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Honestly, why does everyone have their panties in a bunch about this? People die all the time, but when it's a fetus people have to bitch? It's not like it's legalized murder either, as it hasn't even really turned into a baby yet. We're stopping it from ever becoming one. We have the power to clone stuff but we don't. Isn't that just as bad because those clones have a chance to live, but we don't let them, just like we stop the chance of some natural born person having the chance to live.

People need to get off this whole DON'T KILL BABIES LOL bandwagon that everyone is joining in. Sometimes abortions are necessary such as in the case with rape victims or teenagers. If any of my thoughts are wrong then please argue in a mature and logical way.

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What's the big deal with abortions?


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Religion.

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Seriously, I can understand for rape victims.
However, moron teenagers that don't use any protections or pills or really ANYTHING don't deserve it, they caused it, they have to deal with it.
Really, you never know what you could be stopping.


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Yeah I wonder who would be the lucky fucker that payed to get their baby destroyed.

Just imagine her walking in the room with her family members....
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Dont want babies.

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It's just a parasite when inside the mother, if you cant live with it then abort it who gives a shit. People are quick to condemn adults to death so why should a being that isnt technicly a human have any more right. Its a parasite either kill it or live with it.

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Baby gets a heartbeat after 3 weeks, and sufficient brain waves at 6-8 weeks.

What is the difference between abortion and grabbing a baby out of a mothers hands and slicing it up into little pieces? The baby stills feel everything, the only difference is physical development.

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I really could care less. I don't have a opinion on this because i feel it is pointless for me to pick sides on something stupid like this.

My opinions are so useless, I don't even listen to them.

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Well OP, when the sperm enter the egg and the zygote is formed, then it is new life,and no one has the right to take away life.But since you think that everything is a cell then what's the difference between a freshly born baby and one right about to come out of the womb?By your logic we should be justified to murder people because we don't want them or like them.


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Some people get mad about abortions, but the only time I would get mad, if it was a late-term abortion.
let-terms abortions sicken me.

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What's the big deal with abortions?


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At 6/1/09 09:08 PM, PsycoticDemon wrote: Seriously, I can understand for rape victims.
However, moron teenagers that don't use any protections or pills or really ANYTHING don't deserve it, they caused it, they have to deal with it.
Really, you never know what you could be stopping.

The kids will also have to deal with it. And kids have a conscience, unlike embryos.

At 6/1/09 09:13 PM, psychicpebble wrote: Baby gets a heartbeat after 3 weeks, and sufficient brain waves at 6-8 weeks.

What is the difference between abortion and grabbing a baby out of a mothers hands and slicing it up into little pieces? The baby stills feel everything, the only difference is physical development.

Do you research before ranting and bashing on people who know things

An embryo, or even a fetus, is like an animal. It's barely conscious, it lives by instinct. The only ethical problem with killing a baby out of a mother's hand is that the mother is emotionally attached to the kid. When a mother asks for an abortion, I don't think that bond exists.

At 6/1/09 09:13 PM, lawlmaster wrote: Well OP, when the sperm enter the egg and the zygote is formed, then it is new life,and no one has the right to take away life.But since you think that everything is a cell then what's the difference between a freshly born baby and one right about to come out of the womb?By your logic we should be justified to murder people because we don't want them or like them.

It's all about the level of consciousness. Bacterias are life. Insects are life. Do we hesitate before killing them? No. Western people don't kill apes and dolphins because they are intelligent.


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Because in some religions murder is a sin and shouldnt be committed and abortion would fall under the category of murder.

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At 6/1/09 09:13 PM, lawlmaster wrote: Well OP, when the sperm enter the egg and the zygote is formed, then it is new life,and no one has the right to take away life.But since you think that everything is a cell then what's the difference between a freshly born baby and one right about to come out of the womb?By your logic we should be justified to murder people because we don't want them or like them.

Why did we get rid of parasites and diseases and the like? We don't like them and they're bad for us, but don't they have a right to live too?


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And now I'm pro-choice

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What's the big deal? Hmm... Lemme take a shot at it...

Maybe it's that abortions are a devastating thing. I've never heard of anyone getting an abortion and being totally fine with it. You're pretty much killing a baby, and that's horrifying.

That's not to dismiss, of course, the obvious bullheadedness and hypocrisy on the pro-choice side.

People almost always use abortions as an emergency escape plan, and the reason people get into this kind of position usually stems from either health, assault or financial issues. (And if you don't think rape victims and women whose lives hang in the balance should get abortions, then you're just an ass.) And as for those who get abortions for financial reasons, maybe it'd be a good idea to work on community outreach in order to make it affordable to have a baby.

And then there are the teenagers. Look, nothing is going to stop them from having sex. What is going to stop them from getting abortions, however, is accurate and complete sex education (none of this abstinence-only crap) and readily available contraceptives in school wellness centers.

So there you go.

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I get pissed when people have abortions just because it was on accident or they "weren't ready".
If your not ready mature enough to have a child, you're not mature enough to be having unprotected sex. (Keep in mind the only reason we have sex is to keep our species thriving. We're the only species to have sex just for pleasure, let alone...) So if you're a teenager and you knock your girl up by mistake, don't kill it, just put it up for adoption.

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At 6/1/09 09:08 PM, TheBoyOfAges wrote: Religion.

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It has to do with religious belief, people say it is sinful, many people say "Abortion is Killing"

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At 6/1/09 10:32 PM, Barrelsfox wrote: It has to do with religious belief, people say it is sinful, many people say "Abortion is Killing"

So is swatting a fly. That fly had a life to live before it was ended prematurely.


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At 6/1/09 10:36 PM, cHunter wrote: So is swatting a fly. That fly had a life to live before it was ended prematurely.

you are fucking terrible with anologies

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well abortions should be a last resource.
i'am mean come on. if your going to kill someone
have a good reason for it. it shouldn't be
"i did want this bady! cut it out of me" type of reason.
cuz that just fucked up.
it should be like ya know"no way AT ALL TO SUPPORT the bady"
type of reason, and when i say that i'am talking about dirt poor
conditions.

either way they should lay off the abortions a littie


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At 6/1/09 10:37 PM, psychicpebble wrote:
At 6/1/09 10:36 PM, cHunter wrote: So is swatting a fly. That fly had a life to live before it was ended prematurely.
you are fucking terrible with anologies

How so?


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I seriously think that people take the whole abortion thing WAY too damn far. If the person wants to have one, thats their right. Now, im not saying that its RIGHT to have an abortion, but its their life.
But seriously, people have caused more controversy over it than it is worth. I saw on the news last night about an abortion doctor being shot outside of his church....


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At 6/1/09 09:07 PM, cHunter wrote: Honestly, why does everyone have their panties in a bunch about this? People die all the time, but when it's a fetus people have to bitch? It's not like it's legalized murder either, as it hasn't even really turned into a baby yet. We're stopping it from ever becoming one.

But that's where the debate actually lies. It has nothing to do with abortion itself. Everybody agrees that it's fine to kill a bunch of cells. But the question is, when does that bunch of cells become a baby? Who can decide how do define human life? It's really not the kind of question that anybody can agree on, so I think there will always be a debate. My only issue is one of the newer laws that I read about that states a doctor HAS to preform abortions if asked. Regardless of moral dilemma or religious beliefs. I think that kind of thing infringes upon the doctors rights.


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At 6/1/09 11:04 PM, cHunter wrote:
At 6/1/09 10:37 PM, psychicpebble wrote:
At 6/1/09 10:36 PM, cHunter wrote: So is swatting a fly. That fly had a life to live before it was ended prematurely.
you are fucking terrible with anologies
How so?

Seconded. The only difference between the fly and the fetus is our emotional attachment to it. (provided it is early in its gestation, then its another story)

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Unless the women was raped or the delivery will kill her then I don't really see the need for abortion. There is always adoption. But in the end it really isn't my choice.

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At 6/1/09 09:13 PM, psychicpebble wrote: Baby gets a heartbeat after 3 weeks, and sufficient brain waves at 6-8 weeks.

yeah because every abortion occurs after 8 weeks.......

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Different views from different stand points such as religious people. I don't exactly know where I stand on the matter, possibly just neutral because I can see the pros and cons of each choice/idea/etc.

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Sadly, this topic has been beat to death in the political forum and I've yet to hear a defining argument that can sway me to be Pro-Life.

I take it very personally, if I impregnated a girl and we didn't want to have the child, then I would have it aborted because I see no benefit for the child or me. So I have a kid and raise it, I'm 20 years old and living at home, I obviously can't support a child, especially in a recession. Say I give it up for adoption, what guarantee do I have that this kid is even going to be adopted? What if it gets moved from foster home to foster home because of abusive parents? Then it might be forced to live on the street, and you can imagine how it will spiral downwards. Yeah that's a nice life.

All too often I hear people reply "Well how would you like it if your parents were thinking of aborting you!" or "Get your parents to help you raise it!". Both very stupid arguments. I was planned and my parents have provided very well for me. They probably would have been able to do the same if I was unplanned, but that isn't the case for most people. Secondly, I would never put my parents in a position to help me raise a child, they've been raising kids for 30 years, I think it's time they get a break. Most teens can't support a child in the first place, so why have a kid when you can't support it?

Another phrase I love is "You were to stupid to use a condom, now you have to pay the price", in what world does that make any sense? Do people honestly think that someone who's too stupid to figure out a condom should be in charge of a child's welfare?

Generally I find that the world is better off with quality of life vs quantity of life.

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