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At 5/15/09 11:48 AM, TheMaster wrote: Physics is the most fundamental science. All other sciences relate to application of physics to specific situations.

Which is an application of math. Thing is, without extending fields of science physics will leave you with few choices but thought experiments, since we're past the renaissance already and there's not really a lot of new physics experiments that can be pulled through without a lot of resources, even if you have the background knowledge.

Chemistry has just kicked off and there's infinite compounds yet to create. I'm not going to say anything for sure about biology, I'm not sure about what kind of resources you'd need to mutate DNA or alter biological organs, but it's probably no LHC. Science is always at its best when the experiments are unbiased, measurable and repeatable, which I'd say many of the chemistry experiments are.

I tend to think physics are the more important, but I'm not really a science guy.

Neither - Maths ftw.

At 5/15/09 12:59 PM, Siblau wrote: Neither - Maths ftw.

Come on now, what kind of research can you do with maths alone? It's not even a science, it's patterns and logic.

At 5/15/09 11:31 AM, turboNEGROID wrote:

At 5/15/09 10:16 AM, C-Hawk wrote: One of the most important people in my life once said that "Chemistry is nothing but Physics of valence electrons." I agree.

Valence electrons are important in determining how atoms react with each other. Valence electrons alone do not determine the properties of an element.

Yes, there are a few other subjects within chemistry. (Keyword there being "few".) What he meant was that chemistry is a very small sub-section within physics. I can use physics to explain everything in chemistry, but not the other way around.

At 5/15/09 04:44 AM, Dr34m3r wrote: Following a rather heated, and off-topic debate in English yesterday, my friends and I were left wondering whether chemistry and physics could indeed be possible without the other.

Note, this is purely from a scientific standpoint, not religious bullshit.

It was raised that, without an atom (chemistry) exploding (physics; due it it being an energy) nothing would have been created. Through this train of thought, it can be concluded that Physics would not be possible with Chemistry.

However, it was also raised that without the energy (physics) causing the atom to be created, there would be no chemistry. It was also brought up that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only destroyed as per a Physics theory.

What side would you believe, and defend, and why?

Intellectualism GOGOGOGOGO

chemistry and physics branch from science, so does math and biology.
chemistry, physics, biology and mathematics (applied and pure) all form what my teachers like to call, the laws of the universe.

In a nutshell, physics alone is not possible neither is chemistry. I'd side with the neutral side.

Why hasn't anyone posted this yet?

At 5/15/09 02:24 PM, RageVI wrote: Why hasn't anyone posted this yet?

Is that from xkcd? It looks like the same style of drawing...

At 5/15/09 02:24 PM, RageVI wrote: Why hasn't anyone posted this yet?

I guess that's one way to put.

Change of subject;

And here I thought I'd never see the day where Newgrounds could contribute some intellectual discussion with only one or two sarcastic comments.

its funny you mentioned this cause without matter and physics CHEMISTRY WOULDNT EXIST
it is 8th grade dude

Chemistry is applied physics. Physics is applied calculus.

If all matter was created from energy (Big Bang) then Physics is the superior science.

Both are useful depending on your profession, I prefer physics though.

can't have one w/o the other

/thread

Ask ourself this...What would Jesus do?

both are just fields of science

the fact that the study of natural things exists or not doesn't effect the actual atom

if physics were never studied gravity would still work

At 5/15/09 07:05 AM, Dogbert581 wrote: Biology is applied Chemistry
Chemistry is applied Physics
Physics is applied Engineering
Engineering is applied Maths
Maths Wins

Damn, beat me to it.
Although I think you added the Engineering bit.

I mathamaticlly enhance chemistry and apply physics to engineer a revolutionary engine,
the Inverted ion stabbalizer(c) this engine uses the largest explosive force known to man(physics)
created by the colision of a uranium239 atom(chemistry) and an inverted ion of hydrogen (A.K.A)
a stranglete(quantum mechanics), two double shafted I.I.S engines mounted to a 50 meter long, 40 meter wide, 6 story high, 450 metric tonne space craft will fly 120 people at 3.35666' times the speed of light away from mother earth.

I win, quantum mechanics is on top.

aet that B----.

At 5/15/09 09:18 AM, turboNEGROID wrote:
Maths is virtually useless without application unless you're an accountant or of some other shitty job like it.

Oh, this comment earns you a Clifford algebra up the poophole. >:( (how very mature ^-^ )

At 5/15/09 09:10 AM, TheLameSauce wrote: there's a field of chemistry called physical chemistry that begins with pv=nrt and ends in all sorts of quantum mechanical equations. you can not have a complete to date understanding of chemistry without physics.

pV=nRT is, in my opinion, purely physics. It used to be purely experimental, but with the results of statistical mechanics, it can even be considered purely mathematics. The Van der Waals approximations to real gasses might be considered a tad more physics and even a hint of chemistry.

I've taken the course physical properties of chemical bindings and that was obviously a physics course in my opinion.

But physics is 99% independent of chemistry (of course, if we don't argue things like measurement equipment and the likes). I like to think that chemical theory relies for greater fraction on physics (but then again, not all physics, like the XKCD cartoon might suggest)

At 5/15/09 12:08 PM, andhination wrote:
I'm not biology, I'm maths. Just informing you of whats going on other there. Don't kill me physics, I never dun nuthin.

Oh, but you're probably just an applied maths guy anyway. :-| (no homo ^-^)

At 5/15/09 07:05 AM, Dogbert581 wrote: Biology is applied Chemistry
Chemistry is applied Physics
Physics is applied Engineering
Engineering is applied Maths
Maths Wins

That's from XKCD, except for the engineering part, which is untrue.

http://xkcd.com/435/

I like how this thread is just people from 3 different groups, Chemistry, Biology and Physics; each person trying to defend their science.

Science gang wars are awesome.

At 5/16/09 09:06 AM, Tramps wrote: I like how this thread is just people from 3 different groups, Chemistry, Biology and Physics; each person trying to defend their science.

Except, it didn't really happen. The biggest uproar came from the math guys.