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At 5/31/09 04:37 PM, RubberTrucky wrote: 1. But here's something that annoys me when it occurs.
Refrain from chain-locking.

I've honestly never, ever witnessed that occur.

But I guess it's plausible. To help prevent this: If a mod redirects you somewhere, when you go to bump it, mention the redirect in your bump. Link back to it. I mention these disclaimers in my Guide to Bumping Topics thread (http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/576 569).

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After reading this entire thread, I've come to some conclusions as to the state of the BBS.

1. Generally the users, not the mods.
2. However, mods can be too strict / Nazi-like.
3. A lot of resentment towards Poozy, A LOT.

In the end, only good can come out of this. I'm glad this came about.

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At 5/31/09 04:41 PM, yhar wrote: I've been posting normally and ended up with bans for inane crap, sure it might not have been suitable for the BBS, or on topic, but I see absolutely no reason to ban for it, couldn't a mod just delete it?

Yhar, I'm trying pretty hard to be forgiving on my end, but really, if you admit to posting something not suitable nor on topic for the bbs, I strongly feel that you seem to have no concern over your own actions at that point. As you think lol cool is an acceptable post, and freely admit to posting derailing things in threads, it seems like you don't really care much at all about the forums, and are just digging a bigger hole for yourself.

Perhaps you'd better reread the rules, and actually realize what the discussion is about at this point, since you are having difficulty discerning between trolling on youtube comment sections and spamming vs posting and adding to conversations.

Ultimately, you're just not doing yourself any favors by continuing to think the way you are, and I hope since you mentioned that you are willing to change, that you take a good look at what everyone is saying, and they are specifically talking about HATING the kind of things you feel you shouldn't be banned for.

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When it comes to the rules, I do feel that there is always room for ambiguity in there.
I think 95% of the threads on General can be considered breaking the rules one way or another.

One question though, what kind of messages belong to the blog? Not uncommonly a mod would post something like "This belongs in the blog"

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I'll just admit something about messaging mods in an "assisting" sort of way...

... I don't like doing it personally. There are a few reasons for this I suppose, combining how I generally present myself with how I'm told to act, and what I'm supposed to do in a certain situation. As I've said before, I think I make more than my fair share of posts around Newgrounds were I just come off as an uninformed upstart, who thinks he knows what he's doing all the time here. I don't message mods for the purpose of pointing out spam because I don't want to be as that sort of person, and also because of the fiddly details regarding the backseat modding rule, which has already been discussed here.

I generally think I'll be wasting the time of the mod if I draw them to their inbox, because the thread in question would probably already be deleted. There have been cases where I've considered it. For example, there was once your routine guy posting penises in his thread, etc. I think to myself, hey I should message a mod. I notice the only mod online is EyeLovePoozy, and figure well, he'll probably take care of it in a minute, since he's locking a few threads here and there anyway. Still, the thread wasn't gone for a while, so maybe something might've paid off. We'll never know, etc.

I actually don't like talking about how Newgrounds works in general, partially due to reasons given by idle in WilliWowza's blog, in that I don't completely understand something, so it's probably safer to just keep my mouth zipped (which is why in Politics, I'm an even greater lurker extraordinaire).

This is definitely a personal opinion thing. I just bring it up because it was being discussed and all that... see how it differs to other people.


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At 5/31/09 04:58 PM, RubberTrucky wrote: One question though, what kind of messages belong to the blog? Not uncommonly a mod would post something like "This belongs in the blog"

Usually it's inane personal shit that doesn't really encourage discussion.

Like, "I went to the mall today and there was a fat cop and I lol'd"

Or a longer rambling story about something that ends in a resolution, like answering one's own question or something.

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At 5/31/09 04:51 PM, Jonas wrote: Yhar, I'm trying pretty hard to be forgiving on my end, but really, if you admit to posting something not suitable nor on topic for the bbs, I strongly feel that you seem to have no concern over your own actions at that point. As you think lol cool is an acceptable post, and freely admit to posting derailing things in threads, it seems like you don't really care much at all about the forums, and are just digging a bigger hole for yourself.

I don't really belong here, I'm perma banned on multiple accounts because I was a twat but if given the chance I'd like to come back as a proper user, but whilst I'm a fugitive I have no reason to behave. However, with regards to the spam and shit this is in the past, I do - as should be apparent in this thread - try to post constructively when possible now. I don't have any right to be here, so you can ban me if you like, but I do hope what I'm saying is taken onboard. I've always struggled with English, so a lot of what I say may come across not how I mean it, but my basic point is this:

If someone posts and the intention is to spam or disrupt, they deserve a ban, otherwise they don't, unless they're repeatedly posting inane irrelevant shit that has no place on the forum and they've been warned about it before.

Perhaps you'd better reread the rules, and actually realize what the discussion is about at this point, since you are having difficulty discerning between trolling on youtube comment sections and spamming vs posting and adding to conversations.

People add to discussions in different ways, a forum is basically a conversation which anyone can join. If I have an opinion that can be summed up in two or three words and I want people to know it, why can't I post? Maybe "lol cool" was a poor example, I was just trying to give an example of a short post that can sum up an opinion. I don't see why someone who often posts well written replies and contributes to the community should be punished for a couple of short "I agree, good post" or "haha, funny video!" posts.

Ultimately, you're just not doing yourself any favors by continuing to think the way you are, and I hope since you mentioned that you are willing to change, that you take a good look at what everyone is saying, and they are specifically talking about HATING the kind of things you feel you shouldn't be banned for.

It seems my point has come across wrongly, I'm not saying spam should be allowed or anyone should be encouraged to do, I'm trying to say that banning should only be used as something to prevent people who're disrupting from posting. Surely it's a bigger punishment to have your posts deleted and therefore being removed from the discussion than to be prevented from future discussions?

The way I see it is that a ban should be used as a preventative measure and in the rarest of cases a punishment. In the past I've done the old "bump hundreds of old threads with the word cock in the title" and ended up banned because of it, this is the exact sort of thing that people should be banned for; it disrupts and doesn't contribute. I've also been banned for short posts, nothing that disrupts or causes annoyance, just something that doesn't really have much substance, at most I think these posts should be deleted. I've also seen threads that are questionable, the original post was pretty worthless but it has sparked discussion, or something worth replying to, so I hit reply, type out my 10 line post and then 20 minutes later find myself banned because a moderator that was being lazy saw the opening post and deleted the whole thread, which banned me. I'd done nothing wrong, I'd posted something well thought out and worth reading, just because that moderator deemed it to be spam thread (which other moderators didn't.)

Maybe I'm missing something vital, or I'm too set on what I think to accept your point of view, but I'm yet to find a post to convince me otherwise.

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At 5/31/09 05:04 PM, yhar wrote: I don't see why someone who often posts well written replies and contributes to the community should be punished for a couple of short "I agree, good post" or "haha, funny video!" posts.

But "I agree, good post" doesn't open up any doors for conversation.

Now, "I agree, good post. Here's why I agree:..." gives people the opportunity to read through your post, think about it, and reply to what you've said.

It seems my point has come across wrongly, I'm not saying spam should be allowed or anyone should be encouraged to do, I'm trying to say that banning should only be used as something to prevent people who're disrupting from posting. Surely it's a bigger punishment to have your posts deleted and therefore being removed from the discussion than to be prevented from future discussions?

But then what's preventing someone from 1+ posting? What's preventing someone from creating crappy threads? Worse case scenario is it gets deleted.

If you take away bans for things like spamming, then you take away the consequences.

Bans are just a preemptive measure, they're also a punishment.

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I'm often online after midnight (CST) and a lot of things slip through that late. I maybe see one or two mods online and they usually not on that long or miss some spam threads, so another mod at that time would help.

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I think part of the BBS's problem is the fact that all the EX-general regulars are fleeing to Wi/Ht? and C&C forums due to the fact they became fed up with the site.

If you can convince all the regulars of those two forums to come back and post in this forum once and a while, or better yet become general regs again, then I GUARENTEE General will become a much more interesting forum with better opinion, topics, etc.

Also I think mods should take into account when banning a user how many posts said user has and how old their account is.

I remember when I was a noob I got a 30 day ban from Maus for continuously posting over the coarse of a about a week in the post all video thread without any pictures to the videos I was linking.

I think you guys should be a little lighter on the bans to newer users(Unless they are blatant alts, trolls, assholes, idiots)

And I think you guys should become stricter with regulars.

I see regulars posting just as spammy threads every day as the users that would get banned for it. They don't get banned, and if they do it's only for like a day.

I think mods should NOT take into account their personal feelings for said user when banning/warning that user.

This is partially directed at a few mods like JadeTheAssassin, as she is a memeber of a club where the regulars(Or rather ex-regulars) continously spam posts with only one line of text with some stupid anime picture.

Jade does nothing, and in some cases SHE JOINS IN.

She isn't the only mod that does it either, i've seen mods not ban or give a very short ban to regulars that do deserve stricter bans.

Just because said mod is good friends with said user, or the mod likes him/her, etc.

This makes it infuriating for regulars who prefer to contribute to threads.

If we post in a spam thread made by a noob(Even if the post was a good post) we could get banned for a week but if we post in a spam thread made by a regular we could get by without even a warning.

So it always irritates me because some regulars are becoming WORSE posters over time, we need some discipline for the regulars.

Also I think you guys should ALLOW game threads. Why? They tend to be VERY fun and entertaining.

I mean I think there should be limits to the games like if the thread gets out of hand lock it, if a user keeps posting give him a warning(And eventually a ban), etc.

Just limit every user 1 - 3 posts in a game thread and lock the thread when it's done being fun.

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At 5/31/09 04:30 PM, yhar wrote: actually, a perfect example is this thread. I bet it gets locked now, except it's exponentially better than 95% of the other threads on the frontpage. if he posts it in his blog, who's going to care? nobody.

I actually have an opposite complaint. This thread wont get locked because the OP is a well known user. If you look at thread its a group of regulars and mods sarcastically congratulating the OP and saying things like "cool story bro". Anyone that spends time on this site know that regulars and mods get away with things that everyone else wouldn't. Look through the OPs history and you get sex threads and /b/ memes that if someone like me posted would get a ban from poozy and some witty remark calling me a virgin. I thought the linked thread was funny but I know I would get banned for posting a fake story on the BBS if I made that.


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I think the BBS is a great place of course as with everything in lifeyou have to avoid the stupid, creepy, werid and parcially perverted people.


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At 5/31/09 05:27 PM, aninjaman wrote: I actually have an opposite complaint. This thread wont get locked because the OP is a well known user. If you look at thread its a group of regulars and mods sarcastically congratulating the OP and saying things like "cool story bro". Anyone that spends time on this site know that regulars and mods get away with things that everyone else wouldn't. Look through the OPs history and you get sex threads and /b/ memes that if someone like me posted would get a ban from poozy and some witty remark calling me a virgin. I thought the linked thread was funny but I know I would get banned for posting a fake story on the BBS if I made that.

Their popularity overrides their stupidity in certain cases. You're completely wrong. The reason mods ban people that post threads like that is because it hurts the site, and could lead to further threads involving similar content. But if the user is popular and trusted, then it is considered a joke, and not an attack on the website. There is a complete difference between a level 1 user posting /b/ memes or someone like gumonshoe doing it. Gumonshoe is popular, and on top of that, he's a mod. He can be trusted, and he's merely making a joke, not trying to overthrow tom and make this place a spam site.

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Certain mods really annoy me Cough cough FunkBRS cough cough. I just really dislike how he assumes certain things just because he has the power to do so. Accusing me of me being an alt to contradict him and so on.
Mind i don't pst much in general, consider myself a pro lurker xD. I believe mods should be more open minded, and more accepting..


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I think the BBS is getting better. I like to see the Mods rule with an iron fist, it helps keep the quality of posts and threads up. Who's leaving anyway? Nobody that I'll miss.

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At 5/31/09 05:23 PM, AniMetal wrote: I think part of the BBS's problem is the fact that all the EX-general regulars are fleeing to Wi/Ht? and C&C forums due to the fact they became fed up with the site.

If you can convince all the regulars of those two forums to come back and post in this forum once and a while, or better yet become general regs again, then I GUARENTEE General will become a much more interesting forum with better opinion, topics, etc.

That's a catch 22.

We need the regulars to be better, but we need to be better for the regulars to come back.

Someone has to break the cycle and it's not going to be them.

Also I think mods should take into account when banning a user how many posts said user has and how old their account is.
I remember when I was a noob I got a 30 day ban from Maus for continuously posting over the coarse of a about a week in the post all video thread without any pictures to the videos I was linking.

I think you guys should be a little lighter on the bans to newer users(Unless they are blatant alts, trolls, assholes, idiots)

And I think you guys should become stricter with regulars.

Why? Unless it's blatant, there's no reason to.

People slip up every once and a while.

I see regulars posting just as spammy threads every day as the users that would get banned for it. They don't get banned, and if they do it's only for like a day.

The only people who know who gets banned for what are the mods.

This is partially directed at a few mods like JadeTheAssassin, as she is a memeber of a club where the regulars(Or rather ex-regulars) continously spam posts with only one line of text with some stupid anime picture.
Jade does nothing, and in some cases SHE JOINS IN.

Every single person on this forum has probably done something like this possibly multiple times. I know I have.

I don't see Jade doing anything that out of line, really.

She isn't the only mod that does it either, i've seen mods not ban or give a very short ban to regulars that do deserve stricter bans.

Like I said, you don't know who gets what bans. Besides, it's up to mods' discretion.

The way I've seen it explained is that regulars sometimes get lesser bans because everyone slips up every once and a while.

Of course, it depends on that user's post history. If a good user posts a spammy thread or something of the like, it's more apt to just get deleted or whatever.

Just because said mod is good friends with said user, or the mod likes him/her, etc.

This makes it infuriating for regulars who prefer to contribute to threads.

If we post in a spam thread made by a noob(Even if the post was a good post) we could get banned for a week but if we post in a spam thread made by a regular we could get by without even a warning.

Often times the OP's of spam threads who are "noobs" are alts.

So it always irritates me because some regulars are becoming WORSE posters over time, we need some discipline for the regulars.

Also I think you guys should ALLOW game threads. Why? They tend to be VERY fun and entertaining.

No they don't. They fall into oblivion almost every single time on these forums. They're just too active.

I mean I think there should be limits to the games like if the thread gets out of hand lock it, if a user keeps posting give him a warning(And eventually a ban), etc.

Game threads always turn into spam threads. Maybe not on other forums, but these forums just have way too many people for them to work. Posting times and people not reading through the whole thread screw up everything.

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At 5/31/09 05:38 PM, DarkShadowblade wrote: Certain mods really annoy me Cough cough FunkBRS cough cough. I just really dislike how he assumes certain things just because he has the power to do so. Accusing me of me being an alt to contradict him and so on.

I just hate it when FunkBRS makes a "I hate everything" thread and all these angsty suburbans teens jump into to cocksuck him and congratulate his worldview.

but Im pretty sure he loves it
At 5/31/09 05:35 PM, Toiletpaper wrote: There is a complete difference between a level 1 user posting /b/ memes or someone like gumonshoe doing it. Gumonshoe is popular, and on top of that, he's a mod. He can be trusted, and he's merely making a joke, not trying to overthrow tom and make this place a spam site.

But what if a level one user did it as a joke? Do they still deserve to get banned? I've posted memes sarcastically before and Poozy gave me a 5 day ban. A regular does it and nothing happens.
Also there is alot of latent rage coming out in this thread.


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And why do Regs expect to get a little tap on the bottom instead of a full ban?

I'm not a BBS Reg, I do not fall into that category.

But if there is a warning system I guarantee that the "regs" would get overly pissy because they are excluded. You guys should know better already. It's like in school, I once got into a fight with a 6th grader because he punched me in the face. I kicked his ass. He got a 1 day suspension and I got a 5 day suspension. At first I thought it was out of pity, I was so pissed that he got to walk away basically a free person and I got a week in In-House. But then it became clear that because I'm an 8th grader, and have been sent to the Dean's office previous times, that I was to know better. I was supposed to set a better example for the kid and instead I smashed his face in. So I served my days and have only been to In-House once since the incident. I learned.

And you guys are supposed to learn to. None of that "Dear lord a 3 day ban for posting 'lol gtfo'? A 5 day ban for flaming this nooblet?" Instead of dropping a load on Poozy, saying he's idolized and people get their tactics from him and trying to rebel against the system by up and quitting, why not look at yourselves? I know many 08ers that hang with well respected users because they're the model. I look up to Tramps because he's a good poster, I know better than to follow around a mod and expect to learn from them. They're just users with power. And getting to know them shouldn't make me above their rules.

Everyone on this site is basically older than me, by a year, by a month, by several years, by several months, and so I learn from many different users. Not just Poozy, or Mal, or Zerok, or Jade (Wdf can I learn from her?), or Jonas, or Wade. Like it or not, you are also a part of the BBS. You are not above and just because you signed up earlier than I did it doesn't mean that you should be treated differently.

If you make a warning system, only warn first time ban victims. At least, that's what I think.

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More mods in different time zones so they can see spam threads easier, or just get some that stay on and actually mod longer.

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At 5/31/09 05:53 PM, Scuzzfest wrote: More mods in different time zones so they can see spam threads easier, or just get some that stay on and actually mod longer.
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I think that would be a good start. Maybe not now, but eventually work something out with a group of people. Seems like the easiest thing that can bring a change.

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Does not promote discussion, does not require contributions and is filled with +1 posts. This is the problem, because Transformer is rucklo it'll be let to run on and be filled with utter shit that is just boosting rucklos ego and everyone else's post counts. gee, how funny guys.

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At 5/31/09 05:53 PM, Scuzzfest wrote: More mods in different time zones so they can see spam threads easier, or just get some that stay on and actually mod longer.
SWAIN ;)

But how many user are there on the other side of the world that could mod at night because of their timezone?
Besides a handful of Australian users there isn't enough people to make that happen.


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To be honest, my posting has REALLY, declined more, not counting my two bans.

I remember in like 2005, although mods were strict, much more fun threads got through, it was a great pleasure coming to the BBS and reading tons of entertaining stuff.

Now I only read one and a half pages of this thread, because I want to type out everything that I dislike about the BBS, so excuse me if I retype somethings said already.

Now we have shit like "No stories allowed on the forums" -What the fuck? We can't have stories on a General forum? What sense does that make? As far as I know, stories of all kinds were entertaining and interesting on what people experience, reactions, etc. They made up a large chunk of the BBS and were overall a pleasure to read.

Then we get a ban on them because there are too many of them? That is like an economy becoming more dependent off of selling sugar, and the government severely restricting the use to sell sugar because too many people do it? As far as I know, users weren't protesting or complaining to have a story ban on the BBS, so why was it made into a rule? I am not going to look through profiles daily to find stories, it much more time consuming. I could understand banning stories that are like a few lines with no details.

But stories were a great addition to the BBS, whether it was a fictional one or a real life encounter or just for laughs. Many people enjoyed it, and POOF, banned.

When that rule came into effect, my posting severely declined as well as a few other users I know.

Now we get stupid shit like postings based on news articles, happy birthday threads, people ranting (Could be good sometimes), complaining, threads attacking America/Britain/Canada, and questions about the site or in real life.

Stories were a great addition because they almost always brought in something new to discuss, so what did we accomplish from banning it? Nothing. It is a stupid rule, and I really can't see how there are any benefits to this except "Well now we don't get these crappy 2 liner stories anymore".

To be honest- I foresaw this at like the beginning of 2008, I noticed threads that were entertaining people, were making people laugh and the BBS a better place were being locked for some of the stupidest reasons that could be overlooked. I noticed that the mods were banning threads more and more, despite if everyone liked them or not. I realized that eventually this is going to cause a huge amount of interesting, active users to leave, and it is, some good users left because the only threads allowed on the BBS anymore are happy birthday threads, or anything that compliments this website. The good users that did not leave are probably in different forums (Clubs and Crews- the only forum that has a few topics that keep me entertained).

TLDR: LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP MODS.


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At 5/31/09 06:01 PM, aninjaman wrote:
At 5/31/09 05:53 PM, Scuzzfest wrote: More mods in different time zones so they can see spam threads easier, or just get some that stay on and actually mod longer.
SWAIN ;)
But how many user are there on the other side of the world that could mod at night because of their timezone?
Besides a handful of Australian users there isn't enough people to make that happen.

I'm sure there's a few acceptable candidates that could honestly help out, myself included (I'm not gonna starting playing the "Make me a mod game") but at 4am, i'm either watching TV, reading, or staring at the BBS waiting for something amazing to happen.

But, it's the mods/admins call, they can work something out amongst themselves, or if they need staff, there's plenty of willing volunteers.

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Posted at: 5/31/09 06:26 PM

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At 5/31/09 06:12 PM, Elios wrote:
At 5/31/09 06:01 PM, aninjaman wrote:
At 5/31/09 05:53 PM, Scuzzfest wrote:
myself included (I'm not gonna starting playing the "Make me a mod game") but at 4am, i'm either watching TV, reading, or staring at the BBS waiting for something amazing to happen.

Same here, sometimes I'm on until 5am, I need help.


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It's the users.
the really annoying kids.

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I agree.

At 5/31/09 06:28 PM, gigit wrote: It's the users.
the really annoying kids.
At 5/10/09 05:21 PM, gigit wrote: HA!

Bronzer.....XD
At 5/30/09 06:59 PM, gigit wrote: NO ONE EVER FUCKING BITCHED ABOUT TWEETY BIRD!!!!

/end caps

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I'm sure theres been stuff said about the topic already but I have to get this off my mind; Photoshop Threads.

I partake in some and see many others do great work only to see the following-

5 MSPaint dicks
3 Rig's head
4 Bedns
8 SHOOP DA WOOPs
and the occasional scribble with 5 different colors.

As most know PS threads are forbidden in the Art forum (Another point is people screaming "Belongs in the Art forum") and go into General, but there need to be guidelines avoiding such +1 Photoshops as previously mentioned. Among them no portrait shots unless its a hilarious expression, no overused memes, and NO MS PAINT COCKS. Should the offender get banned? No, I think thats too harsh, but at least delete the piece of shit picture and only ban when they repeat offenses.

A small but reworkable list yes, but I'm tired of seeing these minial effort, zero originality shops go unchecked.

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I enjoy coming to the bbs and I wouldn't do so if I wasn't telling the truth. However, if and when I complain about the bbs, I complain about other posters rather than the way the mods handle their business. In all honesty, I think the mods have more room to be tighter with rule enforcement than most people seem to think is fair.

The bbs has not become less fun because of the mods "stricter enforcement" of the rules. If anything it has become less fun because of the influx of posters who disregard the rules, thereby forcing the mods to enforce the rules more often, not more strictly. The rules haven't changed, only been modified and more precisely defined to keep up with the times. Just as a judge is given leeway to interpret the law as their judgment sees fit, so too should the mods be allowed to interpret the rules they were selected to enforce as they see fit on a case-by-case basis.

The rules are made very clear and are reasonable. Simply because there are a thousand posters complaining the rules are too strict does not necessarily mean they are. It means there are a thousand posters who fail to adhere to them. The rules of this bbs are not what need modification, it's the mindset of the posters who need to rethink their approach to them. What constitutes "harmless fun" and "joking around" to a majority who is under the age of 18 does not necessarily translate to the same to the minority who is older and/or more mature.

I know there are many of us who try to keep in mind "the internet is serious business" and remind ourselves that most of what we do here should not be held with great importance. But in the case of the mods, and I'm only speaking from speculation, I can imagine that even though they hold no great power in the grand scheme of things, they still view their status as a sign of trust and achievement. Being given their station must be a gratifying accomplishment, something that makes you feel moderately good for having earned it. And it would be a shame to betray that feeling and that trust by not performing with the best intentions. Regular users should look to mods as an example rather than to demonize them for having to dish out reprimands for their own actions. There will always be someone no matter where you are who's charge it is to play disciplinarian because someone has to maintain the civility, otherwise there would be absolute craziness the likes of /b/.

Instead of complaining about a ban, it should be viewed as an opportunity to learn from a mistake. Those who do not learn from mistakes demonstrate a lack of wisdom and maturity, no matter what the circumstance and gravity of the situation, and that is not something that should be rewarded. If you're tired of receiving bans, stop making banworthy decisions. It's selfish and juvenile to instead do the opposite and petition the mods to stop banning and let your inappropriate actions slide without consequence.

A 1 to 3 day ban as all that serious. Is it truly that difficult to find something else to occupy one's time? Ask yourself honestly, have I become that dependent on the bbs that I cannot willfully refrain from posting, I need to be forced to do so before I relent? A ban that short should be regarded as a warning, but if it's too complex and infuriating to comprehend, then maybe you deserve the time out for more reasons than why it was initially given.

In terms of what the mods could do to improve their performance, it is therefore only fair that in turn they could give out more warnings before resorting to a ban. The practicality of a warning system is a bit tricky, especially on an individual basis. PMing a warning individually is time consuming I can imagine, and posting warnings in public may seem a bit foreboding, but the benefit is it can reach more people than just the one it was intended for and serve as a more widespread warning. In the end, the mods can only guide the other posters, they cannot be held accountable for the actions of other posters. They cannot change the posters' habits no more than they can change which way the wind blows. The compromise is that they continue to clean up the bbs in the manner they always have and hope that posters eventually learn on their own. there is not perfect solution other than an imperfect concession to the fact that people will always make their own choices and therefor have to face the consequences when they go wrong.

A lot of people compare the mods to Nazis, constantly attempting to control via forced influence the actions of the other posters. Well the same will be true of the other posters if they attempt to control the actions of the mods for their own selfish reasons. Ganging up on them is not the answer. Mob mentality is nothing but an unorganized clusterfuck of angry sentiment who's root cause is likely the mob itself. If you want to understand the way things work and why, open dialogue with the mods is the better course of action. I think everyone should feel free to talk to them on the same level. The mods aren't demigods on a high pedestal as they are made out to be by some. They are regular people just like everybody else who were simply given trust to help maintain a site they've enjoyed for years and become a part of, and I bet they want to be treated that way.

Everyone who points a finger at the mods for causing the decline in the fun level of this bbs has 3 fingers pointing right back at them. Nonsensical, childish posts and behavior leads to worse things down the line, regardless that some find it "fun." Leniency in the rules is not the answer, nor is dictating to the mods what their judgment should be. Constructive criticism and advice is never a bad thing though and I think any opportunity to learn is a great one. But on a parallel notion, that's exactly how I view a ban- as someone else who knows better telling me, "hey, you shouldn't do that, it's stupid." Good advice.

I've read plenty of threads from the years before I was here to come to understand that the bbs really hasn't changed all that much. In fact, from what I understand, the mods used to be stricter back then than what they are now. Yet, despite that, everyone seems to agree the bbs was still a ton more fun back then, even in this very thread. Quite the conundrum. So have mods become more strict since then and that's the reason why there are fewer fun threads, or have they lightened up and it's the rest of us posters who have failed to come up with anything genuinely funny?

The fact of the matter is NG has become a very large and popular website that is expanding every year. It only follows that more moderation is necessary to accommodate the growing userbase. Several of the forums some of you also frequent may not have a high level of moderation because it is not necessary due to the fact that they have a smaller community or a more mature one. NG's community is for the most part on the larger side and also, unfortunately, on the immature side due to the young median age of its users. But NG didn't become the type of place that draws in unfunny, immature kids overnight, it happened over a long period where everyone began encouraging that type of behavior. If you really like the site, do you want to be part of the reason why there are people who say to themselves "I think I'll go to Newgrounds because I can do pretty much whatever I want and get away with it there."

As for what can be improved by the moderation team, I'd like to see a crack down on the type of users who come to the bbs simply to post like an asshole. Yes, life is not fair and being a teenager sucks, so full of emotion and confusion and insecurity, but is it really necessary to take out one's unhappiness on others? If we want to promote a more fun environment, why not start with curtailing those who bring nothing but a continuous negative attitude and spread it around. Other than that, I highly enjoy the bbs and see no reason why the mods should seriously alter their habits or why everyone else cannot continue to have fun and keep coming back on a regular basis.


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