I enjoy coming to the bbs and I wouldn't do so if I wasn't telling the truth. However, if and when I complain about the bbs, I complain about other posters rather than the way the mods handle their business. In all honesty, I think the mods have more room to be tighter with rule enforcement than most people seem to think is fair.

The bbs has not become less fun because of the mods "stricter enforcement" of the rules. If anything it has become less fun because of the influx of posters who disregard the rules, thereby forcing the mods to enforce the rules more often, not more strictly. The rules haven't changed, only been modified and more precisely defined to keep up with the times. Just as a judge is given leeway to interpret the law as their judgment sees fit, so too should the mods be allowed to interpret the rules they were selected to enforce as they see fit on a case-by-case basis.

The rules are made very clear and are reasonable. Simply because there are a thousand posters complaining the rules are too strict does not necessarily mean they are. It means there are a thousand posters who fail to adhere to them. The rules of this bbs are not what need modification, it's the mindset of the posters who need to rethink their approach to them. What constitutes "harmless fun" and "joking around" to a majority who is under the age of 18 does not necessarily translate to the same to the minority who is older and/or more mature.

I know there are many of us who try to keep in mind "the internet is serious business" and remind ourselves that most of what we do here should not be held with great importance. But in the case of the mods, and I'm only speaking from speculation, I can imagine that even though they hold no great power in the grand scheme of things, they still view their status as a sign of trust and achievement. Being given their station must be a gratifying accomplishment, something that makes you feel moderately good for having earned it. And it would be a shame to betray that feeling and that trust by not performing with the best intentions. Regular users should look to mods as an example rather than to demonize them for having to dish out reprimands for their own actions. There will always be someone no matter where you are who's charge it is to play disciplinarian because someone has to maintain the civility, otherwise there would be absolute craziness the likes of /b/.

Instead of complaining about a ban, it should be viewed as an opportunity to learn from a mistake. Those who do not learn from mistakes demonstrate a lack of wisdom and maturity, no matter what the circumstance and gravity of the situation, and that is not something that should be rewarded. If you're tired of receiving bans, stop making banworthy decisions. It's selfish and juvenile to instead do the opposite and petition the mods to stop banning and let your inappropriate actions slide without consequence.

A 1 to 3 day ban as all that serious. Is it truly that difficult to find something else to occupy one's time? Ask yourself honestly, have I become that dependent on the bbs that I cannot willfully refrain from posting, I need to be forced to do so before I relent? A ban that short should be regarded as a warning, but if it's too complex and infuriating to comprehend, then maybe you deserve the time out for more reasons than why it was initially given.

In terms of what the mods could do to improve their performance, it is therefore only fair that in turn they could give out more warnings before resorting to a ban. The practicality of a warning system is a bit tricky, especially on an individual basis. PMing a warning individually is time consuming I can imagine, and posting warnings in public may seem a bit foreboding, but the benefit is it can reach more people than just the one it was intended for and serve as a more widespread warning. In the end, the mods can only guide the other posters, they cannot be held accountable for the actions of other posters. They cannot change the posters' habits no more than they can change which way the wind blows. The compromise is that they continue to clean up the bbs in the manner they always have and hope that posters eventually learn on their own. there is not perfect solution other than an imperfect concession to the fact that people will always make their own choices and therefor have to face the consequences when they go wrong.

A lot of people compare the mods to Nazis, constantly attempting to control via forced influence the actions of the other posters. Well the same will be true of the other posters if they attempt to control the actions of the mods for their own selfish reasons. Ganging up on them is not the answer. Mob mentality is nothing but an unorganized clusterfuck of angry sentiment who's root cause is likely the mob itself. If you want to understand the way things work and why, open dialogue with the mods is the better course of action. I think everyone should feel free to talk to them on the same level. The mods aren't demigods on a high pedestal as they are made out to be by some. They are regular people just like everybody else who were simply given trust to help maintain a site they've enjoyed for years and become a part of, and I bet they want to be treated that way.

Everyone who points a finger at the mods for causing the decline in the fun level of this bbs has 3 fingers pointing right back at them. Nonsensical, childish posts and behavior leads to worse things down the line, regardless that some find it "fun." Leniency in the rules is not the answer, nor is dictating to the mods what their judgment should be. Constructive criticism and advice is never a bad thing though and I think any opportunity to learn is a great one. But on a parallel notion, that's exactly how I view a ban- as someone else who knows better telling me, "hey, you shouldn't do that, it's stupid." Good advice.

I've read plenty of threads from the years before I was here to come to understand that the bbs really hasn't changed all that much. In fact, from what I understand, the mods used to be stricter back then than what they are now. Yet, despite that, everyone seems to agree the bbs was still a ton more fun back then, even in this very thread. Quite the conundrum. So have mods become more strict since then and that's the reason why there are fewer fun threads, or have they lightened up and it's the rest of us posters who have failed to come up with anything genuinely funny?

The fact of the matter is NG has become a very large and popular website that is expanding every year. It only follows that more moderation is necessary to accommodate the growing userbase. Several of the forums some of you also frequent may not have a high level of moderation because it is not necessary due to the fact that they have a smaller community or a more mature one. NG's community is for the most part on the larger side and also, unfortunately, on the immature side due to the young median age of its users. But NG didn't become the type of place that draws in unfunny, immature kids overnight, it happened over a long period where everyone began encouraging that type of behavior. If you really like the site, do you want to be part of the reason why there are people who say to themselves "I think I'll go to Newgrounds because I can do pretty much whatever I want and get away with it there."

As for what can be improved by the moderation team, I'd like to see a crack down on the type of users who come to the bbs simply to post like an asshole. Yes, life is not fair and being a teenager sucks, so full of emotion and confusion and insecurity, but is it really necessary to take out one's unhappiness on others? If we want to promote a more fun environment, why not start with curtailing those who bring nothing but a continuous negative attitude and spread it around. Other than that, I highly enjoy the bbs and see no reason why the mods should seriously alter their habits or why everyone else cannot continue to have fun and keep coming back on a regular basis.

At 5/31/09 06:38 PM, Krbyfan1 wrote: A small but reworkable list yes, but I'm tired of seeing these minial effort, zero originality shops go unchecked.

The photoshops aren't as important as the actual base picture, imo.

But yeah, I agree.

As i said here come on it's a good idea

At 5/31/09 06:11 PM, Complete wrote: As far as I know, users weren't protesting or complaining to have a story ban on the BBS, so why was it made into a rule?

I remember a fair share of people asking for them to be banned, mostly because as Zerok said earlier in this thread, that although some of them were great, they were overshadowed by the amount of poorly-written, poorly-thought out creations, often consisting of something along the lines of bigbadron raising an alien army to fight Eric Bauman. Even today, I've seen one or two posts that wish for an alternative place to put gumOnShoe's monthly writing contests, but they don't get in the way while they try to browse General.

I've toyed around with the idea of a specialised Literature forum with myself and others before. It's a nice idea, I think, but it has its own issues. Primarily, the problems would be related to regulation, I think, as in it's hard to say one sort of story/poem/script, etc. is allowed, while the other is not. Formatting would need to be enforced, and as Rucklo once brought up, it would require more people to check for big-rule breaking spam, which could be arguably hidden easier in a block of seemingly inoocuous text. What's more is that I'm very much aware there has already been a significant amount of debate on it amongst the higher-ups, and decisions have been made that I or anyone else can't comment on.

The literature ban is not something is completely agree with, I've made that clear many times. However, go back a few pages to where I briefly talk with Zerok about it; I also think there is a point to it. I'm just going to stay hopeful in regards to the Literature Portal for now, and enjoy the contests as much as I can. The apparent closeness of the Literature Portal's release is another down point for a Literature Forum.

I am not going to look through profiles daily to find stories, it much more time consuming.

I know what you mean, and it's not ideal as many users point out. I remember Jercurpac made a story advertisement thread to answer this argument, but I haven't seen it in a long time, and I believe it's dead. I also believe I saw someone try to ressurect the idea, but I think it was locked.

I suppose the best thing to do is stay positive and await the Literature Portal. Obviously, it's not a priority for the staff, which is understandable; Newgrounds isn't a literature website. I'm thinking it'll be here when it's ready though.

A part of me thinks you're probably already aware of them, but check out the NG-Library for a back-catalogue of BBS stories from before the ban and the far-too-brief (but still appreciated) Story Library if you haven't already. Some day I'd like to work on putting together a more active archive of Newgrounds literature, that's complete as possible. For now, I think that might be all there is, but look around if you find those sort of things useful.

Honestly, i believe the BBS really needs a relaxation of some of the common practices. Relax on the bans, and the deletions. Honestly, locking a topic is more of an obvious thing: we can still see what actions caused the topic to go by the wayside, and the same topic won't pop up in two hours. Also, Mods maybe making posts other than official BBS business once in a while is a good thing. Most mods on here were chosen for their intelligence, fairness, and wit. We see the fairness (sometimes) and the intelligence (sometimes), but the wit? Seriously, lighten up. Don't hold back on a joke just cause you're a mod. I hardly see anything mods post making me laugh (then again, all humor on the BBS is dwindling) we need more humor, more joke threads. Spam about pointless unfunny things is one thing. Parodies are another.

At 5/31/09 06:38 PM, Krbyfan1 wrote: I partake in some and see many others do great work only to see the following-
4 Bedns

how can you hate the bedn

At 5/31/09 07:43 PM, cast wrote: it's supposed to be fun, not life.

That's true. Very true, actually.

However, there are some days that something on the BBS will put me in a good mood, or a bad mood, and that has an effect to me IRL, so i'd at least like to see some minor helpful changes, to make the rainy days on the BBS go away.

First, let me say that most of the mods are doing an excellent job, but there are a couple that I have noticed that are walking on thin ice.

I agree with most of the things that have already been said here about mods laying off bans and how sometimes we can't tell if a spam topic is a spam topic. Some mods will consider a topic that is questionably spammy a spam topic just because they think not enough discussion will arouse from it, but it really depends. With every little discussion, a bigger discussion can awaken from it. Mods should give some topics a change before locking it. And if mods don't consider that opinion, then at least give a warning instead of banning. Such as, whena mod bans a user, whenever that user tries to post, it says: "ERROR YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED for x amount of days for x reason." Instead of that, mods should have the option to write a warning page, such as: "You did this and this is your warning." and users can confirm the warning and go ahead and make the post.

I don't post much in General these days as I used to. I'm actually pretty frightened of this place because one little mistake I make can result me in a 3 day ban. I usually go in the BBS to post in the last.fm club because I know I can be pretty safe there because most of the things I will discuss are music related and I can be mature when it comes to such subject (i.e. discussing why screamo is still a genre and how people have their own opinions.) But my point is that regulars such as myself have been here for quite a while. We know the rules. Mods don't need to remind us by banning us every time we fault unless it becomes excessive. I think a mature mod would be one that would report to Wade if they saw that another mod was completely abusing his/her power, but no one likes to be the tattle-tale.

The biggest problem I have noticed is what I have described above. Whilst I know others complain about the BBS being too "unoriginal", I really think that's been the bottom of the turmoil since mid 08. Sometimes there will be a new topic about something that is going on in the news lately, which is as a matter of fact how I know what's going on in the world currently. Joke (and I don't literally mean joke jokes, but more as something quite funny that mods would sometimes consider spam topics) should be allowed because it adds spark and rainbows to the forum and lets everyone enjoy it.

TL:DR ; Mods need to chill the fuck out.

Meh... I don't really hate any of you guys. I hated Poozy at one point, but I was just holding a grudge and being butthurt because He gave me a one week ban. I don't remember what it was for, but I knew I deserved it and I knew I was being a brat. Poozy's all right. He know how to have fun. The same with every other mod. I guess I've gotten past my grudge-holding phase of being a kid.

The only thing I remember was Gumonshoe banning me for saying "Lol." I really felt that was uncalled for, because I wasn't breaking any rules (It was the only one word post I made) and I didn't say anything offensive. I confronted him on it (Nicely, don't worry) But he didn't care. That was kinda stupid, because it was just a "Because I can" kind of ban.

And Transformer and UltraBear don't do anything with their responsibility, but I have no gripes with them.

Other than that, I'd say you guys do a really solid job of keeping this place in check.

Being banned for backseat modding and for posting in a spam thread, not starting one, are two completely unnecessary reasons for receiving a ban, no matter how short lived the ban is.

At 5/31/09 11:07 AM, yhar wrote: the moderators here suck, because they all have a sense of "I'm better than you" over the regular users. This is fine if you actually contributed to the site, but you don't. Seriously, people like poozy annoy the fuck out of me, not that I don't deserve banning for spam but when they post bullshit reasons or sarcastic comments implying they're better than us normal users and they contribute fuck all to the site.

Hey, it's how they get their lulz. Why do you post spam threads? To get a good laugh (hopefully... if not then you're a moron)! Just because they are mods doesn't mean they can't have fun? Mods can't (or at least, shouldn't) post spam threads like you do, so they find other ways to have fun.

I think that the mods should pm us on wat we did and why were being ban and give the names out because most of the bans ppl be pming me says they dont how who ban them and when i got ban i only saw mal name and i mailed him and told what happen and why it started and he acceted it so what im trying to say is to warn us wtf we did or just delete the post and if the problem get badder just ban tht fag that whould inprove the system and more ppl would be on this site.

There's a few things I'd like to address here -

First, please don't suggest / complain about something without either explaining exactly what it is or providing a good example, or both. I'm sure a lot of you are posting just for the hell of it and you're just jumping on the bandwagon of repeating whatever you've heard someone else say.

There's only a few instances of people doing it in this thread, which is nice because this thread is bloody huge. If your post / suggestion gets ignored, it's probably because we don't know what you're actually talking about.

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Second, the 4chan thing.

A lot of us Moderators are knocking around in the deepest darkest corners of the internet. Being moderators here doesn't make us all stiff and boring like many of you seem to think it does. I'm not gonna dwell on it because that's not the point I'm trying to make, I just want people to realise that this is not 4chan.

The main difference between this forum and 4chan (particularly the NSFW boards) is that 4chan has much more lenient rules and /b/ specifically moves much much faster than the General section of Newgrounds.

What this means is that on /b/ you're encouraged to drop the Nbomb and post quick, short, offensive one-liners to keep up with the flow of the boards. When you attempt to bring this mentality over to Newgrounds, you're breaking the rules.

These are different forums, and I know you love to share the jokes you find on 4chan with everyone else you know on the Internet, but what you're actually doing is breaking the rules and usually just posting recycled overdone jokes with no real merit.

None of us have any problem with you guys browsing 4chan, but please don't bring it back here.

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Third and final point is that a lot of you don't understand how it feels to be a moderator. It's perfectly understandable because obviously a lot of you aren't moderators (duh). What you have to realise is that banning someone takes a very small amount of time. It's utterly insignificant when someone gets banned in the eyes of a moderator because we ban tons of users in an active day.

Asking us to write an essay every time we have to ban someone for being stupid and not following the rules is really just asking too much.

THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH DOES NOT REPRESENT ANY OTHER FORUM MODERATOR - ONLY ME
If it's so insignificant for me to ban one of you for 3 days, it's also extremely trivial to reduce your ban by 2 of those 3 days. Depending on the nature of your ban and your attitude when you approach me about it, it's not that rare that I'll just clear a ban entirely because you asked nicely.

Also, if banning people for breaking the rules is such a short and trivial process for the moderators, you should realise that it's equally as easy not to get banned by simply not being an idiot.

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Things I'd like to see implemented in terms of moderator tools are the ability to flag posts which got someone banned (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST - sound familiar?). It would only last as long as the post remains (posts which get people banned usually end up deleted) and maybe even a way to see an explanation of the ban.

Well, the people who USE the BBS can make better threads. It's the General Discussion Forum but still, some have little to no meaning.

At 5/31/09 07:57 PM, cast wrote: Read my buddy Jamoke's post.

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Some very good points there. Not all of the problems are directly caused by the mods, but the ever expanding amount of teenagers that show up here. And i think instead of shunning them, and blaming them for the EVERYTHING, we as a community should set good examples on how to act and NOT get into trouble / flame wars / habits of posting nonsense.

At 5/31/09 08:40 PM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote: I think a good system that could be implemented would the one that the Explosm.net uses for it's forums. Example pic below.

That's pretty cool, but how long does a "time out" last? I remember a while ago, i got a 1 day ban at 11 pm, and it lasted 4 hours. Not much of a ban, but i definitely learned my lesson. So that might work eventually...

You know when I think about it, the funny thing is that apart from me moving my life away from this site, and even during the time I've been here, I don't get banned a lot. Honestly, the mods don't seem that harsh, not like I remember at least. I see a thread titled "negros get out" and bam its gone the next time I open the page. I see "catholics fuck off" and wham, the thread starter is deleted for posting "hate dem jews". Of course, there's obviously been a LOT of new mods coming in and out since I was last a regular here, what with BB and Maus gone and probably a few couple of others I forgot about too.

The real problem would be like what you said, getting a mod for every time zone in case of spam.

You know, I hate to sound like the immature weasel in this, but I'm intrigued and I hope it tempts others.

Where are Tom and Wade on this? Or are there lives over Newgrounds Offices too busy to deal with "customer services" anymore?

At 5/31/09 11:00 AM, Jonas wrote: What can be improved on the BBS?

Stop deleting threads and saying "It should be in your blog." Everyone knows nobody reads them, unless you're a very famous/popular user.

That "posting in a spam thread" rule is a bit iffy. There's no definate way to tell if it's spam. I think you should just lock/delete the thread, ban the OP for 3-5 days for making a spam topic, and let the other users slide- let the lost post be their punishment.

MODs need to follow the rules themselves. It's really annoying when you see a MOD ban you for something, and then they turn around and do it themselves.

Yeah- basically all of that's already been said but I thought I'd contribute.

One more complaint, I don't like when mods post one-liners that don't show the OP what he did wrong. In fact, it only builds more resentment towards the mod.

Perfect example right here, new user made a thread about a PM he got. I'm sure he didn't know it was against the rules to do. And FUNKbrs just says he hates him to. How exactly does this even REMOTELY help the BBS besides giving the mod a little chuckle?

At 5/31/09 09:25 PM, Rague wrote: You know, I hate to sound like the immature weasel in this, but I'm intrigued and I hope it tempts others.

Where are Tom and Wade on this? Or are there lives over Newgrounds Offices too busy to deal with "customer services" anymore?

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?
Sorry, had to say it. It fits the situation. We can not rely on staff to help. That's why mods were created, to act for them.
And that's one of the problems I have. The moderators are there to act in place of staff. So why are they mis-using their power, making poor judgments and acting like immature morons? Why?

At 5/31/09 09:27 PM, Frenzy wrote: That "posting in a spam thread" rule is a bit iffy. There's no definate way to tell if it's spam. I think you should just lock/delete the thread, ban the OP for 3-5 days for making a spam topic, and let the other users slide- let the lost post be their punishment.

Yeah, that option is truly a killjoy. Like Frenzy said, spam can be a really subjective term. If someone is dicking around in a bad thread, go ahead and ban them; if they made a legit post, they obviously weren't posting with poor intentions and don't deserve to be punished.

So really, ban the OP and anyone else who posted obvious shit in a spam thread, just let the others off without a ban.

I don't think that this would solve all the forums' problems but one thing that I think is bullshit is that mods such as Zerok have their own set of rules which they enforce.

I honestly don't have a problem with the rules themselves but more the fact that it is basically impossible to know about them until someone points you to their direction.

I'm not saying that these rules shouldn't exist or that they should be in the main rules page, but at least a link, seriously.

"Some moderators have listed more specific instances which they will punish, such as these"

Threads like these are what usually get to me. There seems to no need to let this go on for more than it has. I'm really, REALLY trying hard not to point it out like this, but I couldn't help it.

At 5/31/09 05:46 PM, aninjaman wrote: But what if a level one user did it as a joke? Do they still deserve to get banned? I've posted memes sarcastically before and Poozy gave me a 5 day ban. A regular does it and nothing happens.

Again, because those people have proven that they are for the site, not against it. You need to prove yourself before being stupid, no offence. I made quite a few of those threads myself.

Also there is alot of latent rage coming out in this thread.

That's one thing we agree on.

At 5/31/09 08:39 PM, yhar wrote: Surely that agrees with the uselessness of a ban.

Not at all. I said it's an insignificant act to ban you from a moderator's point of view, from a user who's receiving the ban it's much more important, you can tell by the amount of PMs we get about it.

At 5/31/09 08:28 PM, Dry-Ice wrote: Blah blah blah...(over my brain capacity)

This is one of the reasons none of us can be mods. It takes a few people to have the attention span to post a huge wall of text like in the example posted by dry-ice.

Anyway, to add on to this thread, I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this before, but there should be an increase in the number of moderators. Don't get me wrong, I'm not just here to say ooooh pick me pick me. I'm here to state that there have been numerous times where there were spam threads put up when no mods were on and they got to almost two pages before they were deleted. All I'm saying is that there should be a little more moderators on the boards. Please, mods, take this post into SOME consideration. Usually there are a maximum of nine total mods on the boards at a time. Shouldn't there be more, seeing as there are twelve forums? The numbers could be increased a little. Thanks for reading this entire post ;)

At 5/31/09 08:54 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: frequent short posts of that nature get to me for reasons discussed earlier in this thread. They aren't part of the discussion. Jonas made a nice point about it earlier. Try to add a little more than hahahaha next time?

Then perhaps mods should freely delete any post they deem not relevant/helpful to the thread, and any post that is far too short and has very little though put into it. I know mods do this now as it is. I don't know if they ban for these kind of posts. But regardless maybe you guys should do that much, much more often. Since post count is held in too high a regard as a stat, if a post doesn't outright break the rules, yet is still utterly useless, a minor "punishment" would be to not allow said worthless posts to exist therefore penalizing the user's post count. The bbs would be a ton cleaner and more focused if all those short worthless posts weren't around.

At 5/31/09 09:27 PM, Frenzy wrote: Stop deleting threads and saying "It should be in your blog." Everyone knows nobody reads them, unless you're a very famous/popular user.

Do we really have to have 30 threads about the most mediocre and mundane things that's happened to people during their day? I sure as hell don't want to read them, and I don't see why anyone would feel those kind of thread have a place in the bbs when that is exactly what userpage blogs are for.

Whenever a thread is made about a video game in the General forum, the first thing someone does is link to the VG forum, because that's the appropriate place for such a topic. The same goes for userpages; they are there for you to talk about your day, shit that has happened to you, plans you are making, school, friends, stuff you want to buy and advice on what to get.

Think of your userpage as your own private thread- you set the topic, you get to moderate it by deleting comments and banning people from replying.

That "posting in a spam thread" rule is a bit iffy. There's no definate way to tell if it's spam.

It shouldn't be that hard to tell what a spam topic looks like. If the op is a level 2 account made today and the topic is about the Barny Bunch, taking a poop on your sister's chest, an obvious troll attempt towards anime fans or nothing but "look at this funneh picture i found" then it's obvious spam. If you are about to post in a thread and as you reach for the post button you have second thoughts, go with that feeling and hit the back button instead.

I think you should just lock/delete the thread, ban the OP for 3-5 days for making a spam topic, and let the other users slide- let the lost post be their punishment.

If the topic isn't obvious spam, then that would be reasonable. But if it literally screams "spam" and only a retard couldn't tell that it was, then the best and quickest way to teach someone not to post in that type of thread is through a ban. If someone is allowed to make mistakes without ever dealing with consequences, then that person will never learn from said mistakes. It took me about two times getting banned for posting in a spam thread to learn what is considered spam and to not do it again. I don't think it's too difficult a concept.

At 5/31/09 09:29 PM, X-TERRORIST-X wrote: One more complaint, I don't like when mods post one-liners that don't show the OP what he did wrong. In fact, it only builds more resentment towards the mod.

How exactly does this even REMOTELY help the BBS besides giving the mod a little chuckle?

The rules are at the top of every forum, there for all to see and read. What more can be done? Do mods need to send a pm to every new poster linking them to the rules of the bbs? Does everyone need to have their hand held and be lead to them like a child? If some users choose to ignore that valuable info in their haste to post, then why should they not pay any consequences? It's not anyone else's fault that some couldn't be bothered to read the guidelines that are freely available to them other than that person.

I don't know if FUNK or any other mod finds making a non threatening, harmless lock post such as that fun. But if they do then telling them they can't do that is hypocrisy, tantamount to the posters complaining the mods are trying to kill their fun. And considering I've seen many users make a post saying far, FAR worse to other users than what was said in FUNK's post, this complaint seems almost laughable.

As far as holding resentment towards someone for something they posted on a bbs, that's just silly. It's one thing to think someone is a bad poster who shouldn't be allowed the privilege of posting because they abuse the system, but it's another thing to hate someone as a person for something they said over the internet.

At 5/31/09 10:09 PM, Toiletpaper wrote:

At 5/31/09 08:28 PM, Dry-Ice wrote: Blah blah blah...(over my brain capacity)

This is one of the reasons none of us can be mods. It takes a few people to have the attention span to post a huge wall of text like in the example posted by dry-ice.

If only a few paragraphs of text weren't regarded as a "wall of text" around here, maybe the collective IQ would go up a few points. (I'm not making any remarks towards you, Toiletpaper, just using your post as a springboard.) The term "wall of text" means a lengthy post with no discernible breaks in between thoughts. Its meaning has been misinterpreted and twisted by the lazy of mind. If a dozen sentences organized into a few short paragraphs is what is now considered a wall of text, I wonder what some of you would call books then. They must be like climbing a mile high sheer rock cliff to you.

At 5/31/09 10:11 PM, WeHaveFreshCookies wrote: But it's the users right to do that. It's actually a good thing when it's done right.

Exactly. Maybe I didn't emphasize the part of my post which said "...when a user asks nicely..."

I'll admit to not having read through this, but I'll just shove my two cents in.

What lead me to find the BBS interesting in the first place is generally not allowed anymore. MickTheChampion, TheAbominableMatt, Williwowza, HotActionYiffFur, BigExplosions and quite a few other users made me laugh with their threads. Those threads would normally be instantly locked and/or deleted now.

Have a look at my userpage. I've linked a load of threads that made me love this place.

But now I feel like making any of those threads or posting in a thread like them is an insta-ban and the threads left open are 12 year old kids talking shit like 'omgz my teecher told me to go to datenshun' and 'i like a gurl what do i do?' as well as parody threads (which are never fucking funny) parodying threads that aren't any good in the first place.

It's hard to summarise. Basically when I go online I'd normally come to Newgrounds because I find it funny but now it just seems like a place where I come to see if I get punished for small crimes.

It's like telling the police to come watch you jaywalk so that you can be fined for it.

At 5/31/09 10:18 PM, THEJamoke wrote: If only a few paragraphs of text weren't regarded as a "wall of text" around here, maybe the collective IQ would go up a few points.

I'm sorry. If one post takes up an estimated third or fourth of a page, then I skim it, not read it. Too much to go through. Anyway, I was using it as an example for the rest of us. It pertains to the rest of my earlier post.

The term "wall of text" means a lengthy post with no discernible breaks in between thoughts. Its meaning has been misinterpreted and twisted by the lazy of mind.

Lazy it is.

If a dozen sentences organized into a few short paragraphs is what is now considered a wall of text, I wonder what some of you would call books then. They must be like climbing a mile high sheer rock cliff to you.

Books are different. They're worth reading, unlike most people's posts. ;)