryos, destined to destruction in the process.''

Bush is currently grappling with a decision on whether to permit federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research. He said last week he was still studying the issue, and needed to hear all sides and fully understand the ramifications.

Advocates believe research with embryonic stem cells, the early master cells formed soon after a human egg is fertilized, could lead to medical advances.

Opponents, including the Roman Catholic Church, condemn research that destroys human embryos.

The aging pontiff also took the opportunity to speak out against the death penalty, which Bush supports.

``A free and virtuous society, which America aspires to be, must reject practices that devalue and violate human life at any stage from conception until natural death,'' he said.

During Bush's six years as governor of Texas, the state carried out 152 executions, the highest rate in the United States.

Under his presidency, U.S. federal authorities resumed executions after a 38-year hiatus. Two men have been put to death.

BUSH STAYS AWAY FROM CONTROVERSY

Speaking to his wife Laura and daughter Barbara -- both clad in black and wearing mantillas for their meeting with Pope -- Bush said in the presence of journalists he had had a ``very good discussion'' with the pontiff.

The president, fresh from a Group of Eight summit in Genoa which was overshadowed by violence and the death of an anti-capitalist protester, avoided controversial issues.

``You have urged men and women of good will to take to their knees before God and to stand, unafraid, before tyrants,'' said Bush, who like the Pope gave his speech seated at a microphone.

``And this has added greatly to the momentum of freedom in our time.

``Where there is oppression you speak of human rights, where there is poverty you speak of justice and hope. Where there is ancient hatred, you defend and display a tolerance that reaches beyond every boundary of race and nation and belief,'' he said.

The Pope warned that many were excluded from the benefits of globalization. ''The church cannot but express profound concern that our world continues to be divided, no longer by the former political and military blocks, but by a tragic fault line between those who can benefit from these opportunities and those who seem cut off from them,'' said the Pope.

The Pope on Sunday condemned the violence in Genoa, saying it was not the right path to justice.

C'mon people, this desserves to be a hot topic.

[Freakapotimus]

At 7/30/01 11:03 AM, Pantomime_Horse wrote: C'mon people, this desserves to be a hot topic.

I agree, but I have been putting off my arguements until I can sit down and shoot out a well written and thoughtful post. I have a lot to say on the matter.

[LaserBeamBandit]

I thought that this country has something called the seperation of church and state. The is a religious controversy despite what they might say. Them sayin this is moraly wrong is just a way to say that it is against their religion. I am for embryo stem cell research. C'mon, how could you say that we are killing human lives, it's just a hunk of cells, a hunk of cells that could (definitely) help people. I heard some guy say we shouldn't do it because it is not absolutely known if it will help people, its a big quetion mark. Okay, that was just fucked up. How are we going to know if we do try and it is praboly (definitely) going to help people. Fuck all those opposers

[shorbe]

It's all about power, and power is all about hypocrisy. I really wouldn't get too surprised by the whole thing. Those in power have no vested interest in giving people control.

shorbe

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

The think we should use fetuses for research. They just go in the trash after abortions any way!

[reddeadrevolver]

At 8/13/01 12:48 PM, GameboyCC wrote: The think we should use fetuses for research. They just go in the trash after abortions any way!

I agree. Some Stem-Cell opposers are actually for abortion. What the fuck? How can you be for abortion, and not be for Stem Cell Research? Personally, I believe we should do it. The needs of the many outweigh those of the few. Therefore, a few people killed, to save thousands of people doesn't sound that bad to me.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 8/15/01 09:04 PM, Anti-You wrote:

At 8/13/01 12:48 PM, GameboyCC wrote: The think we should use fetuses for research. They just go in the trash after abortions any way!

I agree. Some Stem-Cell opposers are actually for abortion. What the fuck? How can you be for abortion, and not be for Stem Cell Research?

I know, you can't really be for one without the other...

Personally, I believe we should do it. The needs of the many outweigh those of the few. Therefore, a few people killed, to save thousands of people doesn't sound that bad to me.

Plus, there has been some debate on whether a fetus is living or not, so you may not have to kill a person... which makes it all the better!

[ToonHole]

Bush isn't my fault, I'm not old enough to vote.

Those elligible to vote last election should hang their heads in shame.

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 8/16/01 01:21 PM, Cide32 wrote: Bush isn't my fault, I'm not old enough to vote.

Those elligible to vote last election should hang their heads in shame.

Here voting is compulsory from age 18, Compulsory voting makes more sense, that way it really is the People's fault if they like the other party better, America should have compulsory voting, when voting isn't compulsory the general population get blase & don't bother to vote & as a result only right wingers & looneys vote, It was funny just this last US Election, after it all these people came out of the woodwork & said "Oh I wish I voted now" "I wouldn't have voted for him", if it were compulsory to vote that wouldn't have happened.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 8/16/01 01:21 PM, Cide32 wrote: Bush isn't my fault, I'm not old enough to vote.

Those elligible to vote last election should hang their heads in shame.

I agree, if you conciously filled out a ballot and actual voted for that guy, you might want to take a trip to the doctor...

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 8/17/01 09:39 AM, GameboyCC wrote:

At 8/16/01 01:21 PM, Cide32 wrote: Bush isn't my fault, I'm not old enough to vote.

Those elligible to vote last election should hang their heads in shame.

I agree, if you conciously filled out a ballot and actual voted for that guy, you might want to take a trip to the doctor...

Unless your last name happens to be Bush or Cheney or you own an oil comapany.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 8/17/01 09:54 AM, Anarchypenguin wrote:

At 8/17/01 09:39 AM, GameboyCC wrote:

At 8/16/01 01:21 PM, Cide32 wrote: Bush isn't my fault, I'm not old enough to vote.

Those elligible to vote last election should hang their heads in shame.

I agree, if you conciously filled out a ballot and actual voted for that guy, you might want to take a trip to the doctor...

Unless your last name happens to be Bush or Cheney or you own an oil comapany.

I guess that would be true...

[shorbe]

Pantomime: Compulsory voting is just as bad for other reasons. Fistly, it's not democratic to MAKE people vote, especially if there's no one they like. I personally despise all of the politicians in our country, which is why I register an informal vote every time.

Furthermore, it doesn't make it a better system. What happens is you exchange "right wingers" and "looneys" of whom you speak with a generally dull and stupid populace who know nothing and vote on a knee jerk basis. Compulsory attendance does not overcome apathy or ignorance, which may actually be more harmful than extremists.

Our system is no better than any other, otherwise we would get better politicians, have a better society, and be copied by everyone else. As it is though, we are the anomoly. Perhaps that says something. By making it compulsory though, we seem to justify the system's necessity because of 100% participation, which is a circular argument.

shorbe

[Redhotchilis]

Seperation of Church and state... It says so in the constitution. Stem cell research is not murder. These are microscopic embryos, not living human beings. Also, they're going to be thrown out anyway; if you believe that using them is murder, it's also murder to throw them out. Whose life would you rather preserve: someone's younger brother who's dying of diabetes, or a microscopic embryo that's going to be thrown out anyway...

[ThunderBolt2001]

At 8/13/01 12:48 PM, GameboyCC wrote: The think we should use fetuses for research. They just go in the trash after abortions any way!

I agree. On the O'Reily Factor(no clue why I was watching it), this basturd says that it's 'not natural' for embryos to be used to make human beings and(or) use to make body parts(if you lose an arm they can make a new one and attach it to you). Well that basturd should think of all the women that get pregnate without sex. Geting pregnate without sex isn't natural and it doesn't have any benifits to a person that lost a limb or has an incureable disease. In conclusion, I think that they should fund embryo research and that the O'Reily Factor is retarded and should be taken off the air.

-ThunderBolt2001

P.S. O'Reily is reffered to as basturd in this post.