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At 5/29/09 06:57 PM, Im-A-Pirate wrote:

At 5/29/09 01:15 PM, Monocrom wrote:

Fact is, no one alive right now was around long enough to have witnessed evolution. Saying something is a definite fact, when you weren't even around to see it, kinda not the best way to convince someone. Evolution is still just a theory. An extremely popular one.

It makes more sense than an invisible man in the sky who controls everything.

When you think about it, it's the other way around...

Christians believe that the Universe was formed by a divine being. That it was created by "someone," for lack of a better word. Creationists think that the Universe came from nothing.

It's not like it stops. I said it'll go at a slower rate, when survival is not an so important issue then would be if a species can't survive at all at that ambient.
Of course we're evolving. It'd be stupid to think otherwise. We didn't had cars that are almost like spaceships, telephones that can be carried around and are smalle than your hand, missiles that can destroy half of he planet's life. Just look at the past. How can someone say we're not envolving?

that =/= humans
also...

HUMAN DON'T EVOLUTE FROM MONKIES!!!!
humans make humans
monkey make monkey
type is different, animal is the SAME!!!

shit i bet ya they didn't show the other animals like bugs and what not around the "link"
think about it. that "link" didn't live by it self, they live in a area with trees,bugs, and other animals.
that would give a more clear....fuck

if anyone want to believe they "evoluted" from monkies like a fucking pokemon!!!
go right on ahead!

At 5/29/09 05:50 AM, Im-A-Pirate wrote: because the idea of a invisible man in the sky who watches over the earth MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

Neither does Quantam Mechanics.

At 5/31/09 01:22 AM, gmoeny01 wrote: HUMAN DON'T EVOLUTE FROM MONKIES!!!!
humans make humans
monkey make monkey
type is different, animal is the SAME!!!

if anyone want to believe they "evoluted" from monkies like a fucking pokemon!!!
go right on ahead!

You're a fucking moron that thinks evolution's like in Pokemon where an animal strats to flash and all of sudden becomes another animal. God damn, there's people that stupid in the planet
Evoltuions takes fucking of billions of years to happen, you idiot. It's not an instaneous event...

shit i bet ya they didn't show the other animals like bugs and what not around the "link"
think about it. that "link" didn't live by it self, they live in a area with trees,bugs, and other animals.
that would give a more clear....fuck

And the fuck's sake you tried to say in there? It didn't make any sense, so if you're going to randomly spit shit all over the thread, at least try to make it legible

i know a lot of you are just taking the piss out of this whole thing and thats fine, but anyone who still genuinely doesn't get that evolution is fact has either been indoctrinated into false and archaic religious beliefs or theyre just plain retarded. just because "god put a bunch of ugly animals and some people on a planet in the centre of the universe cause he felt like it" is easier to understand than "due to massively rare circumstances a small planet was formed at the right distance from a big ball of constant explosions so that liquid h2o could exist and microscopic, carbon-based life could be formed and over billions of years due to mutations a few of these organisms managed to slowly evolve into multi-celled organisms via the process of natural selection one of which was human beings and there is evidence in both the fossil record and in the similarity between the dna of species which don't even look the same" people seem content with any bullshit religion will feed them as long as at the end of the day they think that theyre the centre of the universe and everyone gets a big shiney cloud to sit on at the end of the day.

even if, and i stress the word if the theory of evolution is not 100% accurate. that isn't because religion got it right. its because there is more evidence out there that we just havent found yet. but given all the evidence we have, evolution is the most likely explanation. THAT IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS. there are so, so many reasons why any religion is wrong, both factually and ideologically. you can't just go around feeding people lies if you want mankind to get anywhere. there's plenty of arguments to prove that god did NOT create the heavens and the earth. and plenty more arguments to prove that there is no god at all.

and someone is probably going to say "oh but religion stops bad things from happening. and look how happy we all are". firstly, religion does not stop bad things from happening. it might sound cliche, but name one war where religious ideology wasnt either a cause or a major factor. and dont say "well if they all converted to my religion there would be no war" because you are just as wrong as them and you cant prove otherwise. secondly, being happy because you're lied to doesnt make it right. people say 'my life is great because god made it so'. well a lot of people in cults would say the same thing. you look at a case study of any cult and tell me if you think those people are better off. and i've got news for you religious people, you are no different from people in a cult. the only difference is that there are a lot more of you, and for one reason or another you have been deemed socially acceptable.

anyone who genuinely thinks that mankind would be better off with religion than without needs to get their head out of their own ass and get some perspective.

i read a nice quote the other day:
"civilisation will not attain perfection until the last stone, from the last church, falls on the last priest."

amen to that

At 5/31/09 01:52 AM, Andy-Parker wrote: i read a nice quote the other day:
"civilisation will not attain perfection until the last stone, from the last church, falls on the last priest."

amen to that

My version is: Humanity will never be free until the last King is hangged with the last Priest's intestines

By the way, I heard that this whole "missing link" fossil is a bit over-hyped. NPR interviewed a couple of scientists about it and they said that it is too early to say whether the fossil is actually an ancestor of man or just an offshoot of another species (I think Lemurs were mentioned, not sure).
It's easy to think that scientists are in it for the pure pursuit of science, but there are many who will bypass good science to get their names in the papers. If the fossil had been held as a "possible" ancestor of man, and the words "missing link" used only as a possibility, then most of us wouldn't have heard about it at all.

At 5/30/09 09:11 AM, Davidzx wrote: hmm, thats the thing, if apes became humans, then what will humans become?

another big mystery we will find out eventually.

This questions presumes that humans are evolving genetically. but in order to do that, natural selection has to take place. Do you see natural selection happening to humans as a species?

Not that it matters for a religious argument, since christians just believe god created evolution now.

thanks for the sterotype, dumbass
im not even going to try to explain to you my theory, instead, im going to ask, why is it important to know about evolution? they aren't using this "missing" link to cure aids. whats the point of wasting all this time and money into finding this, when it could be going to something good? seems stupid to me

Christians believe that the Universe was formed by a divine being. That it was created by "someone," for lack of a better word. Creationists think that the Universe came from nothing.

not someone, something (god/allah, what ever you wish to call him) is no person
people believing that christians belive that an all powerful invisible man are moronic
we dont believe that, we believe in god, who is no man, he is not human and does not have the same emotions we have, he is all forgiving, even for the worst of the worst sinners.

At 5/31/09 03:19 AM, AgentXRifle wrote:
im not even going to try to explain to you my theory,

Good because your theory is probably retarded, I have a better theory which is backed by basically the whole scientific community and a shot load of evidence in fact my theory is so good they teach it in schools all around the world, it's called the THEORY OF EVOLUTION you stupid twat

At 5/31/09 03:19 AM, AgentXRifle wrote:

Not that it matters for a religious argument, since christians just believe god created evolution now.

thanks for the sterotype, dumbass
im not even going to try to explain to you my theory, instead, im going to ask, why is it important to know about evolution? they aren't using this "missing" link to cure aids. whats the point of wasting all this time and money into finding this, when it could be going to something good? seems stupid to me

Well, now what exactly good to humanity, praying and believing in God, does? Faith wil sure (and I MEAN SURE) will not cure AIDS, neither will solv any other problem in the world. Much the opposite now, it only brings shit to this world...
(By the way, I'm not talking about you, neither am I saying that you believe on disbelieve in something. I'm just making a point)

The reason why people who believe in evolution can't get other people to think there way is because of 2 reasons.

1. Those who believe in a higher power will stick to their story regardless.
2. When religious arguments come up, when evolutionists are confronted with the arrogant smugness that comes with religion (God's real, just deal with it!... ect), evolutionists start acting jackassy (you're a dumbass, like your idealistic bullshit can really go against this proof).

It's a cycle of bullshit. Luckily, I don't have an opinion, because I ceased to think about how the world starts or ends.

Moral of the story - Curiosity kills the cat - and evolutonists are just kicking a dead kitten.

At 5/31/09 03:19 AM, AgentXRifle wrote: im not even going to try to explain to you my theory, instead, im going to ask, why is it important to know about evolution? they aren't using this "missing" link to cure aids. whats the point of wasting all this time and money into finding this, when it could be going to something good? seems stupid to me

yeah why waste our lives on the pursuit of knowledge and understanding when we can just make up stories about a magical guy who can walk on water and a guy made of clouds. infact, why is it important to know about anytihng? why don't we stop all the wasted money on pointless cures for terminal diseases and start addressing the real problem: the lack of bigger churches. it doesnt matter if everyone has cancer if we all get into heaven. infact why not abolish schools all togeather and replace them with more churches. all that knowledge of fact is just taking up room that could otherwise be filled with more important religious teachings. hell what am i wasting my time on this computer studying for my exams about things which occured thousands of years before god even created the universe? my time would be better spent learning about god and teaching it to others.

yes agentxrifle, i see your point. thank godi only wasted the first 20 years of my life on this fact bullshit. quick someone get me a bible!

yeah why waste our lives on the pursuit of knowledge and understanding when we can just make up stories about a magical guy who can walk on water and a guy made of clouds.

exactly what i stated in my last post, some moron who thinks god is a "cloud man"
stupid people, plus i didn't say build bigger churches or throw a bible at it, because churches aren't what we need more of, and if people actually read the bible then maybe, but the true fact is we need more careing people in this world that help actual problems, unlike people trying to disprove religion(s)
we need people to work together with their different beliefs and make man-kind better then what we are now

At 5/31/09 03:33 AM, AgentXRifle wrote: exactly what i stated in my last post, some moron who thinks god is a "cloud man"
stupid people, plus i didn't say build bigger churches or throw a bible at it, because churches aren't what we need more of, and if people actually read the bible then maybe, but the true fact is we need more careing people in this world that help actual problems, unlike people trying to disprove religion(s)
we need people to work together with their different beliefs and make man-kind better then what we are now

so you're basically saying that we should get rid of all the theological, unscientific aspects of all the religions in the world, and only then will we be able to improve mankind. that's called atheism my friend and im glad you're beginning to understand.

At 5/31/09 03:25 AM, ripoffhitman wrote: Luckily, I don't have an opinion, because I ceased to think about how the world starts or ends.

Deep down you have a opinion. May be about God, or evolution, aliens creating mankind or anything else, but you have something. If someone came and said "Draw how do you think the mankind was created quick" and you had no time for thinking, just to get a paper and draw what you have in your mind, you would draw something and you know it. It wouldn't be just a bank.

Thing is, it doesn't matter if knowing our origins will cure something or not. Cars don't cure anything, only polute, but I bet all of you would skip a good walk to get a ride on a sweet pimped car, anytime. Cigarettes and drinks the same, it takes alot of studies and stuff like that to produce those things and what good toes they make? Hell, even all the junk food that we eat, it makes no good, it doesn't cure anything, so why they waste time searching for new flavours to get us fatter and why do we eat?
Seriously, don't be so hipocrites.... You make use of the useless research every single day of your lifes, and yet when a study that prrofs the opposite of your believes or that you consider useless comes up, you point out "oh it's so useless, it won't cure cancer". That's fucking stupid. Knowlege always has a purpose, because it's damn knowlege. It's never useless

At 5/31/09 03:39 AM, Andy-Parker wrote:

At 5/31/09 03:33 AM, AgentXRifle wrote: exactly what i stated in my last post, some moron who thinks god is a "cloud man"
stupid people, plus i didn't say build bigger churches or throw a bible at it, because churches aren't what we need more of, and if people actually read the bible then maybe, but the true fact is we need more careing people in this world that help actual problems, unlike people trying to disprove religion(s)
we need people to work together with their different beliefs and make man-kind better then what we are now

so you're basically saying that we should get rid of all the theological, unscientific aspects of all the religions in the world, and only then will we be able to improve mankind. that's called atheism my friend and im glad you're beginning to understand.

no, im saying we dont need to argue over our differences (whether its racism or religion, or anything else)
we need to work together in harmony, without fighting
it seems like we just need more tolerance towards one another

At 5/31/09 03:42 AM, AgentXRifle wrote: no, im saying we dont need to argue over our differences (whether its racism or religion, or anything else)
we need to work together in harmony, without fighting
it seems like we just need more tolerance towards one another

this seems to be a problem with religious people, especially christians. us non-believers don't spend our days thinking about science, and how its great and improves our lives. its not some all-consuming element of our lives which prevents us from associating with certain groups of people. it's just a fact of life that is there, with no emotional connotation. saying mankind evolved is no different from saying if you drop something itll fall to the ground. we don't define ourselves as atheists like you define yourself as christians, or muslims or whatever because it simply does not matter to us. thats like asking someone what football team they support if they arent even a sports fan.

only some of us get a bit pissed off when there are large groups of people convinced of something that's clearly wrong and inflicting it on the world around them. religion causes war, it causes death and it causes a lot of other problems in society. and all this because they believe in things which have been proven wrong. a religion is just an isolated pocket of society that rewards ignorance.

if you want harmony then why don't you stop being so stubborn and holding onto your antiquated beliefs and start learning something true. i never saw a war waged because one group of scientists beleived in one scientific theory and one beleived in the other.