Stem Cell Research

[StealthChild]

What do you guys think of it? I support it, personally. If you don't know what it is, a quick google search will help you out.

[SmilezRoyale]

I oppose Federal Subsidies to any research of any kind, and this has nothing to do with the Ethical aspect of Stem cell research.

If, hypothetically, a certain kind of research could potentially yield a medicine that could cure a particular disease. Whoever discovered and marketed that cure would easily be able to make up the costs of research.

When government subsidizes anything, it generally ignores the criteria of VIABILITY, as it did when it subsidized Corn Ethanol (which was lobbied by corn growers) Since governments tax their subsidy money, they are less cautious than a private investor that takes a personal risk should a particular research into a medicine prove to be a 'dead end' therefore, private investors will be particularly cautious when selecting what medical research to invest in, they'll also be careful to see which medical organization they lend their money to.

The problem is that with the FDA, drug research and other medical research has become more expensive and more risky. The FDA assumes that there is one particular preference for safety that all patients are willing to accept.

[phrozonfire]

Well, if you're not gonna use them, why let them go to waste? where do the aborted fetuses go anyway?

[Brick-top]

This will stop the moaning because apparently according to them healing people and medical research is a bad thing.

[Ericho]

I support it, because abortion is legal as we may as well put those stem cells to use.

[StealthChild]

Yeah, that's how I feel. If they aren't gunna be used, they ought to be used for the advancement of science and medicine. If they can lead to the cure of diseases, I say we should use them, if the mother was going to abort it.

[THESOULTRAIN]

At 5/31/09 02:28 PM, StealthChild wrote: What do you guys think of it? I support it, personally. If you don't know what it is, a quick google search will help you out.

See the thing is that's sort of a bad topic to talk about. Of course your gonna use the aborted fetuses once they're out of the woom, the majority agrees, the real hot topic is should it be legal or not? I'm not trying to shoot down your topic or anything, so don't be offended, and if you are i'm sorry. But again like i said, it's not like the church wants those fetuses for a proper burial or anything like that. I'm pro-choice, but that's just me. Things happen, those retar-, fucking idiots that don't use condoms and shit like that should have to suffer by raising the child, but they won't care for it, then the child suffers. And nothings gaurunteed, sometimes people can still get pregnant even while wearing a condom (if it breaks), or the vasectamy (i on't know how to spell it) doesn't take, shit like that.

[PKS]

I support it, if it helps why not. It's not like they do anything with aborted fetuses.
Obama Approves

[StealthChild]

At 5/31/09 06:46 PM, THESOULTRAIN wrote:

At 5/31/09 02:28 PM, StealthChild wrote: What do you guys think of it? I support it, personally. If you don't know what it is, a quick google search will help you out.

See the thing is that's sort of a bad topic to talk about. Of course your gonna use the aborted fetuses once they're out of the woom, the majority agrees, the real hot topic is should it be legal or not? I'm not trying to shoot down your topic or anything, so don't be offended, and if you are i'm sorry. But again like i said, it's not like the church wants those fetuses for a proper burial or anything like that. I'm pro-choice, but that's just me. Things happen, those retar-, fucking idiots that don't use condoms and shit like that should have to suffer by raising the child, but they won't care for it, then the child suffers. And nothings gaurunteed, sometimes people can still get pregnant even while wearing a condom (if it breaks), or the vasectamy (i on't know how to spell it) doesn't take, shit like that.

I see where your coming from. but what i'm saying is that regardless of where you get the fetus, should teh stem cell research be done?

and yeah, there are those type of people, and just 'cus of their mistakes, I don't think that a fetus should be killed, but thats just me personally. But on other things im a liberal, so don't think im a conservative.

I just think that if you are gunna abort that fetus, there are a lot of people who could benefit from its stem cells, and if its gunna die, we should use it. diseases like Duchenne muscular dystrophy can be cured with stem cells, and i think that the chance is deserved to experiment with it.

And i dont think that cus you dont wanna take care of it or cus you messed up is a good reason for a fetus to be terminated. I think there should be some sort of standard for reasons to abort. but thats my opinion and not the topic here.

should stem cell research be legal?

[Dawnslayer]

Before anyone else comes in and turns this into an abortion argument, I'd like to point out not all the fetuses are from abortion clinics - in fact, none of them are, if I'm remembering correctly. The majority of stem cell research comes from unviable "test tube" embryos, which have no chance at life and would be discarded as waste material anyway. If these embryos are unviable, what reason is there to not purpose them to the advancement of medical science?

The More You Know

[Brick-top]

At 5/31/09 07:39 PM, LaForge wrote: Well, like it says in the report, this new approach will be fodder-proof from right-wing evangelical nutbags.

When have they ever not tried to stop technological or moral progress?

They still don't like homosexuals. If you see one demand they live in the stone age where they belong.

[poxpower]

I personally think we should build giant abortion farms where women are raped on a weekly basis and have their precious fetuses ravaged from their wombs on week 2-3 so that we can study the bio gold that oozes from their crotch.

And if stem cells are found in infants, I think poor people should be paid like 20-30 bucks per pound for each infant they bring into the slaughterhouse so we can extract their life essence.

Ultimately I would like to use this technology to grow a slightly larger penis and I don't care how many babies have to fight to the death against robots in an arena. I assume that is still the most humane way to kill infants since they outlawed the ancestral clubbing of babies we had here in Canada.

[Ericho]

At 5/31/09 09:02 PM, poxpower wrote: I personally think we should build giant abortion farms where women are raped on a weekly basis and have their precious fetuses ravaged from their wombs on week 2-3 so that we can study the bio gold that oozes from their crotch.

Next time, try to put a "Goofy" emotion so it's easier to tell when you're joking, which I certainly hope you are.

[Aughiris]

At 5/31/09 09:02 PM, poxpower wrote: I personally think we should build giant abortion farms where women are raped on a weekly basis and have their precious fetuses ravaged from their wombs on week 2-3 so that we can study the bio gold that oozes from their crotch.

It's.... It's beautiful...

[TheEnergyParasite]

At 5/31/09 07:39 PM, LaForge wrote:

At 5/31/09 04:29 PM, Brick-top wrote: This will stop the moaning because apparently according to them healing people and medical research is a bad thing.

Well, like it says in the report, this new approach will be fodder-proof from right-wing evangelical nutbags.

Personally I thought embryonic stem-cell research would have been a monumental breakthrough for the human race, but progress is always blocked by inbreeders who can't break away from Colonial Era religious stigmas.

But now that we can get stem-cells from other sources, what's stopping us?

what's stopping us is that its considered possibly immoral to use stem cells, as one would have to kill what could have potentially been a human. there's probably a legal issue tangled somewhere, but i'm not sure what it is.

[TheFarseer]

I'm personally alright with ADULT stem cell research. Stem cells coming from other sources like umbilical cords and whatnot. There have been major results in this field and overall it has been successful. And since it doesn't come from a abandoned child, there isn't a moral obstacle and can proceed with it's extremely beneficial medical research without fear of being shut down.

[SmilezRoyale]

You guys are all completely missing the point, and instead choosing to debate issues of ethics verses public utility of a particular medical research.

The point should be over whether or not government subsidies can even achieve the desired medical break throughts better than the free market.

The state is just a non-answer, and the questions of ethics are an avoidance of a larger issue.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 6/1/09 09:24 AM, Ericho wrote:

At 5/31/09 09:02 PM, poxpower wrote:

Next time, try to put a "Goofy" emotion so it's easier to tell when you're joking, which I certainly hope you are.

Don't worry, he is, as sometimes poxpower is so awesome it's impossible to tell the difference.

[kraor024]

At 6/2/09 10:00 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:
The point should be over whether or not government subsidies can even achieve the desired medical break throughts better than the free market.

You mean the free market with out the augmentation of government subsidies? Because the question of whether the free market could do it better is moot , since the free market businesses would still do research regardless of whether or not the government subsidized research, thew only difference would be if subsidies are granted then the free market researchers would have someone elses work in the pool of data.

[skypirate1989]

lol... I am for it but I hope everyone does realize that the things that were killing at will are in fact humans in there earliest state of life....

Besides most politians don't have the balls to kill a humans for research so I dont think its gona get much farther that it is

[EggSnake]

Maybe (just maybe) at least one of these "doctors" could at least write down what the "STEM CELLS" are actually doing that works, so that maybe (again, just maybe) we can mimic that process?

Before half of the nation staples fetuses all over their bodies?

I only say this because I want the neighbor's dog to not bark all night, and with all the weird fetus people walking around I don't think I'd ever get a good night's rest.

[Elfer]

At 6/4/09 01:35 PM, EggSnake wrote: Maybe (just maybe) at least one of these "doctors" could at least write down what the "STEM CELLS" are actually doing that works, so that maybe (again, just maybe) we can mimic that process?

They're called scientific journals. Try looking at ones about biology.