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At 5/20/09 04:39 PM, CacheHelper wrote: Why should it? Is it not possible that an all knowing, ominoptent being was smart enough to understand the improtance of evolution and wrote it into his design?

It's not merely "possible." It's a FACT that if there is a Creator, that He used microgenetic changes over long periods of time to create the human race. Evolution has proven that.

At 5/20/09 07:03 AM, flashwarrior wrote: If apes evolve into humans, that means in about a million years, our apes today will start becoming humans.

No. It's called adaptive succession my friend. HUMANS are only pert of the prime ape family. And we just evolved from that because something changed in then environment. It doesn't mean that the prime apes today will be humans in a billion years.

At 5/20/09 04:39 PM, CacheHelper wrote: Why should it? Is it not possible that an all knowing, ominoptent being was smart enough to understand the improtance of evolution and wrote it into his design?

There is nothing disproving it, but if you apply that principle to everything, anything would be possible, which is why most people would rather have concrete evidence supporting an idea before they believe in it.

At 5/20/09 04:50 PM, gamerpeepinpa wrote: There is nothing disproving it, but if you apply that principle to everything, anything would be possible, which is why most people would rather have concrete evidence supporting an idea before they believe in it.

In this scenario, wouldn't everything science finds be the concrete evidence that proves the existance of a God?

I'm not trying to start a big debate or tell anyone they're right or wrong... mearly, it's all about perception. If you preceive science as proof of a creator, then science is the evidence that God exists and no amount of new findings is ever going to disprove that.

But, if you preceive science as the proof that God doesn't exist, then you'll never be able to find proof that he does as ever new finding that science comes up with, is just further proof that God doesn't exist.

If you stand on either side of the field and attack the other side for being close minded... you're doing little more then making a fool of yourself.

At 5/20/09 01:02 PM, junkietomato wrote: Evolution is JUST a theory like gravity is JUST a theory.

The theory of gravity is flawed and will probably be re-written dozens of times before humans die out.

At 5/20/09 04:49 PM, AlyssaShafer wrote: It's not merely "possible." It's a FACT that if there is a Creator, that He used microgenetic changes over long periods of time to create the human race. Evolution has proven that.

Show me evidence God has taken part in Evolution. Actually show me evidence saying God has taken part at all.

Here's why you can't. Science only explains and studies things that are naturally occurring. God is supernatural, he can't be tested, observed or applied to the Scientific method.

That's fine with me, I believe a diety or some other divine being triggered evolution.

At 5/20/09 12:22 PM, junkietomato wrote:

At 5/20/09 09:20 AM, smokinjoeevil wrote: To be honest, a monkey looks more like a human than that piece of shit fossil they found. Why is that thing considered the missing link? The article even says "lemur-like" and "cat-sized". With evolution taking millions of years, shouldn't there be at least one half-man, half-ape fossil out there somewhere??

I heartily believe that evolution is the real deal... but c'mon... this monkey-cat thing is the best we've got? That just pisses me off.

We didn't just became human overnight. Look at the skull, it clearly resembles an ape skull. Do some research before you embarass yourself on the internet.

For God's sake... you are a moron. An absolute moron. Read my post again and you'll read that I pointed out that I believe the process took millions of years. My point (which you obviously missed though it was as plain as the stupidity on your face) was that, with millions upon millions of years involved WHY is there not a fossil to be found that is half-human and half whatever it is we evolved from? Or maybe not half... but you know what I mean... closer than all the crap we've found... but still animalistic enough that you know it's not neanderthal or just some early form of modern man. Old enough to put it's birth far before humans, but human enough to seal the deal. That is what I was pointing out, dumb ass. Now lick my hairy ball-sackings.

I believe in God, but I take evolution as fact.

At 5/20/09 05:06 PM, CacheHelper wrote: In this scenario, wouldn't everything science finds be the concrete evidence that proves the existance of a God?

I'm not trying to start a big debate or tell anyone they're right or wrong... mearly, it's all about perception. If you preceive science as proof of a creator, then science is the evidence that God exists and no amount of new findings is ever going to disprove that.

But then you end up back to that whole "anything is possible" idea. It doesn't even have to be a God in the first place. Who's to say it's not some giant omnipotent tomato controlling everyone's thoughts and actions? Who's to say the universe isn't just some controlled experiment in a lab? By that logic, anything that science does unveil would also be concrete evidence of the universe being controlled by a tomato, or it being an experiment or what have you. The only reason it's a God is because it just so happened that somebody wrote in the Bible that some supreme being decided to make people one day.

And I'm not completely writing off the idea of a God here. The fact is, we'll never know how we got here, no matter how many theories we come up with, but some people just prefer to take comfort in what we know and what we have proven, and that's fine, while others prefer to believe in a mystical supreme being, and that's fine as well. And that's also why I don't think anyone can ever be completely atheist. I agree with you that anyone who at least doesn't take the idea of a God into some consideration is close-minded.

At least evolutionists hae some evidence. Religion fags have a longest game of telephone ever. We all know what happens to stories in telephone : P

At 5/20/09 05:33 PM, smokinjoeevil wrote: Now lick my hairy ball-sackings.

Well firstly we are apes because we're a part of the same family. But that's irrelevant and it's nit picking.

Evolution is a gradual process (but the speed is somewhat inconsistent). It's a continuous process. So I don't really know why you'd be asking for something that's between apes (technically it's primitive primates but that's just semantics) and humans.

However I did find some information you can delve your curiosity into.

One.

Two

Three

And the race begins.

And here was me expecting a picture of your mum *sigh sadly*

why the fuck is everyone assuming that creationists are the only ones who don't believe in evolution, and that all creationists don't believe in evolution

At 5/20/09 04:49 PM, AlyssaShafer wrote:

At 5/20/09 04:39 PM, CacheHelper wrote: Why should it? Is it not possible that an all knowing, ominoptent being was smart enough to understand the improtance of evolution and wrote it into his design?

It's not merely "possible." It's a FACT that if there is a Creator, that He used microgenetic changes over long periods of time to create the human race. Evolution has proven that.

Well obviously you don't know what your talking about because evolution isn't a fact its a theory, and if you ask me a pretty bad one. There is no evidence that actualy supports evolution. All these scientists that say they found fossil's from millions and billions of years ago are lieing because they still don't have a good way to date them. A lot of fossils have been found that have dinosaur and human foot prints in the same rock layer. How can you explain that if dinosaurs died way before humans ever came?

I believe in the Bible and that God created the Earth and everything in it and that your evolution has nothing to do with it. You can go ahead and call me stupid for it but its alot mor reasonable than a big bang where nothing exploded into everything and then over billions of years complex humans came from single celled organisms by chance.

As far as this thing being evidence for evolution they have no proof. How do they know when its from? it could be some species of animal that went extinct only a couple hundred maybe thousand years ago and we never discovered it. Hell it could even still be alive today for all they know.

It seems a lot of you guys don't understand evolution.

Anyways, evolution IS still happening today. In Africa people with Sickle Cell Anemia are immune to malaria.More people in Africa will die of malaria leaving the Sickle Cell gene to be passed on more until eventually everyone could have it.

EVOLUTION my good chaps

At 5/20/09 11:13 AM, ChristianNGer wrote:

Thats because god hates evolution thus making athiests wrong and christans the smart guys!

And you're obviously not an alt.
Anyways, bible nuts and still going to go against evolution, no matter how much proof we gather.

Scientist: We've gathered further proof of evolution!
Christian: No u

At 5/20/09 05:56 PM, Brick-top wrote:

I would also like to add these:

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At 5/20/09 05:13 PM, AlyssaShafer wrote:

At 5/20/09 01:02 PM, junkietomato wrote: Evolution is JUST a theory like gravity is JUST a theory.

The theory of gravity is flawed and will probably be re-written dozens of times before humans die out.

You sort of missed the larger point, there.
The comparison between evolution and gravity is apt because both are examples of fact AND theory.
Plus, it doesn't matter that gravity will be written, because it probably won't be overhauled, just improved. The core conceits of Netwonian gravity and general relativity are the same - that gravitation is due to forces acting between massive objects.
In the same way, refinements to the theory of evolution will preserve its basic ideas - natural selection and mutation. Those ideas aren't going anywhere.

Gravity is a FACT because we can observe it happening. When you jump, you fall again.
The THEORY of gravity is what we use to try and explain the mechanism and make predictions. Currently, the theory that explains the fact of gravity is General Relativity.

Evolution is a FACT because we can observe changes in populations over periods of time. Speciation has been observed in the laboratory.
The THEORY of evolution is what we use to explain the mechanism of evolution. At it's most basic level, it's about mutation and natural selection, but really there's a lot more genetics involved in the modern theory.

At 5/20/09 06:07 PM, Kiryuku wrote:
Well obviously you don't know what your talking about because evolution isn't a fact its a theory, and if you ask me a pretty bad one. There is no evidence that actualy supports evolution. All these scientists that say they found fossil's from millions and billions of years ago are lieing because they still don't have a good way to date them. A lot of fossils have been found that have dinosaur and human foot prints in the same rock layer. How can you explain that if dinosaurs died way before humans ever came?

As explained above, evolution is a fact and a theory. Nobody is asking you because you haven't studied evolutionary biology at a high level. There is mountains of evidence for evolution, and fossils of human and dinosaur footprints in the same place have proven to be hoaxes.
Fossil dating is achieved through radiometric methods, geology, and probably other methods which I can't recall. These entirely separate methods all agree, they don't make conclusions based just on one.

At 5/20/09 06:07 PM, Kiryuku wrote:

Well obviously you don't know what your talking about because evolution isn't a fact its a theory, and if you ask me a pretty bad one. There is no evidence that actualy supports evolution.

I believe in the Bible and that God created the Earth and everything in it and that your evolution has nothing to do with it. You can go ahead and call me stupid for it but its alot mor reasonable than a big bang where nothing exploded into everything and then over billions of years complex humans came from single celled organisms by chance.

Give me evidence that God exists then. First you say that you don't believe in Evolution because there isn't proof and then you say you believe in God.

At 5/20/09 04:39 PM, CacheHelper wrote: Why should it? Is it not possible that an all knowing, ominoptent being was smart enough to understand the improtance of evolution and wrote it into his design?

What I think is a difficult thing that needs to be reconciled with evolution is the idea that God is benevolent. Why would God create such a cruel situation as nature, where the survival of the fittest is paramount? If God is omnipotent, then surely he would have the power to create an entirely different situation that was not so.. hostile.

It's a shame. THE most important news for the last few decades will be tomorrow's chip paper.

This is the sort of news that will change how we look at evolution and the great question of where we came from. Like one person said it'll be in textbooks for the next 100 years.

Then we get news sites, papers what have you trying to make it out to be a "media hype". The same ones that hyped swine flu.

I almost guarantee you that the tabloids will go back to the same news I've heard for the last 10 years. There could be news of NASA finding aliens for certain, the key to immortal life or how to cure cancer and the media will say it's nothing and go back to depressing and just boring news.

It's funny how the christians say god made evolution. Yet they still also follow the bible, which the main story of the bible is that god made earth in 7 days.

I'm sorry guys, but you can't have it both ways. I know it would be nice, but you can't.

What does work, is people with belief and faith in god, but no religion.

Once you put religion, rules and some old stories, everything you know falls apart in the real world.

I'm sorry eggy, but last time I checked, a person could think whatever they fucking wanted to. You can't have it both ways? Yes I can, I can have it all fucking ways, it's my belief, it's in my fucking head.

Um im kinda scared of what the church will do. OMG Angles and Demons!
No really thats pretty coo, what they found.

And the next evolution of humans will be in the year 3006.

in yo face christianity!

At 5/20/09 12:24 PM, BunnyReaper77 wrote: this is bull...that thing looks like a dead rat...also can I ask WHY ARN'T WE STILL EVOLING!? I mean we are not perfect why can't we fly, why can't we breath underwater?

Ok so imagine there's a guy somewhere in the world that was born with fins. Would chicks be all over him? Would scientists take his sperm to a lab so they could make more fin people? Would other people stop mating just for this guy? No. There are tons of people with special abilities around, and they aren't treated anything special.

But if there is a flood, maybe that guy will survive, and everyone without fins will be flushed out of the genepool. That's evolution.

Unfortunately full-blown bottleneck scenarios are extremely rare, and our technology and advanced healthcare will not allow them to happen. Humans are evolving at a slower and slower rate. Unless we can find a way to alter our own DNA, we will always be exactly the same.

That thing looks like a dog skeleton to me, to be honest. I wouldn't start making a big deal out of this, keep in mind that there have been many "missing link found" hoaxes throughout history.

At 5/20/09 12:58 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 5/20/09 12:52 PM, TSstudios wrote:

At 5/20/09 07:03 AM, flashwarrior wrote: If apes evolve into humans, that means in about a million years, our apes today will start becoming humans.

then what will become of humans?

I made some wild guess which includes lizards, mutants, and so on...

I hope we either evolve to adapt to live in carbon dioxide (and still breath oxygen) and breath under water.

At 5/20/09 01:02 PM, junkietomato wrote: Evolution is JUST a theory like gravity is JUST a theory.

It's not a theory when you discover a 40-foot tall big dinosaur who ate every goddamn animal it could chase down and kill (Tyrannosaurus Rex). Also without gravity your ass would probably be in space, so shut the fuck up about gravity before we vote to have you launched into space.