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There is one thing, why must we get banned for posting in a non-obvious spam thread? In other words, ones that doesn't seem like it is at first but later on it is.

I get banned countless times because of this and I can't seem to tell much different between a normal thread to a somewhat spammy thread. I don't know, it's just an idea and I have been more cautious than usual.

At 7/9/09 08:44 PM, AshfordPride wrote: I was tired of being banned for 'posting in a spam thread', ESPECIALLY after mods had access to that BAN ALL feature that indeterminately banned everyone in a thread. You know, it is possible to post something meaningful and worth reading in a thread that isn't. Don't punish me because some kid posted something stupid and I wanted to put my two cents in.

I think destroy has really been abused by some people and doesn't always get used like it should. But the problem for me in being able to point that finger at someone specifically is that the thread is removed and I don't get to see it. I tend to think somebody shouldn't have half their bans be destroy bans, but in the end, if I didn't see the threads, how do I know for sure? Plus people occassionally make mistakes, that's got to be remembered to.

But in general, if something OBVIOUSLY breaks the rules, stay the hell away from it folks. We want a good fun community, but our main task is to enforce the rules of the BBS, so if you're breaking them, you need to be ready to take the consequences for that.

At 7/9/09 11:46 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 7/6/09 10:16 AM, REDSPADES wrote: Zerok needs to stop banning me for calling Crebb a faggot on the BBS.

Use that word again and you're getting banned. How many bans do we have to hand out about this before you guys get it? Stupid things like this at times can make us really get sour because goddamn, it's RULE 1 UNDER THE ONES WE TELL YOU RESULT IN BANS!! Wade made a whole thread reminding you guys about it, we discussed it in this thread. THAT WORD IS NOT OK TO USE HERE, IT JUST ISN'T!! So cut it out!!!

I remember the thread but can't find it, why haven't people learned anything from bans? There are several users who refuse to learn. =/

stuff

I think it's dumb too.

At 7/10/09 12:01 AM, SCTE3 wrote:

I remember the thread but can't find it, why haven't people learned anything from bans? There are several users who refuse to learn. =/

That's why people like 2hot2rock (as far as I know) has been permanently banned.

I think it's dumb too.

Not necessarily, all of the spammers want attention and if we post it there, then he'll enjoy it.
But in a way you're right, it isn't fair to be banned from something that I mention earlier that didn't seem like an obvious spam.

At 7/9/09 11:49 PM, T-N-T wrote: There is one thing, why must we get banned for posting in a non-obvious spam thread? In other words, ones that doesn't seem like it is at first but later on it is.

Obviously without links, I can't make a real strong determination on the validity of what you're saying (sorry guys, I'd love to be able to trust you, but I've had so many users lie to me and try to put one over on me that without evidence I just can't always take it on faith). In the end it's up to the mod in question, I tend to think if a thread starts ok and then goes downhill though it should be locked and only the people derailing it be punished. Or what I try to do, catching it early enough that the irritant can be removed and the discussion saved, but that isn't always possible.

If there's one thing I've said before in this thread(somehwere), it's the backseat modding rule. And yes, I have read NEVR's news post about it, and you can call me stupid, dumb, slow, ignorant, whatever; the bottom line is that I don't exactly like PM'ing a Mod EVERY time a user needs some help. It's so much easier to point them in the right direction without sounding elitist, but the problem is this: What's the difference between pointing them in the right direction and just telling them where they need to post? Is not the former just a less obvious version of the latter? Hell, whenever I see someone post the wrong thing in a certain forum and I point it out, I have to cross my fingers and hope that a Mod who sees my help hasn't had someone piss in his/her coffee that day. PM'ing a Mod causes a user to seem needy and whiny, equating messaging a Mod with pulling on the apron strings of a caregiver. Granted, this is necessary for the new users, but for the older ones who post and are NOT condescending, it's a tad insulting, at least to me.

At 7/9/09 11:46 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

Use that word again and you're getting banned. How many bans do we have to hand out about this before you guys get it?

I still can't believe you honestly ban people for that, yet words like 'fuck' 'shit' or 'cunt' are the perfectly acceptable.

It's not even an offensive word anymore.

I think certain mods need to stop locking threads just because they don;t like it. It has happened to me numerous times.

At 7/10/09 12:42 AM, Mendou wrote:

At 7/9/09 11:46 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

Use that word again and you're getting banned. How many bans do we have to hand out about this before you guys get it?

I still can't believe you honestly ban people for that, yet words like 'fuck' 'shit' or 'cunt' are the perfectly acceptable.

It's not even an offensive word anymore.

I love calling people faggots all the damn time. Both on the internet and in real life, every chance I get.
The problem in question happens to be that IT IS AGAINST THE MOTHERFUCKING RULES TO CALL SOMEONE A FAGGOT ON THESE BULLETIN BOARDS. Therefore I refrain from doing so. There aren't exceptions to that rule. Tom decided that he doesn't want homosexuals being called faggots or the term being used as an insult all together and that was the end of that.

Have staff members and some of the mod team called people faggots in the recent past?

Probably...
But you and 99% of the people posting in this thread aren't mods or staff and will not get away with it.

Is that fair? WTF POOZY?!?! I wanna call stupid people faggots too!!

Tough shit, don't do it and you wont get banned. These boards are part of a privately owned website and your opinion is worth way less than you think.

At 7/10/09 12:35 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: If there's one thing I've said before in this thread(somehwere), it's the backseat modding rule. And yes, I have read NEVR's news post about it, and you can call me stupid, dumb, slow, ignorant, whatever; the bottom line is that I don't exactly like PM'ing a Mod EVERY time a user needs some help. It's so much easier to point them in the right direction without sounding elitist, but the problem is this: What's the difference between pointing them in the right direction and just telling them where they need to post?

There's a lot of room for confusion and differing opinions as far as the backseat modding rule is concerned.

Frankly, I don't think ANYBODY should be getting banned for just trying to be helpful, but the problem is that some users do come off as condescending or whatever when all they're really trying to do is be helpful.

I try to ban for backseat modding as LITTLE as possible, because most of the time, unless it's a user saying "MODS SHOULD BE DOING THIS", or something along those lines, it's usually just someone trying to be helpful.

I just had a conversation via PM with a user who was banned for backseat modding, and I told him that the best way to avoid having a mod misinterpret your post when you're trying to point another user in the right direction, is to make the tone of your post as clearly benevolent as possible. Put a smiling emoticon at the top of your post, for example... or one at the end of your post. Or both, lol.

The point is, if you make it really obvious that you're just being nice and trying to help a user out, then you shouldn't get banned. There's nothing in the rules against just being nice and helping people out, but if a mod sees your post and thinks you're being a bit of an ass about it, then... yeah.

So, in summary, make the TONE obvious. If there's room for a mod to come in and say you're being an ass, then you're leaving yourself open for a ban which frankly, you shouldn't be getting if you're just trying to help out.

At 7/10/09 12:42 AM, Mendou wrote: It's not even an offensive word anymore.

I think that depends, really. I also think there's the larger issue of the fact that the admins obviously don't want their site to be seen as one that will allow its userbase to fling around homophobic / racist / sexist (etc.) language like monkeys throw around their own crap. That's not really the image anybody should want from a site they frequent, regardless of how accustomed people have become to using / hearing those words.

The bottom line is that the rule is still there, so we're still going to ban for it. And to be fair, it's rule number one, and it's probably the one I see broken the most frequently.

The mods are doing a great job. The people who are not enjoying the BBS are the people who are getting banned and think that trolling and spam is cool.

At 7/10/09 01:58 AM, WingCommand wrote: The mods are doing a great job. The people who are not enjoying the BBS are the people who are getting banned and think that trolling and spam is cool.

Urk... I've been making bad posts lately... Should get myself back on track =X

At 7/10/09 01:58 AM, WingCommand wrote: The mods are doing a great job. The people who are not enjoying the BBS are the people who are getting banned and think that trolling and spam is cool.

Don't forget to swallow.

Wow this thread is still going. Like a tiny tiny bandaid and a droplet of neosporin on the great open sore of the bbs.

At 7/9/09 08:44 PM, AshfordPride wrote: Newgrounds is sustained by it's community, and they should always come first.

Its nice to wish for things isnt it? But nope. Newgrounds is supported by the ads on the games on this site. The games are what make the most money and keep this place going, sadly. The BBS is but a luxurious little hovel for people who hate the content here to hang out and pretend they do. If it were deleted (or improved. lets giggle at the thought) nothing would change about the overall audience or money to be made.

At 7/10/09 12:56 AM, EyeLovePoozy wrote: I love calling people faggots all the damn time. Both on the internet and in real life, every chance I get.

damn straight.

Tough shit, don't do it and you wont get banned. These boards are part of a privately owned website and your opinion is worth way less than you think.

I wasn't even aware they were worth anything here.

At 7/10/09 01:23 AM, NEVR wrote: when you're trying to point another user in the right direction, is to make the tone of your post as clearly benevolent as possible. Put a smiling emoticon at the top of your post, for example... or one at the end of your post. Or both, lol.

I hear in 2011 there will be a Newgrounds currency added to the system. Each time you post TEH AGNRY FAIC you get 10 Fulp Dollars which can be used to buy features like an 'edit' button or a super secret peak into secret places on newgrounds.
Fulp Dollars will eventually replace the Revenue Sharing system. Personally I cant wait to set up my own personal checking account at The First International Bank of Fulp.

I can buy bratwurst at the Butchers.....bagels at the Bakers......ten different kinds of pies...season tickets for the Lakers!

So, in summary, make the TONE obvious.

aka 'if a mod cant recognize internet sarcasm (the lowest form of the lowest form of wit) then you will be punished accordingly from our garden of eden.'

At 7/10/09 12:42 AM, Mendou wrote: I think that depends, really. I also think there's the larger issue of the fact that the admins obviously don't want their site to be seen as one that will allow its userbase to fling around homophobic / racist / sexist (etc.) language like monkeys throw around their own crap.

But its perfectly fine to frontpage cartoons that do this, right? The BBS is a family enviroment. Like Las Vegas.

At 7/10/09 01:58 AM, WingCommand wrote: The mods are doing a great job. The people who are not enjoying the BBS are the people who are getting banned and think that trolling and spam is cool.

And who's adorable little alt account are you?
Before he was mod even Blue Hippo got banned for no reason several times. And he's probably the most helpful kind and fair motherfucker in this whole horrible place.

Tell me how that's right.

Tell me.

:)

there's a smiley face so the TONE of the post is happy :D and theres another
GOTTA KEEP ON SMILING FOR BIG BROTHER

haha fun with friends ^-^ i love u guys

SMILE

Newgrounds BBS is plain out just strict...it's like it's forcing a bunch of stupid 13 year old's to be mature, but will that happen? Most likely not.

But I honestly don't care...I sort of like the BBS at this moment of time, even though I've done some stupid things and given myself a bad impression to others.

1. Talk to users more/have conversations with us in PM!
2. Don't apologize for banning, just make sure it's worthy of a ban, such as PMing us and asking "wtf were you thinking?" in cases of uncertainty...
3. Levels and postcount only go so far. I think we should adopt the Overclock.net forum method of having "Rep" points, and assigning rep+ to posts we find useful, helpful, or entertaining.

Just to add to what NEVR was saying, links also help. Like if you see someone making a post that clearly fits into another forum, politely tell the user "I think this would be better served in this forum" and then link to it. Or if it might fit into a club or a thread elsewhere you know of, and you happen to have the link throw it up.

I think it's important to encourage people to help each other and I'd really like to see the BBS police itself more and the mods be more able to kick back and act like regular users (and to be honest, I think we are in forums that aren't this one). But General is the most trafficked part of the BBS, it's where the most rule breaking and abuse occurs because, well, it's a general forum. So you also have to take that into account to, that the aviewaskewed you see in this forum is not neccessarily the aviewaskewed you see in politics, where I have to do less actual modding and just post more like a reg, and even that is much different then the avie you'll see in C & C where I do very VERY little modding these days and just post in the club threads I enjoy.

Also agreed with Poozy on the whole "it's the rule" the rule on that word is very very clear, you might not like it but, too bad, it's Tom's site and unless and until he makes a news post putting it to a site wide vote of "would you like to remove the ban on the word faggot?" you'll just have to live with not saying it as part of your terms of use here. I think the rest of us should strive not to use it too so it's fair and all that but, it's not like we can control what other people do.

Also saw about having conversations with people via PM, and when the opportunity arises, I DO have conversations with people via PM about things that are related to my modding, or just general stuff sometimes. But if the PM is spam (which I get from time to time) or just flat out abusive, you can expect me to either delete it, or make a funny abusive quip back and then dismiss anything else you have to say. I come here for fun, not to be messed with by idiots. I welcome any and all serious PM's or comments on my user page that non-asshole users want to throw my way.

At 5/31/09 11:00 AM, Jonas wrote: If you make a shitty post, I'll delete it, but realistically, let's chat and talk about how we can make the BBS a solid fun place again. It's cool if you don't see anything wrong with the BBS, and it's better if you can help me figure out what the users think.

Obviously, I haven't been on this site frequently since my main account was hacked.
From how things used to be, assuming not much has changed. The main problem I had with the Moderation Team in general (not all obviously) was the fact that so many of them just looked for things to ban or lock. Not sure if the rule still stands, but I do believe there was a time posting 4chan meme's would get you banned. Quotes such as "Do a Barrel Roll" would get a mandatory three day ban. Whereas, back in the day, BigBadRon could reply to every topic "LOL" and be a moderator. Should he have been banned? No, many found it funny, but still it was funny arguably so, as is anything.
Some would reply "Do a Barrel Roll" for the sheer fact that it was so overused and were being Ironic. Sure there would be a number of +1 posters doing things like this, but the whole theory that "Large post counts don't matter" should apply to those trying to rapidly gain in post count, and at most should simply have their post deleted.
4Chan aside, I've seen numerous threads that were highly comical, get deleted from mods who were such sticklers about the rules they could be likened to a Mall Security Guard who wanted to use his "power" (or lack there of) as a means of letting out his frustrations or whatever other possible reason he has for acting with no discretion. For such a site that once thrived on it's offensiveness to have such a plethora of rules seems to be such a blatant hypocrisy that it's comical.

However, at this point in time, the main problem I have is simply getting my main account back without an Admins bias against me, and perhaps actually take a look into whoever did the hacking (assuming they still go here) and have some form of reprimanding.

At 7/10/09 02:31 AM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote:

At 7/10/09 01:58 AM, WingCommand wrote: The mods are doing a great job. The people who are not enjoying the BBS are the people who are getting banned and think that trolling and spam is cool.

And who's adorable little alt account are you?
Before he was mod even Blue Hippo got banned for no reason several times. And he's probably the most : : helpful kind and fair motherfucker in this whole horrible place.

I'm not an alt, but I guess I wasn't around here long enough to know that. Thanks for the info though.

Everybody quit bitchin'. It's not that hard to follow rules. To get along, you gotta go along.

Mods are just doing their jobs, like you could do better.

I for one would appreciate it if mods wouldnt delete threads without any explanation whatsoever. I make threads sometimes that have absolutley nothing wrong with them, and literally 1 minute later TOPS they are deleted without any source of explanation. Once I made a thread about Yoshi77777 being back to newgrounds, and all of a sudden i couldnt find my thread.. because it was deleted.

I know your a busy mod, but because you are a mod you have that responsobillity and therefore you should do the responsabillity and tell the user why you deleted the thread that he worked on for 10 minutes.

Also, thank you very much for making this thread. I hope that it helps mods and the users.

At 7/10/09 12:42 AM, Mendou wrote:

At 7/9/09 11:46 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

Use that word again and you're getting banned. How many bans do we have to hand out about this before you guys get it?

I still can't believe you honestly ban people for that, yet words like 'fuck' 'shit' or 'cunt' are the perfectly acceptable.

It's not even an offensive word anymore.

what about EyeLovePoozy?! He says "faggot" time after time again! Along with "cunt".\, "cock", "duick", "I fuck your mom", e.t.c. Now that is just plain hypocritical... But i shouldn't complain because the mods do more good than we realize. Without them the forum would be absolutley awful. Sure it is awful right now, but it could be much much MUch worse. *4chan /b*

At 7/9/09 11:14 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote: I see the point, and I can tell why it looks like an abuse of power (if you can really call it that), but at the same time I can find reasons to disagree with it.

I agree that my post was pretty opinionated (particularly on the humour part of things) and that there's a possibility I was having a nice relaxing drink while writing. It was really just a specific issue that had bugged me a little, and I felt like using this thread to just bring up my thoughts. I really am repeating myself here, but I do think most of the mods are fine people who do a decent job. I agree with what some users say too and that it shouldn't really be dwelled on too much, seeing as this is just an online forum. there are things that could be improved, which is really the objective of the thread as you know. Once again, it's not just the mods either. I actually think some of the quickest and easiest ways to change the place are made by the regular user themselves. I don't know if that makes sense, but hopefully you get me.

I understand too about not bothering with something you don't like. I post that all the time myself, particularly when the discussion is on the prospect of a literature forum/portal. I would be being extremely hypocritical (maybe I was being hypocritical?) if complained about that exlcusively as "affecting" me. My point is though I think, that the regulars that have said they're leaving the place have often put things about... well, what my post was about on the last page. I don't often talk about the "double standards" that some users claim to see, because I think it's something that's easily overexagerated... but I think it's a bit silly to just treat everyone like crap and outright do things that some people would be banned for. I honestly think we're more intelligent than that.

I know why mods like Poozy (sorry for naming him there again, but it's the easiest example) do their whole "badass" act: because it's supposed to appeal to the kids, and it's quick. You can try to change something for years mildly, and you might still have a few problems here and there. This way, it might seem as if things are dealt with more quickly... but I believe that it's really just putting fuel on an already volatile situation.

I have to go for dinner now, so I'm going ot have ot cut myself off here I'm afraid. Maybe I'll post again later. And yes, I know what you mean by having to piece some words together yourself. Hell, it's my personal disclaimer in some posts about "the system" around here!

At 7/10/09 03:26 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: I for one would appreciate it if mods wouldnt delete threads without any explanation whatsoever. I make threads sometimes that have absolutley nothing wrong with them...

Apparently, a moderator didn't feel the same way.

and literally 1 minute later TOPS they are deleted without any source of explanation. Once I made a thread about Yoshi77777 being back to newgrounds, and all of a sudden i couldnt find my thread.. because it was deleted.

Just about everyone who's been coming to the forums for at least a few months is aware of the no "I'm back" threads rule. even if it's made by another user, it's still not allowed.

I know your a busy mod, but because you are a mod you have that responsobillity and therefore you should do the responsabillity and tell the user why you deleted the thread that he worked on for 10 minutes.

Just like every user, new or not, has a similar responsibility to familiarize his or her self with the rules. They are at the top of every page on every forum, not hard to find, with a specially colored icon to help catch the eye. And guess what, they take about 3-5 minutes to read and can save you the 10 minutes you might have wasted making a thread which violates them.

If a moderator feels it necessary or wants to give the courtesy of explaining why he/she deleted a thread, that's at the discretion of the mod. Some might, some might not. If we had to explain to every topic starter why their thread was deleted, half our time would be taken up writing pm's. When the topic is deleted and the topic starter is banned for it, the ban message should be sufficient explanation. If your topic was deleted and you weren't banned for it, read the rules and see if your topic violated any of them or check to see if a similar thread already exists, and consider yourself lucky. Take that as a sign that the thread was crap and you should rethink what a "good" thread is.

I think the BBS is just swell. Apart from assholes.

At 7/10/09 03:31 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: what about EyeLovePoozy?! He says "faggot" time after time again! Along with "cunt".\, "cock", "duick", "I fuck your mom", e.t.c. Now that is just plain hypocritical...

Remember what I said about there's the way I might like things to go but I can't tell other people how to operate? Also the only word you're mentioning here that is banned is faggot, nothing else on that list is prohibited. It's up to Mr. Poozy if he wants to stop using that word, I've made my opinions clear that I personally think everyone should, but that's just me. It's sort of like how cops get to break the rules and you don't, is it fair? No, not really, but unless they're breaking the law all the time, and in a serious way...well, you just have to accept it as one of life's more crappy aspects.

I think it's not just the mods. It's the fact that the trolls and spammers don't care about getting banned, so you can ban them over and over again, but you can't stop them from coming back. Is there such thing as a permaban? Mods should hand those out to consistently trolling users.

Avie....

Why the fuck do you just assume that what a user posted in this thread is true?

I will suck my own dick on cam and then eat a motherfucking bullet if anyone in this thread can give five examples of me using the word faggot in a derogatory fashion on these forums AFTER Wade made that reminder thread.

This thread is CHOCK FULL of wild accusations and ridiculous insinuations. I can still smell the butthurt from this thread two hours after I log off, for Christs sake.

At 7/9/09 11:46 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: it's RULE 1 UNDER THE ONES WE TELL YOU RESULT IN BANS!!

# Using racist, sexist, homophobic or hateful language.

it's retarded

Wouldn't that be covered by the same rule?

I mean, given the three specifics (racism, sexism, homophobia) the context would suggest that by 'hateful' the rules mean 'discriminatory' more than anything else, this seems to be backed up by you mentioning later in this thread that other swear words are not covered by the rule.

So would retarded not fit in with other bannable words like faggot or spic?

One discriminates based on race, one on sexuality and one on mental health.

Should the rules not be applied fairly and evenly, like delicious icing on the moist cake that is the BBS?

At 7/11/09 12:07 AM, EyeLovePoozy wrote:

I will suck my own dick on cam and then eat a motherfucking bullet if anyone in this thread can give five examples of me using the word faggot in a derogatory fashion on these forums AFTER Wade made that reminder thread.

Give me the date of when Wade made that thread, and I will go spelunking through your posts to clear up any lies about my Poozy!