Hentai

[Cyan60]

I think its time someone said something...
You shouldnt have to be over/at 18 in order to buy hentai,
know why?
Because it's just a series of lines that seem to form an image that resembles to eye of the viewer whatever is showed.
So by moral technicallity it is perfectly all right for any age to buy, oh and also the same applies for hentai movies.... yes, there are hentai movies.

[Patton3]

It's still porn, even if it's animated. And tell me, how is this political?

[Jocular]

Whether children should be able to watch porn (hentai or otherwise) is debatable, but that's probably one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. Regular porn is just a series of pixels on your screen that, when together, make a picture; why can't children watch that? Why hentai specifically?

If you're trying to argue that they should be able to look at it because it's not "real", then would you be okay if kids were watching a video of somebody getting their head chopped off, as long as it wasn't real? If you're okay with that, then sure, your point makes sense, but your argument entails so much more than just porn.

[Jon-86]

lol a think someone has been told their naughty or deviant or "Cyan I dont care what you do when your 18 and out of the house. But when your under my roof you will follow my rules! I dont want to catch you watching this filth again got iy!"

"sorry m0m :'[ "

:P

[SolInvictus]

At 5/19/09 04:35 PM, Cyan60 wrote: Because it's just a series of lines that seem to form an image that resembles to eye of the viewer whatever is showed.

and porn is just the interpretation of light bouncing off bodies by a camera.

[SolInvictus]

aw damnit; someone all ready made my argument.

[Cyan60]

The fact remains,
that the characters are completely fictional, and non-existent.
So thus the portrayed sexual scene in hentai is realisticly not enough to be considered an actual sense of porn because no humans were in that at all, just drawn, and if we are talking of movie, then groans I suppose....

[Jon-86]

At 5/19/09 05:00 PM, Cyan60 wrote: The fact remains,
that the characters are completely fictional, and non-existent.

Ahhh so that means if I go to the doctors an blonde nurse will give me a blow-job during my examination? Or if I stay behind after class I have a change with my teacher (I dont go to highschool anymore) or their are thousands upon thousands of MILFS out their juust gagging for some innocent service person to come calling?

Damn I want to live in this fictional world of yours :P

[Cyan60]

At 5/19/09 04:43 PM, Jocular wrote: If you're trying to argue that they should be able to look at it because it's not "real", then would you be okay if kids were watching a video of somebody getting their head chopped off, as long as it wasn't real? If you're okay with that, then sure, your point makes sense, but your argument entails so much more than just porn.

yes, yes they should be able to, but their is a point where if a kid is underaged goes and trys to buy hentai they should be able to.

[Jocular]

At 5/19/09 05:08 PM, Jon-86 wrote: Ahhh so that means if I go to the doctors an blonde nurse will give me a blow-job during my examination? Or if I stay behind after class I have a change with my teacher (I dont go to highschool anymore) or their are thousands upon thousands of MILFS out their juust gagging for some innocent service person to come calling?

Damn I want to live in this fictional world of yours :P

Good point, I didn't think of that. People in porn are called actors for a reason. All of the characters are fictional, the circumstances are fictional; the real difference between hentai and "real" porn is that hentai is drawn (obviously) and so allows for an even higher level of perversion, which most parents would not feel comfortable allowing their children to see. There's still a guy fucking a girl (or sometimes, a penis tentacle monster), and children are likely not going to make a very strong distinction between the two.

[Cyan60]

At 5/19/09 05:08 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 5/19/09 05:00 PM, Cyan60 wrote: The fact remains,
that the characters are completely fictional, and non-existent.

Ahhh so that means if I go to the doctors an blonde nurse will give me a blow-job during my examination? Or if I stay behind after class I have a change with my teacher (I dont go to highschool anymore) or their are thousands upon thousands of MILFS out their juust gagging for some innocent service person to come calling?

Damn I want to live in this fictional world of yours :P

The Fact remains that what is in anime isnt real enough to actually be considered a connection to real life, say you dont know sex yet, and unless you're sex guage is activated, all your gonna think is "what is this?, and why is their a movie centered around this"? thats it.... unless you wanna be a pussy about it, really.

Oh and yes my fictional world is mind blowing, if I do say so myself.

[Jon-86]

At 5/19/09 05:09 PM, Cyan60 wrote: yes, yes they should be able to, but their is a point where if a kid is underaged goes and trys to buy hentai they should be able to.

Hello no. Kids these days, the ones who live sheltered lives are far too desensatised to that kind of thing. And that just breeds ignorance and lack of remorse or knowing right from wrong. A generation like that would be far to susceptible stuff that should never be endorsed.

Take "bum fights" for example. Thats just inhumane! Not entertainment.

[Jon-86]

At 5/19/09 05:14 PM, Cyan60 wrote: The Fact remains that what is in anime isnt real enough to actually be considered a connection to real life, say you dont know sex yet, and unless you're sex guage is activated, all your gonna think is "what is this?, and why is their a movie centered around this"? thats it.... unless you wanna be a pussy about it, really.

Fine then in this world where your educating kids about sex who are no where near mature enough to be exposed to it. What will you do when thoes who have their "sex guage" activated. Take advantage of kids and abuse them. "c'mon Cyan you saw <some_hentai_character> perform some sex act in <some_hentai_file> that means its ok for you to do it :)

Yeah the idea of a world full of paedophiles and abused children is what your trying to o agree to here. Itsget us t not gonna happen!

[Cyan60]

At 5/19/09 05:12 PM, Jocular wrote:

Good point, I didn't think of that. People in porn are called actors for a reason. All of the characters are fictional, the circumstances are fictional; the real difference between hentai and "real" porn is that hentai is drawn (obviously) and so allows for an even higher level of perversion, which most parents would not feel comfortable allowing their children to see. There's still a guy fucking a girl (or sometimes, a penis tentacle monster), and children are likely not going to make a very strong distinction between the two.

But in hentai the higher level of perversion is only possible because it's fiction.
Really, hentai/anime what you see all depends on you because it's drawing,
you know what drawing is? It's art.
It is possible for someone to like hentai but not be sexually atracted to it, believe or not.
Hentai/anime limits the perception greatly is one of my overall points I guess.
Hentai is drawn. sex (or seeing it) in real life is a hellova lot more influential.

[Jon-86]

At 5/19/09 05:21 PM, Jon-86 wrote: Yeah the idea of a world full of paedophiles and abused children is what your trying to get us to agree to here. Its not gonna happen!

Stupid keyboard. Fixed

[adrshepard]

I would sooner let my kid look at real porn than hentai.

[Cyan60]

At 5/19/09 05:21 PM, Jon-86 wrote:
Fine then in this world where your educating kids about sex who are no where near mature enough to be exposed to it. What will you do when thoes who have their "sex guage" activated. Take advantage of kids and abuse them. "c'mon Cyan you saw <some_hentai_character> perform some sex act in <some_hentai_file> that means its ok for you to do it :)

Yeah the idea of a world full of paedophiles and abused children is what your trying to o agree to here. Itsget us t not gonna happen!

that not at all what i'm saying,
If a 16 year old wants some hentai let the kid have some (for the price)
"OOOHHHHHH sex is a taboo, and they must know how to perform sex even though the least intelligent creatures can practically multiply." it's really sensible to teach them a method of preventing the idea of them spawning(safe sex), but I mean even with kids if they want to go out and buy it and they knowwhat they are buying then let them have 'tai despite their age.

[Jon-86]

At 5/19/09 05:33 PM, Cyan60 wrote: that not at all what i'm saying,
If a 16 year old wants some hentai let the kid have some (for the price)
"OOOHHHHHH sex is a taboo, and they must know how to perform sex even though the least intelligent creatures can practically multiply." it's really sensible to teach them a method of preventing the idea of them spawning(safe sex), but I mean even with kids if they want to go out and buy it and they knowwhat they are buying then let them have 'tai despite their age.

You never said 16 before this point! Although with the extreme stuff Hentai is known for yeah you should need to wait. Just get over it, age limits are their for your own good. It has nothing to do with what's taboo or not!

And my point was not about "teaching sex" it was about persuasion. Kids are more likley to accept what their doing isnt wrong if they see it in something they watch every day.

[Patton3]

At 5/19/09 05:14 PM, Cyan60 wrote:

At 5/19/09 05:08 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 5/19/09 05:00 PM, Cyan60 wrote:

The Fact remains that what is in anime isnt real enough to actually be considered a connection to real life, say you dont know sex yet, and unless you're sex guage is activated, all your gonna think is "what is this?, and why is their a movie centered around this"? thats it.... unless you wanna be a pussy about it, really.

Drawing or not, 2 people gettin it on like a couple o' pigs isn't real enough to say, "You know, this isn't exactly appropriate for a little kid."? I can see lowering the age since most kids are sexually mature by 15 or so, but not letting any kid watch porn, animated or not.

[Cyan60]

At 5/19/09 05:39 PM, Jon-86 wrote: You never said 16 before this point! Although with the extreme stuff Hentai is known for yeah you should need to wait. Just get over it, age limits are their for your own good. It has nothing to do with what's taboo or not!

And my point was not about "teaching sex" it was about persuasion. Kids are more likley to accept what their doing isnt wrong if they see it in something they watch every day.

The age doesnt matter, (much)
It's all about offering it to anyone who can prove they know why they want it.
oh and I guess the least they could do is to keep it in a place no one can see.
The cashier/clerk Is only a minor peice of the puzzle if the purchaser proves they know why they want it to the cashier of an official store, yeah some kids are gonna bypass this and are gonna be scared for life, but that is what you get for messing with such a delicate and honorable law.

[Cyan60]

At 5/19/09 05:45 PM, Patton3 wrote:

Drawing or not, 2 people gettin it on like a couple o' pigs isn't real enough to say, "You know, this isn't exactly appropriate for a little kid."? I can see lowering the age since most kids are sexually mature by 15 or so, but not letting any kid watch porn, animated or not.

But the moral is the equivilant of a horrible atempt at hentai that purely looks like a bunch of scribbles,
you dont know what it is because it's just scribles(inside your mind your aching to know what it is but you arent as curiouse as you were when you where younger), the same thing applies with little kids and actuall well drawn hentai, it means nothing to them, unless they give it meaning or you tell them. Kids who know almost nothing (usually 5-10) are just slightly more than blank slates to sex.(paraphillias, fetishes maybe, but that all comes from childhood experiences note: Childhood)

kids get ahead of themselves by assuming through instinct that they enjoy what they are seeing, when in that situation it could not be true'r, There is no sexuall scaring no matter what anyone says, because thats just some dramatic bullshit, you want real drama, go play a video game or take a walk.

The world is never as bleak or as sad as you see it.

[RydiaLockheart]

If you want to make this political, I have seen several cases in many countries where a judge has ruled that hentai is just as bad as actual child pornography. Here's a summary of one.

Of course, you can make the argument that yes, the guy is a bona fide pedophile and seeking those images out was deviant behavior on his part. But I have heard debates among anime fans as to whether lolicon and shotacon are child pornography. Some people actually make claims like "oh, she's a 3000-year old spirit stuck in a six-year-old's body" and apparently that makes it okay.

I'm of the opinion it's not. And if this type of hentai is in the hands of a previous offender, then I have to agree that it's probably being used to satisfy pedophilic urges.

[Cyan60]

At 5/19/09 06:13 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: If you want to make this political, I have seen several cases in many countries where a judge has ruled that hentai is just as bad as actual child pornography. Here's a summary of one.

Of course, you can make the argument that yes, the guy is a bona fide pedophile and seeking those images out was deviant behavior on his part. But I have heard debates among anime fans as to whether lolicon and shotacon are child pornography. Some people actually make claims like "oh, she's a 3000-year old spirit stuck in a six-year-old's body" and apparently that makes it okay.

I'm of the opinion it's not. And if this type of hentai is in the hands of a previous offender, then I have to agree that it's probably being used to satisfy pedophilic urges.

ah yes, one of the best points I have heard on newgrounds.
It's really true, though this might be new age there is almost as much barbaric blood flowing through the veins today as there was around the military camp of mid-ages.
Although the one thing I believe is, that there should be less extremists that support law to height and oppose everything steoro-type like video game violence, or anything else.
You sound much more sensible though.

[Cyan60]

At 5/19/09 06:21 PM, Cyan60 wrote:

ah yes, one of the best points I have heard on newgrounds.
It's really true, though this might be new age there is almost as much barbaric blood flowing through the veins today as there was around the military camp of mid-ages.
Although the one thing I believe is, that there should be less extremists that support law to height and oppose everything steoro-type like video game violence, or anything else.
You sound much more sensible though.

Im sorry I should have specified, I meant the mid-ages barbarianism to represent the lack of wisdom.
You can teach wisdom, it just doesnt travel down a straight flow of logic for everyone, but its that very thing that is the better of history, history will teach you nothing of moralls if you are atleast semi-skilled at the ideas behind such that influence the world taught wisdom.

[SolInvictus]

lets try and explain this in a way you might understand without resorting to some argument about how real something is:
the issue is not the medium, it is the content. porn has sexually explicit content and so does hentai. why do you think there are age appropriate jokes?

[Musician]

Seriously, stop beating it to cartoon porn kid. Show a little more respect for yourself.

[SadisticMonkey]

There's enough free stuff readily avaliable on the internet anyway.

[adrshepard]

At 5/19/09 06:45 PM, Musician wrote: Seriously, stop beating it to cartoon porn kid. Show a little more respect for yourself.

Or at least come out at the start and say you're an abnormal sex fiend. Then none of us get hung up over reconciling what you say and the assumption that you're normal.

[fatape]

At 5/19/09 06:13 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: I'm of the opinion it's not. And if this type of hentai is in the hands of a previous offender, then I have to agree that it's probably being used to satisfy pedophilic urges.

should being a pedophile in and of itself be illegal?

like if someday they invent a device where they can see your thoughts, should they arrest everyone who find kids sexualy attractive?

whacking it off to ANYTHING shouldnt be illegal, I don't care what. if there was the corrlation between watching kiddie porn and actualy molesting kids was as big as people say it is then pretty much every kid should have been buttfucked by now.

[Christopherr]

At 5/19/09 07:56 PM, fatape wrote:

At 5/19/09 06:13 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: I'm of the opinion it's not. And if this type of hentai is in the hands of a previous offender, then I have to agree that it's probably being used to satisfy pedophilic urges.

should being a pedophile in and of itself be illegal?

No, it isn't. However, if a pedophile watches pedophilic hentai, his urges are being nurtured, which would most likely lead to a higher chance of him committing the actual crime.