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* 20 new weapons/items including the Frying pan, the Axe, the Chainsaw
* 5 campaigns
* All 5 campaigns available on VS at launch
* 4 NEW survivors
* 3 NEW special Infected including "The Charger"
* New multiplayer game mode
* Go deeper into the story

At 6/6/09 01:51 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: * Go deeper into the story

this was one of the biggest problems of the original LfD. the fact that there was little to no backstory.

An L4D2 Game would be awesome!!

At 6/6/09 04:28 AM, homor wrote: this was one of the biggest problems of the original LfD. the fact that there was little to no backstory.

I think that was so that whatever Campaign you jumped into you knew what was going on. In the beginning there was supposed to be a bit of a romance going on between Francis and Zoey (check the blog) but they took it out so multiplayer could be quicker and simpler.

However, apparently rhe first campaign in the second game is set somewhere where "the infection hasn't hit yet", my guess being that you'll actually see someone become infected. Sweet.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_in dex.php?story=23911

:But what about Left 4 Dead, which some players expect to fall by the wayside in the wake of its sequel?

:Leonard declined to commit to there being more Valve-created content for the game, instead pointing out some upcoming functionality tweaks and the potential in user-created levels for the PC version. "We are doing updates across the summer, adding new matchmaking features, and new features to facilitate user maps after the SDK is out," he said. "Certainly, user maps will be part of the ongoing Left 4 Dead 1 experience."

So instead of bringing us the content we were promised, they now say: "go make it yourself". I hereby no longer see Valve South as part of the real Valve.

A friend just told me about there is a new feature to the Witch in L4D2 but I'm not sure whether they will keep it in or not.

Supposedly the Witch doesn't sit around constantly, she stands up, walks and eventually sits down again which I imagine is repeated.

At 6/6/09 01:23 PM, Surion wrote: Supposedly the Witch doesn't sit around constantly, she stands up, walks and eventually sits down again which I imagine is repeated.

It's legit and it's based upon the map, the weather and time of day, if I remember correctly. This is why L4D2 will be worth buying.

At 6/6/09 01:38 PM, citricsquid wrote:

At 6/6/09 01:23 PM, Surion wrote: Supposedly the Witch doesn't sit around constantly, she stands up, walks and eventually sits down again which I imagine is repeated.

It's legit and it's based upon the map, the weather and time of day, if I remember correctly. This is why L4D2 will be worth buying.

Ah, alright. Thanks for confirming this.

Awesome, I'm definitely interested in grabbing a copy.

At 6/1/09 03:52 PM, Surion wrote: So, a teaser for Left 4 Dead 2 was shown at e3. Whats new;

-4 New Survivors

Screw that, gimme ability to make my own!

At 6/6/09 06:17 PM, Draxonicar wrote:

At 6/1/09 03:52 PM, Surion wrote: So, a teaser for Left 4 Dead 2 was shown at e3. Whats new;

-4 New Survivors

Screw that, gimme ability to make my own!

It's probably going to end up with a Sephiroth clone so no.

So is no one bothered by the fact that Valve excluded new L4D1 content and basicly said, make your own?

At 6/6/09 06:39 PM, Yiffy wrote: So is no one bothered by the fact that Valve excluded new L4D1 content and basicly said, make your own?

It's not really Valve, it's Turtle Rock, Valve South.

At 6/6/09 06:17 PM, Draxonicar wrote:

At 6/1/09 03:52 PM, Surion wrote: So, a teaser for Left 4 Dead 2 was shown at e3. Whats new;

-4 New Survivors

Screw that, gimme ability to make my own!

That'll probably be introduced in Summer 2010 with L4D3.

At 6/6/09 06:39 PM, Yiffy wrote: So is no one bothered by the fact that Valve excluded new L4D1 content and basicly said, make your own?

You're so determined to ram this point home, even though the project lead said there would be.

Shut the fuck up, already.

At 6/6/09 07:06 PM, Fyndir wrote:

At 6/6/09 06:39 PM, Yiffy wrote: So is no one bothered by the fact that Valve excluded new L4D1 content and basicly said, make your own?

You're so determined to ram this point home, even though the project lead said there would be.

Shut the fuck up, already.

Apart from Matchmaking 2.0 and SDK no other updates were planned, if there are source please.

I value my money and so far L4D's marketing was a scam, so no thanks.

At 6/1/09 03:59 PM, SCUD14 wrote: Why are ALL the survivors black?

what about the guy in the high roller suit?

At 6/6/09 07:09 PM, Yiffy wrote: source please.

How about the exact same source I gave you on page 4 of this thread?

"we're going to still continue to update Left 4 Dead 1 as well as continuing Left 4 Dead 2."

"we're going to still continue to update Left 4 Dead 1"

Yes, he mentioned 3 specific examples of things they were working on, but at no point did he say, or even imply, that those were the only things being worked on.

They're going to update it yes, they confirmed matchmaker 2.0 and a full SDK, but no plans for content updates.

What worries me is that: "Leonard declined to commit to there being more Valve-created content for the game, instead pointing out some upcoming functionality tweaks and the potential in user-created levels for the PC version."

The only plans so far are tweaks, and the SDK. Since they're working on L4D2 chances are low they'll bring the promised content ( weapons, characters, campaigns, unlockables ) whilst L4D2 is developing. And once L4D2 is released, there would be little incentive for Valve South to update a dated product.

The last part is a speculation, yes. But the fact that Valve South is trying to avoid and ignore their past promise and keep hammering on how much will be added on L4D2 and their SDK update, future supports the fact that they want to forget about their past promise.

Valve released L4D, the public gave them feedback on what they didn't like, they now have a huge list of things that would improve the game, if they took L4D1 and added all these things to it the entire game would change, the way it plays and how we enjoyed it, doing this would piss off thousands of players and they can't do this. Instead they've decided to release a new game, a game that will have everything we loved about the first with changes that we all wanted to see that will make it better.

Ideally they would release it all as DLC but it's impractical and not financially sound, okay so they mislead us but I highly doubt it was ever their intention, it's just happened. The whole "boycott L4D2" fad is uttershit, we're all going to end up buying it so why bother? It's a bunch of pathetic people who think that they have any sort of right to have the game how they like it complaining for the sake of it.

At 6/6/09 07:37 PM, Yiffy wrote: no plans for content updates.

'cause Valve never keep content updates a secret until the last minute.

OHWAIT!

Valve stated they would release updates for left 4 dead 1...

Do you realise how vague that sounds?

Do you realise they stated at the start that those updates would be new campaigns, weapons and zombies?

Now lets do some logical thinking...

Left 4 Dead 2 seems to have the stated new shit with of course some respectably new bells and whistles...

So what kind of content is left for Left 4 Dead 1?

A late SDK update which valve expects us to make our own content.

I will very much appreciate it valve did deliver one what they made me spend full retail price on. I have nothing against Left 4 Dead 2... Valve can make Left 4 Dead 3 for all I care, as long as they deliver on their initial promise I dont think they have done anything wrong.

Im sure all of you agree?

At 6/6/09 11:49 PM, McPaper wrote: Valve stated they would release updates for left 4 dead 1...

Do you realise how vague that sounds?

Do you realise they stated at the start that those updates would be new campaigns, weapons and zombies?

Now lets do some logical thinking...

Left 4 Dead 2 seems to have the stated new shit with of course some respectably new bells and whistles...

So what kind of content is left for Left 4 Dead 1?

A late SDK update which valve expects us to make our own content.

I will very much appreciate it valve did deliver one what they made me spend full retail price on. I have nothing against Left 4 Dead 2... Valve can make Left 4 Dead 3 for all I care, as long as they deliver on their initial promise I dont think they have done anything wrong.

Im sure all of you agree?

Exactly.

Many people ask for L4D2 for free, or as DLC... that's just stupid. Like Valve South said L4D2 is alot more than just DLC, but that doesn't mean that they can just drop their promise because they made more than they expected to do. I hope that either Valve get's back on their promise or makes L4D2 an expansion which would be the best solution, but would also require more work.

Many people are just concerned Valve South will drop their initial promise and continue on solely on L4D2 after the SDK is out. Especially after what happend with the $ to EU exchange, people are afraid that Valve South will simply ignore this issue too, this may already be happening as they're trying to avoid a direct answer.

We just want what we paid for, that's all.

At 6/6/09 06:39 PM, Yiffy wrote: So is no one bothered by the fact that Valve excluded new L4D1 content and basicly said, make your own?

No. Not at all. I've moved on.

And no, L4D was not a scam or a waste of money, because what little there was to it gave me over 125 hours of enjoyment.

Also, I find that it is hypocritical for people to claim that "Valve started working on L4D2 right after releasing L4D" when they also clearly point out that the beta teaser gameplay "looks too similar to L4D". To me, this implies that Valve hasn't been working on it for very long at all, especially considering that they've recycled so many sound effects and level props.

The only people Valve ever seems to disappoint are hypersensitive, self-rightous gamers that demand perfection. Even then, Valve usually updates it to meet these demands, like weak parents to spoiled children. Don't get me wrong, these are usually for the best, but meh... have some faith for once.

At 6/7/09 08:14 AM, MeatMachine wrote: And no, L4D was not a scam or a waste of money, because what little there was to it gave me over 125 hours of enjoyment.

This is what it comes down to, we've all played hundreds of hours of the original game, those who haven't wouldn't have played more just because of an extra few maps, it takes well over 30 hours to complete the entire game on expert. Maybe I'm doing gaming wrong, but I don't buy games expecting any promises made to be filled, I buy based upon what is there when I'm purchasing, I buy it because I want to play what is in the game at the time of purchase, if they make extra, brilliant, if not I'm not particularly bothered.

I can understand that some of you are annoyed/upset about being mislead, but fuck, that's life it always happens and getting pissed off over a videogame won't change anything, boycotting valve because they haven't followed through on a promise? These happen every few months when Valve makes a mistake or does something wrong and then a month later everyone is happily buying from them again.

I highly doubt Valve ever intended on misleading anyone, I'd bet my steam account on it, it's just happened. I'd like to see someone address my points about modifying the core gameplay, if they did there'd be so many more complaints, when L4D2 comes out I'll still play L4D1 and I'm sure other people will, they're going to be different games with the same basic idea, much like the call of duty series.

It should be Left 2 Die

At 6/7/09 08:59 AM, CrypticPoptart wrote: It should be Left 2 Die

that would suggest two survivors, which is false. I still hate the name "left4dead 2" as a sequel, but honestly, who can blame them, you can't really play on words with "left4dead"

At 6/6/09 01:51 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: * 5 campaigns

* 1 NEW campaign

The rest are ported

At 6/8/09 12:16 AM, Michaelas10 wrote:

At 6/6/09 01:51 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: * 5 campaigns

* 1 NEW campaign

The rest are ported

The fuck?

Source or gtfo.

At 6/8/09 12:36 AM, Fyndir wrote:

At 6/8/09 12:16 AM, Michaelas10 wrote:

At 6/6/09 01:51 AM, SlipperyMooseCakes wrote: * 5 campaigns

* 1 NEW campaign

The rest are ported

The fuck?

Source or gtfo.

Don't mind the trolls please.