Do you use Music 3000?

[Jimtendo64]

Why Hallo there :D

I'm Jimtendo as you can see, and completely new so I wanted to get know the community a bit better :)

Simple question really, I recently joined, and thought I might consider posting some of my music I composed here, I did it all in a piece of PS2 Software called Music 3000, so my question to you is do any of you use or have ever played Music 3000 and your views on it.

I also think it would be interesting to know if instead any of you use Music 2000, the game which started the craze released on PS1 back in 1999

Also to note in the US it is most likley called the following

Music 2000 = Funkmaster Flex's Digital Hitz Factory
Music 3000 = MTV Music Generator

There was even more in the Music/MTV series so please do share your views

Thanks :3

[loansindi]

I've heard of this software once.

My impression is that it's fairly worthless as a music composition tool.

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 01:01 PM, loansindi wrote: I've heard of this software once.

My impression is that it's fairly worthless as a music composition tool.

It can take a longggg time to open up all the possibilties involved, and a large amount of manual and internet guide reading, but from my first composition (hopefully soon to be approved) called Every Smile, you'll see that you can make some pretty decent tunes

[loansindi]

At 6/2/09 01:17 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: It can take a longggg time to open up all the possibilties involved, and a large amount of manual and internet guide reading, but from my first composition (hopefully soon to be approved) called Every Smile, you'll see that you can make some pretty decent tunes

Isn't it just a tool for arranging samples, rather than composing? Generally, uploading works that consist entirely (or even almost entirely) of samples from such programs, with little to no original addition, will get you banned from the AP.

Now, if my brief reading has completely misled me, by all means, correct me. But I'm somewhat doubtful it has.

[itsfoxhall]

I had Music gen for psone and ps2, all it is, is pre-recorded loops, and unless you had a mic for your ps2 there wasn't much you can do with it.

If you want to make music its a fun one to kind of get an idea of how to put loops together tempo changes etc but yeah get a real music programe, FL8, Reason etc

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 01:20 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 6/2/09 01:17 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: It can take a longggg time to open up all the possibilties involved, and a large amount of manual and internet guide reading, but from my first composition (hopefully soon to be approved) called Every Smile, you'll see that you can make some pretty decent tunes

Isn't it just a tool for arranging samples, rather than composing? Generally, uploading works that consist entirely (or even almost entirely) of samples from such programs, with little to no original addition, will get you banned from the AP.

Now, if my brief reading has completely misled me, by all means, correct me. But I'm somewhat doubtful it has.

Acctually to some extent you are correct, there is a large arangment of samples that can be used, but also there is a feature that allows composing of your own riffs, its very complicated to use and almost not worth the bother, my Every Smile song mostly uses Lyrical samples, as I didn't feel it nessary to record my own.

[loansindi]

At 6/2/09 01:26 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: Acctually to some extent you are correct, there is a large arangment of samples that can be used, but also there is a feature that allows composing of your own riffs, its very complicated to use and almost not worth the bother, my Every Smile song mostly uses Lyrical samples, as I didn't feel it nessary to record my own.

If you're genuinely interested in music production, I strongly encourage you to investigate some real software. Look around the forum and you'll find some real information.

And I definitely suggest you don't submit that song. It might slip through, or you might lose submission rights.

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 01:32 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 6/2/09 01:26 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: Acctually to some extent you are correct, there is a large arangment of samples that can be used, but also there is a feature that allows composing of your own riffs, its very complicated to use and almost not worth the bother, my Every Smile song mostly uses Lyrical samples, as I didn't feel it nessary to record my own.

If you're genuinely interested in music production, I strongly encourage you to investigate some real software. Look around the forum and you'll find some real information.

And I definitely suggest you don't submit that song. It might slip through, or you might lose submission rights.

Ok, I have given FL Studio 8 a try, just takes a LOT more time.

I've already submitted the song so we'll see how it goes, tbh, I don't see how I can get into trouble for what I did, the samples aren't from proper songs, there just a mixture off different drum beats and guitar chords, surely those aren't prosecutable?

Also what is the worst case scenrio for the song? Can I be fined?

[loansindi]

At 6/2/09 01:35 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: I've already submitted the song so we'll see how it goes, tbh, I don't see how I can get into trouble for what I did, the samples aren't from proper songs, there just a mixture off different drum beats and guitar chords, surely those aren't prosecutable?

If the mod who reviews your submission decides it sounds like you took a bunch of premade loops and stuck them together, you'll be banned. That's frowned upon here, as it's not really an original creation of music.

Also what is the worst case scenrio for the song? Can I be fined?

No, if it's rejected you'll be banned from submitting audio on the account you used to submit the piece, and you'd have to create a new account to try again.

As for FL studio taking longer... duh. It's actually a piece of software that allows you to create music.

[Jimtendo64]

Also what is the worst case scenrio for the song? Can I be fined?

No, if it's rejected you'll be banned from submitting audio on the account you used to submit the piece, and you'd have to create a new account to try again.

As for FL studio taking longer... duh. It's actually a piece of software that allows you to create music.

Ok thanks for the help

Oh and when I said I meant FL Studio takes longer, I mean I can't put the time into creating songs

[Khuskan]

When you release a track on to NG, you agree that all the samples are used within license. Read up on the licensing of the software and see how it lets you use the samples.

If the samples are licensed under the identical Creative Commons license to NG (Share alike, Attribution) or are free to use, then you can use them in NG tracks on the SOLE CONDITION that you don't simply upload individual samples, unedited, and claim them as your own work. This is a very shady area though, I seriously wouldn't recommend uploading a track you make with this software because it is likely that audio mods will see it as prefabricated loops and ban you regardless of the license - Generally, audio producers here use... uh... more professional gear.

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 04:13 PM, Khuskan wrote: When you release a track on to NG, you agree that all the samples are used within license. Read up on the licensing of the software and see how it lets you use the samples.

If the samples are licensed under the identical Creative Commons license to NG (Share alike, Attribution) or are free to use, then you can use them in NG tracks on the SOLE CONDITION that you don't simply upload individual samples, unedited, and claim them as your own work. This is a very shady area though, I seriously wouldn't recommend uploading a track you make with this software because it is likely that audio mods will see it as prefabricated loops and ban you regardless of the license - Generally, audio producers here use... uh... more professional gear.

Ok thanks for explaining it all, also I checked up on the manual, he's some sections

"Royalty Free Liscense

Subject to the limitations detailed herein, you are hereby granted a worldwider royalty free revocable licence to make and creat musical or video works using Music 3000"

Infact it gets better

"You are also entitled to sell, distribute and/or publish any music or video works which include, incoportare, or use Jester Materials but do not under any circumstances include, incorparate, or Third Parrty Materials"

Basically to sum up, all the audio samples are used in Every Smile are perfectly legit, and I actually have the right to selll and distribute them, judging by this it should pass inspections right?

[nathanallenpinard]

Oh and when I said I meant FL Studio takes longer, I mean I can't put the time into creating songs

Wow. Did I just read that?

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 06:23 PM, nathanallenpinard wrote:

Oh and when I said I meant FL Studio takes longer, I mean I can't put the time into creating songs

Wow. Did I just read that?

Its most likley that you did seemsing as you quoted it :3

[btriangle]

Never heard of it. Nonetheless im happy with the software i am currently using, which is Logic pro 8.

[Mich]

At 6/2/09 06:28 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:23 PM, nathanallenpinard wrote:

Oh and when I said I meant FL Studio takes longer, I mean I can't put the time into creating songs

Wow. Did I just read that?

Its most likley that you did seemsing as you quoted it :3

Nathan is shocked. Making music is something you should be putting time into, if you want to do it well. If you just want to go and make a bit of music for an hour when you're bored... well then find something else to do. Music isn't something just as a quick passtime or anything.

Maybe you have fun by dragging loops and samples together; well that is fine. Use that as a bit of passtime, but then don't call it making music. At least not with us around. :p

Most people on here are just serious about their music, so you might want to watch what things you say. ;)

[loansindi]

At 6/2/09 06:07 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: judging by this it should pass inspections right?

unless the mod decides it sounds like you made the song out of premade loops with no original content. if that's the case, you'll still be banned.

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 06:35 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:07 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: judging by this it should pass inspections right?

unless the mod decides it sounds like you made the song out of premade loops with no original content. if that's the case, you'll still be banned.

Surely I should be able to argue my case, if you saw, in the instructions it states I'm legally aloud to sell the music.

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 06:34 PM, MICHhimself wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:28 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:23 PM, nathanallenpinard wrote:

Oh and when I said I meant FL Studio takes longer, I mean I can't put the time into creating songs

Wow. Did I just read that?

Its most likley that you did seemsing as you quoted it :3

Nathan is shocked. Making music is something you should be putting time into, if you want to do it well. If you just want to go and make a bit of music for an hour when you're bored... well then find something else to do. Music isn't something just as a quick passtime or anything.

Maybe you have fun by dragging loops and samples together; well that is fine. Use that as a bit of passtime, but then don't call it making music. At least not with us around. :p

Most people on here are just serious about their music, so you might want to watch what things you say. ;)

Most people... So are you suggesting I'm not serious about music?

I've already recorded 4 Singles with my actual band, and we've now got onto our 3rd Gig sometime during the summer. The fact is when I say I don't have time, I mean that the software is irratible and the fact that I have school, and my band to play with, I see no point in wasting time creating tons of riffs. Besides I never said I DON'T use FL Studio, I said I don't have time for it, I've made a ton of songs on it before, so why would now be any different.

[Mich]

At 6/2/09 06:46 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:35 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:07 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: judging by this it should pass inspections right?

unless the mod decides it sounds like you made the song out of premade loops with no original content. if that's the case, you'll still be banned.

Surely I should be able to argue my case, if you saw, in the instructions it states I'm legally aloud to sell the music.

Maybe that is so in the rules of the program. The rules of the Newgrounds Audio portal are something else though. You're only allowed to submit you're own, original work in here; which means (not limited to) : don't just make a song with loops you dragged together. You didn't make the loops, so it's not your work. It's a duplo song then.

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 06:48 PM, MICHhimself wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:46 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:35 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:07 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: judging by this it should pass inspections right?

unless the mod decides it sounds like you made the song out of premade loops with no original content. if that's the case, you'll still be banned.

Surely I should be able to argue my case, if you saw, in the instructions it states I'm legally aloud to sell the music.

Maybe that is so in the rules of the program. The rules of the Newgrounds Audio portal are something else though. You're only allowed to submit you're own, original work in here; which means (not limited to) : don't just make a song with loops you dragged together. You didn't make the loops, so it's not your work. It's a duplo song then.

What the hell!!!

Maybe they should make that a bit clearer, I simply chose some sections, added them around and then created my song, it took me several hours to create. And more to the point, if I'm legally aloud to distrtibute it due to terms of service then seriously, why can't I distribute on NG?

I'm trying to help Flash animators, If I really wanted to be a greedy ass I could put it up for sale on 7Digital or similar music sale sites, if I'm aloud to distribute the files by law, and I'm trying to help people, why the hell won't they except the song?

Also how long does it take, I've been waiting several hours and still no approval DX

[Mich]

At 6/2/09 06:55 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: What the hell!!!

Maybe they should make that a bit clearer, I simply chose some sections, added them around and then created my song, it took me several hours to create. And more to the point, if I'm legally aloud to distrtibute it due to terms of service then seriously, why can't I distribute on NG?

I'm trying to help Flash animators, If I really wanted to be a greedy ass I could put it up for sale on 7Digital or similar music sale sites, if I'm aloud to distribute the files by law, and I'm trying to help people, why the hell won't they except the song?

accept*
If flash animators would want music like that, they could just as easy make it themselves, as it doesn't take much effort or technical skill anyway.

Also how long does it take, I've been waiting several hours and still no approval DX

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/8565 15

[LK412]

At 6/2/09 06:48 PM, MICHhimself wrote:

Maybe that is so in the rules of the program. The rules of the Newgrounds Audio portal are something else though. You're only allowed to submit you're own, original work in here; which means (not limited to) : don't just make a song with loops you dragged together. You didn't make the loops, so it's not your work. It's a duplo song then.

There was a thread like this before, and i still think its the dumbest rule on NG. I mean who cares if they are using loops. I doubt it will ever get front page and i doubt an flash animator would want to use it. The creator just wants to put it up for fun. How is that wrong?

[Mich]

At 6/2/09 07:05 PM, LK412 wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:48 PM, MICHhimself wrote:

Maybe that is so in the rules of the program. The rules of the Newgrounds Audio portal are something else though. You're only allowed to submit you're own, original work in here; which means (not limited to) : don't just make a song with loops you dragged together. You didn't make the loops, so it's not your work. It's a duplo song then.

There was a thread like this before, and i still think its the dumbest rule on NG. I mean who cares if they are using loops.
I doubt it will ever get front page and i doubt an flash animator would want to use it.

^ This. I wouldn't be too sure about that nowadays.
The creator just wants to put it up for fun. How is that wrong?
As it's not the author's original work, and newgrounds is just made for your own original work.
Otherwise we'd turn into Ebaumsworld.

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 07:04 PM, MICHhimself wrote:

At 6/2/09 06:55 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: What the hell!!!

Maybe they should make that a bit clearer, I simply chose some sections, added them around and then created my song, it took me several hours to create. And more to the point, if I'm legally aloud to distrtibute it due to terms of service then seriously, why can't I distribute on NG?

I'm trying to help Flash animators, If I really wanted to be a greedy ass I could put it up for sale on 7Digital or similar music sale sites, if I'm aloud to distribute the files by law, and I'm trying to help people, why the hell won't they except the song?

accept*
If flash animators would want music like that, they could just as easy make it themselves, as it doesn't take much effort or technical skill anyway.

Also how long does it take, I've been waiting several hours and still no approval DX

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/8565 15

I don't think you understand it took me a long time to make, and needed a good rhythm etc. Not anyone could do it, besides I'm trying to help them save time...

If you'd actually like to hear I posted it on YouTube here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYesICj3O 0g

Also thanks for showing me the subbmission thing, I should imagine its been a busy day, so hopefully it will be availble tommorow

[Zooloo75]

I listened to the song, it was okay.
But if your not willing to put time into your music and just put premade loops together, then well your not any better than the kids at my school that go on jamglue and think they are "gangstas" putting random rap songs together calling themselves "pimp dj's" when they don't even know what a real DJ does.

Seriously, if your just going to put loops together, just let your friends listen to it or put it on myspace. The Audio Portal is a place for original work made by people that put effort into composing their music.

So please, be creative.

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 07:52 PM, Zooloo75 wrote: I listened to the song, it was okay.
But if your not willing to put time into your music and just put premade loops together, then well your not any better than the kids at my school that go on jamglue and think they are "gangstas" putting random rap songs together calling themselves "pimp dj's" when they don't even know what a real DJ does.

Seriously, if your just going to put loops together, just let your friends listen to it or put it on myspace. The Audio Portal is a place for original work made by people that put effort into composing their music.

So please, be creative.

I'm getting pretty darn pissed!!!

I DO PUT FREAKIN' EFFORT INTO MY MUSIC, I JUST CURRENTLY AM BUSY AND DECIDED TO SUBMIT THIS, OUTSIDE OF NG I AM AMUSICIAN GUITARS AND LEAD SINGER FOR MY BAND!!!!

[Zooloo75]

Well, if your busy then why bother wasting your time putting random loops together and spending more time trying to upload it and argue on the forums? Don't sound too busy to me. Get to work :P

I'm not trying to be an ass to you, I just want you to know that you have to be creative and original.
Maybe you could record some songs you and your band made and upload that instead.

[Jimtendo64]

At 6/2/09 08:42 PM, Zooloo75 wrote: Well, if your busy then why bother wasting your time putting random loops together and spending more time trying to upload it and argue on the forums? Don't sound too busy to me. Get to work :P

I'm not trying to be an ass to you, I just want you to know that you have to be creative and original.
Maybe you could record some songs you and your band made and upload that instead.

I understand what your saying, thought I don't really intent my bands songs to be on NG

[loansindi]

At 6/2/09 08:02 PM, Jimtendo64 wrote: I DO PUT FREAKIN' EFFORT INTO MY MUSIC, I JUST CURRENTLY AM BUSY AND DECIDED TO SUBMIT THIS, OUTSIDE OF NG I AM AMUSICIAN GUITARS AND LEAD SINGER FOR MY BAND!!!!

why?

if you're capable of creating your own music, why would you bother uploading something you didn't really create?