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Posted at: 6/3/09 03:56 AM

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At 6/3/09 03:48 AM, crapatflash wrote: Having BBS rules open to read I think is pretty pointless. I mean, if you bought a new video game, how many of you would read the instruction manual? You wouldn't, you would just jump right in and get the feel for the controls yourself.

But the video game isn't going to suddenly lock you out for a few days for playing incorrectly.

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At 6/3/09 03:56 AM, THEJamoke wrote:
At 6/3/09 03:48 AM, crapatflash wrote: Having BBS rules open to read I think is pretty pointless. I mean, if you bought a new video game, how many of you would read the instruction manual? You wouldn't, you would just jump right in and get the feel for the controls yourself.
But the video game isn't going to suddenly lock you out for a few days for playing incorrectly.

Pinball comes to mind. And as an avid reader of video game instruction manuals, my natural mindset is to say that not displaying the BBS rules to the people who would need them the most would be, in nicer terms, a mistake. Besides the obvious shortfalls involving certain users taking advantage of it, there are liability issues that could get the website in trouble. Good thing that's a lock for something that won't change.

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At 6/3/09 02:20 AM, mwmike wrote:
At 5/31/09 11:27 AM, Luis wrote: The backseat modding thing is the one that gets me. I have never heard of a more absurd reason to ban people.
I've never really liked this rule, but because it was taken too far, rather than that it's generally a bad rule. A lot of the time I've spoken to users who have been banned for backseat modding for making a mere suggestion to a user...

IN regards to back-seat moderation...

Personally I think there is a massive difference between someone saying "Yo, you should post this in a more appropriate forum, here is a link" and "Wrong forum, you are going to get banned lol".

If I see someone being helpful and directing an inexperienced user to the right forum, there is no way in hell I'm going to ban them. That would just be ludicrous. The rule is in place to prevent +1 posting nonsense, such as:

"Lets see how long it takes for the OP to be banned".
"I'm posting here even though I know this thread will be deleted".
"Prepare to be banned".
"Lock".

ETC, ETC.

.........

But thats just obvious. Like pretty much all our rules here, it's all about CONTEXT. I know some of you are craving black and white definitions of things, but when you are dealing with an internet forum and human beings in general, nothing is black and white. Each case must be viewed individually.

To everyone whining and carrying on in this thread...

The double standards are never going to go away. They are an integral part of life. To anyone getting all worked up, I would suggest taking a step back, removing your head from your arsehole, and realising you are talking about posting/getting banned on a BBS.

IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.

Yes. I'm sure these forums would run more smoothly if all the moderators took advice from the userbase on how to do their job.

But don't mind me, I'm old and bitter. Please continue.

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At 5/31/09 11:00 AM, Jonas wrote: I'm not going to ban anyone posting in here provided you act civil.

ahahhahaha

Stuff like this reminds me why I keep coming here. Its a barrel o' laughs.


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At 6/3/09 05:05 AM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote:
At 5/31/09 11:00 AM, Jonas wrote: I'm not going to ban anyone posting in here provided you act civil.
ahahhahaha

Stuff like this reminds me why I keep coming here. Its a barrel o' laughs.

Jonas is simply saying, don't expect to break the rules in this thread just because it's an open discussion with moderators, rather, that if you come to the table with good manners and a thought out response, we will not take action against you because you dont like that we use the destroy feature, banned you, locked your thread.

If, however, you come in here with "fuck you you fucking asshole", don't expect to get away with it.

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http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1066 994/2

This kind of abuse is not acceptable, if he didn't want open discussion he should have locked the thread or is that thread open so fanboys can suck his cock. Is that how he sleeps at night?

That fucking moron, and yes he is a fucking moron is the reason people are leaving the site, this is supposed to be everything by everyone.

There should be no reason why a user faces abuse for stating an opinion.


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At 6/3/09 10:18 AM, CanadianSnowman wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1066 994/2

This kind of abuse is not acceptable, if he didn't want open discussion he should have locked the thread or is that thread open so fanboys can suck his cock. Is that how he sleeps at night?

That fucking moron, and yes he is a fucking moron is the reason people are leaving the site, this is supposed to be everything by everyone.

There should be no reason why a user faces abuse for stating an opinion.

Oi, idiot.

This isn't the first time a mod has made a thread stating as new rule, and they like Poozy today don't leave it up for the discussion. The reason the thread stays open is so people can ask questions about the rule and to keep other users informed as they visit General at different times of the hour.

Find something better to moan about.

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At 6/3/09 10:18 AM, CanadianSnowman wrote:

Can you please stop whining like a little bitch, its borderline pathetic.


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At 6/3/09 10:25 AM, CanadianSnowman wrote: Do you find it easier to chow down on mod cock?

Do you find it bothersome to be on the rag 24/7?

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At 6/3/09 10:26 AM, Gagsy wrote:
At 6/3/09 10:25 AM, CanadianSnowman wrote: Do you find it easier to chow down on mod cock?
Do you find it bothersome to be on the rag 24/7?

Nope, because there is always someone like you to rag on, so I don't carry it around.


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At 6/3/09 10:27 AM, CanadianSnowman wrote:
Nope, because there is always someone like you to rag on, so I don't carry it around.

And by 'it' you mean your raging, over emotional blood dripping cunt?

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At 6/3/09 10:27 AM, CanadianSnowman wrote: Nope, because there is always someone like you to rag on, so I don't carry it around.

I wonder why people don't treat you seriously in this thread.

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At 6/3/09 10:32 AM, Gagsy wrote:
At 6/3/09 10:27 AM, CanadianSnowman wrote:
Nope, because there is always someone like you to rag on, so I don't carry it around.
And by 'it' you mean your raging, over emotional blood dripping cunt?

I feel wanted and hated and confused and worrying over picking this name. All in one!

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At 6/3/09 10:35 AM, SCUD14 wrote:
At 6/3/09 10:27 AM, CanadianSnowman wrote: Nope, because there is always someone like you to rag on, so I don't carry it around.
I wonder why people don't treat you seriously in this thread.

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I appreciate you guys trying to talk sense into CanadianSnowman but do us all a favor and don't flame each other in this thread. Just ignore him as he is obviously about to start crying and we don't want that.

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Both of you are posting off topic, this is your warning to stop. 5 minute leeway, unless you quote this post in which case I know you've read it and ignored it. Take it to pm.

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At 6/3/09 10:44 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Both of you are posting off topic, this is your warning to stop. 5 minute leeway, unless you quote this post in which case I know you've read it and ignored it. Take it to pm.

Dam, I should refresh the page. :P

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At 6/3/09 10:44 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Both of you are posting off topic, this is your warning to stop. 5 minute leeway, unless you quote this post in which case I know you've read it and ignored it. Take it to pm.

There we go, warning system ^_-

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At 6/3/09 10:55 AM, SCUD14 wrote:
At 6/3/09 10:44 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Both of you are posting off topic, this is your warning to stop. 5 minute leeway, unless you quote this post in which case I know you've read it and ignored it. Take it to pm.
There we go, warning system ^_-

Well at least one of them has got it right.


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I don't mean to start sounding like some sort of holier-than-thou, partly uninformed idiot, but I don't really think putting "users that claim to have been slighted" (to use EyeLovePoozy's words), versus a single, easily identifiable figure of "BBS Moderator", is exactly the best way to be going through this thread. I think then, you risk running both sides (and as I've said before, there aren't just two sides really) of the argument into a land of e-anger, e-tears and flame. I know it's worked fine for a majority, who have managed to discuss things they like and don't like without resorting to more childish tactics, which is something that should be kept in mind when trying to identify "complainers". After all, I don't think many people, who aren't on "either end", would like to be tarred with the same brush as a user who isn't using much of an argument to simply complain about this single, objectifiable figure representing every single mod. The figure doesn't exist, by the way.

On this hot topic, yes, I agree that some rules need to be highlighted more clearly for those not in the know, rules on Zerok's blog for instance. That's something that's already been discussed here, and many people agree with it, it seems. That doesn't mean it's appropriate to dispute a new rule whenever. Come on, it's been, what, an hour and a half since that "/thread rule" was announced? It will become integrated into how people operate around here over time, as have many of the similar rules in Zerok's blog and elsewhere (e.g. posting lol, I/we don't care, TL:DR, and nothing else). Yes, eventually, it might need to be brought up for newer users, but I think it's better to give it time. On top of that, I hardly think searching for holes in how the mods work will get anyone anywhere: as has already been discussed, if you treat a mod in a certain way to try and find something like that, it's likely the same will happen to you. That's not good for either side, in my opinion.

Again, I don't mean to be preachy, but I'd rather not see this thing descend into some flaming grill, where it might be the case that the mods look at it and think, "Well, they couldn't handle that very well, could they? Might as well lock/delete the thing." I'm sorry if I've kind of stepped over my unspoken boundaries here, but eh, it's my two cents. Sorry for what might seem to be stuffy and over-serious once more, but that's the way Scarab rolls a lot of the time: stuffy, serious, stressful, and maybe sentimental at times. I heard it works with the ladiez.

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We need better videogame mods in my opinion.
Not mods that already exist that play videogames, but users that play a lot of videogames that could be good mods.

Possibly mods that could be limited to that one section.

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Admit they're wrong. I've never seen a moderator openly admit they're wrong in a thread. They either ignore or delete a post that proves them wrong (hell, I juat had a post deleted for pointing out a mod slipped up) or they call whoever proved them wrong an 'angsty teenager who I don't have to listen to'. It would be nice if they showed some integrity and owned up to their shortcomings once in a while.

At 5/31/09 11:00 AM, Jonas wrote: I actually just cleared several bans and sent apologies out solely because I made a mistake, and should have sent a warning to the users instead of banning them, and I want your guys opinion.

I admire you for that.

And as for the whole angsty teenager arguement, so many others users do it. Trying to belittle someone is not clever or funny, it just shows you can't argue your case properly and you have to turn to emotional/physical attributes.

There also seems to be a fair bit of hypocricy from some of the mods. Apparently the /thread thing isn't funny, yet hearing about how Poozy fucks your mother is always hilarious.

But hey, what do I know, I'm just a sad, lonely, friendless teenager who's on his period...

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At 6/3/09 12:45 PM, super-sense wrote: Admit they're wrong. I've never seen a moderator openly admit they're wrong in a thread.o

This stuff is all so minor. A mod admitting they were wrong about something wouldn't help the running of the BBS, it would just stroke reg's egos IMO.

It seems to me that this thread is becoming less about what would make the BBS better, and more about ways for regulars to get one up on the moderation team for all the times that they feel they've been treated unfairly. At least, that's how it seems to me, could be interpreting it wrongly.

I sincerely apologise to any user who feels they have been treated unfairly by me in the past, but the point of this thread isn't for angry users to vent about their past run-ins with mods, it's so that we can move forwards and try to work together a little bit more. We all have to be here together, so we should ALL make an effort to get along better, not just mods, not just regular users.

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At 5/31/09 11:05 AM, Jin wrote: There was a time when these roblox threads were everywhere and I posted in one of them. Well, I got a 2 days ban but I thought a warning could suffice. Mods may have been too tight on their bansticks.

That reminds me. I once posted a thread asking why statwhoring was objectionable... And I got a ban. Not even a warning, not to mention it wasn't even listed in the BBS rules. And the person who banned me (can't remember) didn't even answer my question.


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At 6/3/09 01:18 PM, NEVR wrote:
At 6/3/09 12:45 PM, super-sense wrote: Admit they're wrong. I've never seen a moderator openly admit they're wrong in a thread.o
This stuff is all so minor. A mod admitting they were wrong about something wouldn't help the running of the BBS, it would just stroke reg's egos IMO.

I think it would, regs would feel like they're on the same playing field. Sure, you guys do have power, and that's fair enough, you've earned it. The reason so many regulars are leaving is because they've got the impression that the BBS mods are power hungry and corrupt. If mods admitted they were wrong then they would appear less like egotistical jackass' (not saying you all appear to be, just some) and more like normal people that we can have a discussion with, even if that means disagreeing with them.

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At 6/2/09 08:48 PM, jmalouin7 wrote: Your last ban from stickam was from bitching about being kicked in the stickam thread. you got kicked because you were annoying the fuck out of everyone in there. then you bitched in thread about it.

When you bitch in the thread about being kicked, it is the same about bitching about bans you have received, which is against the BBS rules.

Shut up, I wasn't talking about my LAST ban dipshit, I was talking about my last one where I had said absolutely nothing on the BBS. Get your fucking facts straight.

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I don't know if it's been said before, but is there a way that all of the "Unwritten rules" of Ng, could be put into the official rules? I don't think they're extensive enough.

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At 6/3/09 01:36 PM, super-sense wrote: I think it would, regs would feel like they're on the same playing field.

The way for a regular to feel like they're on the same playing field as a mod is to be mature about matters as opposed to acting out when something unfavourable happens. If you've been treated unfairly and the mod who treated you unfairly won't budge from their orignal position, then just forget it and move on.

This way, we have a higher level of maturity amongst the userbase. If newer users see older regs aspiring to be more mature (especially around the mods), then they'll follow suit. The regulars of this site are SO important, because they are whom newer users model themselves on.

Sure, you guys do have power, and that's fair enough, you've earned it. The reason so many regulars are leaving is because they've got the impression that the BBS mods are power hungry and corrupt.

Perhaps, but I think there are other reasons for those regulars leaving as well. I don't want to see regs leaving, but if they are set on leaving then there's probably myriad factors involved in their decision.

Could be wrong though, which is why I TRY to be nice most of the time. Understand though, that sometimes as a mod it does feel like you're considered "the enemy" by a large portion of the userbase, even if that's not what you'd like to be.

If mods admitted they were wrong then they would appear less like egotistical jackass' (not saying you all appear to be, just some) and more like normal people that we can have a discussion with, even if that means disagreeing with them.

Yes, but that's up to the individual mod. As much as we try to stick together about things (we are a team after all), we're ultimately all different people, so some of us will admit when we're wrong, and others will have too much pride to do so.

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