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I have found a quandry that defies logic of language.

Is it just me, or does the word beer (singular) imply more than the word beers (plural), in fact I find that beer can be singular or plural, whereas beers usually means a couple.

Does anyone else find this weird? Know of any similar such devices?

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Yeah, the word "beers" just sounds wrong.
Same with "sheep."


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At 5/13/09 03:14 PM, TheSilverGuitar wrote: Yeah, the word "beers" just sounds wrong.

"Let me grab a couple of beers out of the fridge"
"Oh, I've had like 6 beers... Let's go drive a care"

sounds fine to me.

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That actually makes sense. For instance, stating "Yeah i'm gonna go get some beer.", it could mean one beer, or a case. Whereas "Getting a few beers", implies about 2-4 beers.

I've noticed the same thing with "Burgers". A friend said he was going to "Get a burger from Wendy's", and he came back with twelve.

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A lot of beer.
A lot of beers.

Yes, you seem to be correct.

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At 5/13/09 03:13 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: Does anyone else find this weird? Know of any similar such devices?

Hmmm.

Yea, that's pretty weird. But so are a lot of things in the English language. Like, you park in a driveway and you drive in a parkway. I don't know, the guy who made the language must be stupid or something.

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I think the correct plural form is beer

A lot of coke
A lot of cokes = doesnt make sense

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I think it comes down to how you say it exactly, now that you do mention it though (- isn't that funny when someone mentions something?) Beers does sound weird a bit :/
Though its more natural to here someone say 'Barry! Did you get the beers?' than 'Barry? Did you get the beer?'
That just sounds odd.

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I think they say "beers" because it's easier to say than "bottles of beer", and people are naturally lazy. That said, "beers" doesn't sound right because it's almost like a double plural. It's like if people asked for "waters" or "juices".

Actually, asking for juices sounds kind of interesting. CAN I HAS YOUR JUICES

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At 5/13/09 03:19 PM, yurgenburgen wrote: CAN I HAS YOUR JUICES

ONLY IF YOU HAVE MAH CRACKER

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At 5/13/09 03:16 PM, Glowstick-warroir wrote: "Let me grab a couple of beers out of the fridge"
"Oh, I've had like 6 beers... Let's go drive a care"

sounds fine to me.

Yeah, but you could also say "Going to the store to get some beer" or "We grabbed some beer on the way home." In both those cases it would be assumed "beer" still implies more than one.


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At 5/13/09 03:34 PM, GreenLanturn wrote:
At 5/13/09 03:16 PM, Glowstick-warroir wrote: "Let me grab a couple of beers out of the fridge"
"Oh, I've had like 6 beers... Let's go drive a care"

sounds fine to me.
Yeah, but you could also say "Going to the store to get some beer" or "We grabbed some beer on the way home." In both those cases it would be assumed "beer" still implies more than one.

The diffrence is when you use a number. you don't drink 5 beer. you dirnk 5 beers. it's because beer means both a bottle of beer, and the liquid it's self.

we do it with like all beverages (though, like you don't call your cow beef, and beef cow. "I'm going to eat some cow tonight" dosn't seem right)

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At 5/13/09 03:40 PM, Glowstick-warroir wrote: (though, like you don't call your cow beef, and beef cow. "I'm going to eat some cow tonight" dosn't seem right)

Yeah, that doesn't seem right at all. :P

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At 5/13/09 03:40 PM, Glowstick-warroir wrote: The diffrence is when you use a number. you don't drink 5 beer. you dirnk 5 beers. it's because beer means both a bottle of beer, and the liquid it's self.

we do it with like all beverages (though, like you don't call your cow beef, and beef cow. "I'm going to eat some cow tonight" dosn't seem right)

Of course when a number is thrown in you would use "beers" because you are saying the specific quantity and would have to say beers to be grammatically correct.

But when referencing the product or liquid it is funny how either could be used.


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Only if It's placed in the correct context.


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Beer can refer to the liquid and also the bottle containing the liquid.

So when you say 'A lot of beer' you mean a large amount of the liquid.

When you say 'Grab a few beers' you mean the bottle/cans.

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I asked myself this question and had the assistance of several fellow nerds to help me out (hardcore nerds too, this kid's pleat chain-mail in his spare time).

Beers is CORRECT. But, only if you're referring to the individual containers. A beer is a can, bottle, glass, or what-have-you filled with beer. It's a (SERVING) of beer. A helping, if you will. But if you say "I want beer," you're not specifying a single serving. You're referring to all beer, an unspecified, vast amount of this one specific substance; beer. To say "man I had so much beer last night" is to say that you tapped the near-infinite resource that is beer, and you did so with an unquenchable vengeance. But to say "Man I had so many beers last night" is equally correct, you're just specifying that your consumption was meted into appropriate servings, just that you had a lot of those appropriate servings.

Personally, I don't like to refer to them as 'beers'. I think the problem is that people automatically associate homophones with each other grammatically. "Deer" is both plural and singular, so it stands to reason for most that "Beer" should behave similarly. Except, deer don't come on tap, and there're specific parts of deer that, when separated, can't be identified as just 'deer' anymore.

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I bump this for the mere hope that some other fellows will be edified by Evark's genius.


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Yeah, I know. And although it is not technically plural, it can still be considered plural, because a guy can look at a fucking huge keg of beer and say, "Hey dude, look at all that beer!"

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look at all the beers

doesnt sound quite right
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Deer.

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