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At 6/2/09 09:18 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 6/2/09 08:02 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: I DO PUT FREAKIN' EFFORT INTO MY MUSIC, I JUST CURRENTLY AM BUSY AND DECIDED TO SUBMIT THIS, OUTSIDE OF NG I AM AMUSICIAN GUITARS AND LEAD SINGER FOR MY BAND!!!!

why?

if you're capable of creating your own music, why would you bother uploading something you didn't really create?

Because as I've said, I don't have time, I made that song over 6 months ago (music 3000 one) I jut thought it would be a nice ediiton to NG, where I assumed everyone had a chance, obviously its not to be...

At 6/2/09 08:02 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

At 6/2/09 07:52 PM, Zooloo75 wrote: I listened to the song, it was okay.
But if your not willing to put time into your music and just put premade loops together, then well your not any better than the kids at my school that go on jamglue and think they are "gangstas" putting random rap songs together calling themselves "pimp dj's" when they don't even know what a real DJ does.

Seriously, if your just going to put loops together, just let your friends listen to it or put it on myspace. The Audio Portal is a place for original work made by people that put effort into composing their music.

So please, be creative.

I'm getting pretty darn pissed!!!

I DO PUT FREAKIN' EFFORT INTO MY MUSIC, I JUST CURRENTLY AM BUSY AND DECIDED TO SUBMIT THIS, OUTSIDE OF NG I AM AMUSICIAN GUITARS AND LEAD SINGER FOR MY BAND!!!!

dude your argument is meaningless.

noone really cares what you are outside of newgrounds- they care how much effort you put into the stuff ON newgrounds - if you don't like it - leave the site and pursue real-world ambitions that will actually get you somewhere in life.

i think that everyone here can afford to chill out some. so he used pre made loops, he obviously didn't understand the normal conduct here on newgrounds, there's absolutely no need to respond with such hostility. it makes me wonder how many potentially talented musicians have been shooed away from the AP by pricks with that holier-than-thou attitude. everyone just relax, he's just a guy who wanted to share some music with other people, it's what we all want to do

I used to use it all the time on my friends PS2, but it's pretty shit.

At 6/2/09 10:45 PM, vanguard182 wrote: wisdom

I literally couldn't agree more.

At 6/2/09 01:54 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: Oh and when I said I meant FL Studio takes longer, I mean I can't put the time into creating songs

Well then don't bother writing music if you can't put the time in.

At 6/2/09 06:48 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:34 PM, MICHhimself wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:28 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:23 PM, nathanallenpinard wrote:

Oh and when I said I meant FL Studio takes longer, I mean I can't put the time into creating songs

Wow. Did I just read that?

Its most likley that you did seemsing as you quoted it :3

Nathan is shocked. Making music is something you should be putting time into, if you want to do it well. If you just want to go and make a bit of music for an hour when you're bored... well then find something else to do. Music isn't something just as a quick passtime or anything.

Maybe you have fun by dragging loops and samples together; well that is fine. Use that as a bit of passtime, but then don't call it making music. At least not with us around. :p

Most people on here are just serious about their music, so you might want to watch what things you say. ;)

Most people... So are you suggesting I'm not serious about music?

I've already recorded 4 Singles with my actual band, and we've now got onto our 3rd Gig sometime during the summer. The fact is when I say I don't have time, I mean that the software is irratible and the fact that I have school, and my band to play with, I see no point in wasting time creating tons of riffs. Besides I never said I DON'T use FL Studio, I said I don't have time for it, I've made a ton of songs on it before, so why would now be any different.

Why don´t u submit the band songs and the fl studio songs and keep the music 3000 things for yourself. BTW the AP doesn´t care if you may use it legally, it is and stays premade loops music.
Which is not allowed. Also i begun with premade loop arranger software, read the rules, didn´t submit it, tried fl studio and now i can just submit any songs i make with FL. It feels better to submit bad music you made yourself then submit good music you didn´t make.

At 6/3/09 12:55 AM, jarrydn wrote:

At 6/2/09 10:45 PM, vanguard182 wrote: wisdom

I literally couldn't agree more.

What?! There have been several posts saying that they aren't trying to be asses and just trying to set him straight, if anything he's been the hostile one :/ This guy hasn't been deterred, he's been encouraged to move on to bigger and better things, aka. a proper DAW. How can you say that everyones being an ass to him just by stating, clarifying and justifying what is said in the rules.

At 6/2/09 10:45 PM, vanguard182 wrote: i think that everyone here can afford to chill out some. so he used pre made loops, he obviously didn't understand the normal conduct here on newgrounds, there's absolutely no need to respond with such hostility. it makes me wonder how many potentially talented musicians have been shooed away from the AP by pricks with that holier-than-thou attitude. everyone just relax, he's just a guy who wanted to share some music with other people, it's what we all want to do

All what I am really trying to say here is that I have no problem with him arranging loops. I'm just explaining to him that music made that way is not allowed on Newgrounds. If a lot of people would use these programs, you would hear even more similar sounding songs on the Audio Portal. Because obviously some people will use the same loops.

When you write your music yourself, meaning you write the notes, the drum patterns and everything yourself, and arragnge thàt, it will sound original. Which is what Newgrounds strives for.

Also, to the topic starter: Why don't you want to upload songs of your band? I'm sure we would aprpeciate that far more than loop-arrangements.

Anyway, good luck with it, I hope you understand Newgrounds' policy a bit better.

Anyway, good luck with it, I hope you understand Newgrounds' policy a bit better.

I understand all that your saying, I just submited it because NG's rules were unclear, it said your own original content, I mean I made the song and stuff so surely thats original, or so I thought...

Oh, hi thar.

Yeah, you said somewhere along this... uuh.. discussion that you thought FL8 was irritable. Since you say youre in a "real" band and whatnot, I suggest you get an app like Cubase or Audition, that will allow you to record your guitars and vocals.

Or just go and get a tracker like Renoise or EnergyXT2.

Listened to your song on youtube btw. And you claimed you put hours into it. Well see, most people here put days into songs in order to perfect the composition, mixing, etc. I put about 120 hours of work into the remake of UE2. Not to say that I'm better or worse... Just saying we're as real as your band, sir.

At 6/3/09 12:19 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

Anyway, good luck with it, I hope you understand Newgrounds' policy a bit better.

I understand all that your saying, I just submited it because NG's rules were unclear, it said your own original content, I mean I made the song and stuff so surely thats original, or so I thought...

But it's NOT original, I don't see why you think it would be.

You didn't record the guitar or the vocals, someone else did. Just re-arranging someone else's recording isn't 'original'

That's so true. I haven't even released my Neo Classical piece yet because I've had to deal with the mixing and I haven't been completely satisfied with it. It's been a works-in-progress for almost six months now with many changes.

At 6/3/09 12:36 PM, Lashmush wrote: Oh, hi thar.

Yeah, you said somewhere along this... uuh.. discussion that you thought FL8 was irritable. Since you say youre in a "real" band and whatnot, I suggest you get an app like Cubase or Audition, that will allow you to record your guitars and vocals.

Or just go and get a tracker like Renoise or EnergyXT2.

Listened to your song on youtube btw. And you claimed you put hours into it. Well see, most people here put days into songs in order to perfect the composition, mixing, etc. I put about 120 hours of work into the remake of UE2. Not to say that I'm better or worse... Just saying we're as real as your band, sir.

That song on YT wasn't my band, I made it on Music 3000

My bands song is somewhere on that sill Channel BETA thingy, its called Still Waiting by Uncertanty, I plan to release on CD and MP3 soon... :D

For my bands songs it can take me weeks till I get it rght and how I want it :D

At 6/3/09 12:52 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 6/3/09 12:19 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

Anyway, good luck with it, I hope you understand Newgrounds' policy a bit better.

I understand all that your saying, I just submited it because NG's rules were unclear, it said your own original content, I mean I made the song and stuff so surely thats original, or so I thought...

But it's NOT original, I don't see why you think it would be.

You didn't record the guitar or the vocals, someone else did. Just re-arranging someone else's recording isn't 'original'

But I rearranged it out of royalty free samples, something which also I could have done myself on guitar but have insufficent equipment for recording that song, at least I'm being honest, I could have just recorded the whole thing my self and said it was all my work, no one would have known///

At 6/3/09 04:35 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: But I rearranged it out of royalty free samples, something which also I could have done myself on guitar but have insufficent equipment for recording that song, at least I'm being honest, I could have just recorded the whole thing my self and said it was all my work, no one would have known///

The fact they're royalty-free doesn't change anything about the problem with NG, sadly. :p

I am glad you're honest though. Anyway, you know what to invest in, I guess. ;)

At 6/3/09 04:50 PM, MICHhimself wrote:

At 6/3/09 04:35 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: But I rearranged it out of royalty free samples, something which also I could have done myself on guitar but have insufficent equipment for recording that song, at least I'm being honest, I could have just recorded the whole thing my self and said it was all my work, no one would have known///

The fact they're royalty-free doesn't change anything about the problem with NG, sadly. :p

I am glad you're honest though. Anyway, you know what to invest in, I guess.

I know, I know... I just get the feeling that I've been banned, I really don't wana start again, is there anyway of asking NG to allow me to reporidce music, also do they tell you?

Its been at least a day since I posted every smile and still no reesponse, its just "Awaiting Approval"

At 6/3/09 04:56 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

At 6/3/09 04:50 PM, MICHhimself wrote:

At 6/3/09 04:35 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: But I rearranged it out of royalty free samples, something which also I could have done myself on guitar but have insufficent equipment for recording that song, at least I'm being honest, I could have just recorded the whole thing my self and said it was all my work, no one would have known///

The fact they're royalty-free doesn't change anything about the problem with NG, sadly. :p

I am glad you're honest though. Anyway, you know what to invest in, I guess.

I know, I know... I just get the feeling that I've been banned, I really don't wana start again, is there anyway of asking NG to allow me to reporidce music, also do they tell you?

Its been at least a day since I posted every smile and still no reesponse, its just "Awaiting Approval"

A good way to check if you were banned is simply trying to submit an other song.
And anyway, IF you are banned, there's no way to un-ban you (at least not by a moderator).
So the best option then would be to create a new account, and submit legit music on there.

Also, don't worry just yet, as approval normally takes a bit longer than a day, unless you're very lucky. ;-)

A good way to check if you were banned is simply trying to submit an other song.
And anyway, IF you are banned, there's no way to un-ban you (at least not by a moderator).
So the best option then would be to create a new account, and submit legit music on there.

Also, don't worry just yet, as approval normally takes a bit longer than a day, unless you're very lucky. ;-)

Ok well once again thanks for the help on all of this, its greatly appreciated, I'm guessing that if I'm banned from the AP I;l be banned from the FP too right? If so I'll probably start again, so fingers crossed that I'm still gona get through :D

At 6/3/09 05:20 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: Ok well once again thanks for the help on all of this, its greatly appreciated, I'm guessing that if I'm banned from the AP I;l be banned from the FP too right? If so I'll probably start again, so fingers crossed that I'm still gona get through :D

Don't worry, you won't be banned from the Flash portal, it's a total different thing.
You're welcome for the help =)

After listening to the piece, I deem the piece original. Why? Because it's not just loops, it's also vocals. The minute he started singing made it original. The loops themselves I viewed as being just a fake band that he didn't have access to.

It would be different if it was just that, but there's vocals on there. That's like me taking Stylus RMX and Omnisphere, and layering strings.

At 6/3/09 06:10 PM, nathanallenpinard wrote: After listening to the piece, I deem the piece original. Why? Because it's not just loops, it's also vocals. The minute he started singing made it original. The loops themselves I viewed as being just a fake band that he didn't have access to.

It would be different if it was just that, but there's vocals on there. That's like me taking Stylus RMX and Omnisphere, and layering strings.

Um, what am I missing here? I can't hear it because there is nothing there.
Didn't the OP say he ALSO used lyrical samples? That makes it even less original as far as I can see it.
But thank you for your "deeming".

So... the lesson we learned today was??

A. You can't use premade loops.
B. People will respect you (maybe) if you actually write your music instead of re-arranging someone elses work.
C. Reading submission policies are good when you don't want to get a foot up your ass.

:TLDR;

:Expert troll 9/10

Um, what am I missing here? I can't hear it because there is nothing there.
Didn't the OP say he ALSO used lyrical samples? That makes it even less original as far as I can see it.
But thank you for your "deeming".

My bad, I thought the vocals were original, because they didn't exactly sound professional either.

At 6/4/09 10:55 AM, nathanallenpinard wrote:

Um, what am I missing here? I can't hear it because there is nothing there.
Didn't the OP say he ALSO used lyrical samples? That makes it even less original as far as I can see it.
But thank you for your "deeming".

My bad, I thought the vocals were original, because they didn't exactly sound professional either.

I'm a lead singer for my band, I guess I could redo it with my own vocals, thought I'm probably banned now anyway :(