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I use a Line 6 GX pod usb interface to record my guitar playing, but there is like a half a second to a second delay on it so i can't record with the monitor on.. in ANY program i try..

anyone else have these problems? makes mixing a pain in the ass cause i have to drag the recording back a tiny bit everytime i record so it matches with other recordings cause i layer a SHITLOAD when i record


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What latency is your DAW set to, and what sample rate?


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At 5/11/09 10:00 PM, nathanallenpinard wrote: What latency is your DAW set to, and what sample rate?

haha sorry noob time, whats DAW? and do you mean the sample rate in the recording software or like, on the driver for the line 6 equipment?


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At 5/11/09 10:20 PM, JKG1069 wrote:
At 5/11/09 10:00 PM, nathanallenpinard wrote: What latency is your DAW set to, and what sample rate?
haha sorry noob time, whats DAW? and do you mean the sample rate in the recording software or like, on the driver for the line 6 equipment?

DAW = recording software

And actually I"m asking both. They need to sync up or you will get considerable delay.

For instance if you have your DAW at 96khz and your USB at 44.1 it can cause a huge delay.

Your latency is usually important too. I don't recommend more than 1024 (512 is average)


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ok the line 6 info is buffers at 512 and 16 bit, doesnt say bit rate..

and i just got it to match my recording software, acoustica mixcraft, with 96k bit rate, 12 buffers with a latency of 512.. and theres still a second delay


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ive tried every possible combination that can get me latency of 512 and 16k.. sooo yeah im stumped, all of them have a one second long delay


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At 5/11/09 11:03 PM, JKG1069 wrote: ive tried every possible combination that can get me latency of 512 and 16k.. sooo yeah im stumped, all of them have a one second long delay

Set the recording software to 16-bit 44.1khz? Because that USB interface probably is 44.1


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It could also be that you have a shitty asio driver. Try downloading Asio4all if you don't already have it.


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At 5/12/09 02:09 AM, nathanallenpinard wrote:
At 5/11/09 11:03 PM, JKG1069 wrote: ive tried every possible combination that can get me latency of 512 and 16k.. sooo yeah im stumped, all of them have a one second long delay
Set the recording software to 16-bit 44.1khz? Because that USB interface probably is 44.1

well when i do 44.1 it doesnt make the latency add up to 512


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how many buffers and what buffer size should i use?


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Posted at: 5/13/09 02:14 AM

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hmm i think what ill do is go to guitar center and talk to the guy i bought it from..


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I get this same problem. It's the soundcard not doing its job because it sucks. What I do is record the guitars, then delay the drums by a split second to bring them back on time with the guitar tracks.

This is one of the reasons why I've not recorded alot of songs over the last year, because my computer is shit.

Get yourself a good computer with a kick arse soundcard, then set everything to run on max.


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alright... any suggestions for kickass sound cards? and how much do you think that will run me?


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512 samples is too high. My shitty m-audio box is set on 192 or something like that. Your line six should be able to go lower.


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At 5/13/09 04:59 AM, loansindi wrote: 512 samples is too high. My shitty m-audio box is set on 192 or something like that. Your line six should be able to go lower.

ill definitely talk to the guy at guitar center next chance i get, but ive tried every possible latency and if i go too low it gets screwed up.. and ive tried 44.1 khz, 48 khz, 96 khz, and 192 khz, with every buffer size and every latency. STILL has a one second long delay


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My question is: Are you using Windows Vista? Vista has been a huge problem for me when if comes to recording. I've always got a long delay when recording anything (guitar, mic, drums, etc.) and I have yet to find a solution. I switched back to my old computer with XP and I've never had any problems like that. I don't know if this helps at all though.


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At 5/13/09 04:47 PM, Nessbeatsfox wrote: My question is: Are you using Windows Vista? Vista has been a huge problem for me when if comes to recording. I've always got a long delay when recording anything (guitar, mic, drums, etc.) and I have yet to find a solution. I switched back to my old computer with XP and I've never had any problems like that. I don't know if this helps at all though.

actually i am.. ive never tried recording on anything but windows vista... well a couple years ago i recorded on my friends macbook pro in garageband, and i got NOOO delay.. but it wasnt with my usb plugin.. so yeah, vista may be the problem then


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okay everyone, i finally went to guitar center, talked to the guy that sold me my line 6 pod gx usb recording hardware, and he said that there isnt really anything i can do.

does anyone have ANY ideas? ive tried pretty much every bit rate, bit depth, buffer size, and latency. i dont need a new sound card, cause the guy said each hardware i own and try to record with acts as its own sound card. it also has a delay with my usb studio quality recording microphone. (its a nice mic, i love it)

is it windows vista thats doing it? like is there any way to fix it short of getting a computer with windows xp, or just a mac?..

one of these days ill bring it over to my buddys house who owns a macbook pro and ill try it out on it, and ill let u guys know if it works or not.


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wow you guys, i just looked at my line 6 thing and it said theres shit built in so theres NO latency OR delay..

Heres the info.

thats bullshit.. what do you guys think, should i look for a number to call or like customer service or something? or should i go back to guitar center and try to find someone who KNOWS what they are talking about


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Are you still recording in vista? I doubt the drivers have been well written. Install XP, for some reason companies are refusing to write vista drivers, even though it's been out for how many years?

The hardware will have minimal latency if the software can keep up. Try it on an XP box and see what happens.


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At 5/12/09 02:18 AM, speedmetalmessiah wrote: It could also be that you have a shitty asio driver. Try downloading Asio4all if you don't already have it.

If you haven't done it already, do this. I had the same problem using virtual amps but this fixed it.

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I use a Line6 Toneport, and it's true that the Line6 interfaces have tone direct monitoring (at least mine does) that offers zero latency.
However, it ONLY works on the guitar line in, every other line-in bypasses the tone direct system. Also, as far as I understand it, the tone-direct line only works for monitoring, and probably only through the line6 software, so if you're using something else, such as amplitube, guitar rig, etc. then I dont think you get the tone-direct monitoring, just regular asio.
I run 44 khz @ 24 bit / 512 buffer and dont experience any latency issues in windows vista using the Line6 supplied drives.
However, I have been able to tighten latency settings further using Asio4All, it's vastly superior to the line6 drivers in most cases.

I haven't seen anyone mention it, but is your computer up to the task of virtual amp simulation? If you're using settings with a lot of effects, especially things like reverb and delay, it will bring your computer to its knees and WILL introduce very bad latency in excess of one second.

Try using simple amp models with no effects applied (just an amp, nothing else loaded up) and see if your latency is any better. If it is, then your computer is the problem, if it's the same, then you've got a problem somewhere else.

Also, for the record, Line6 interfaces are pieces of shit, I can't wait to get rid of mine and buy something half decent. They're good enough for dicking around but if you're serious about recording stuff, spend a bit more and get a good interface with good preamps, because Line6's are noisy as hell.


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Also forgot to mention, look into your motherboard chipset drivers and your USB drivers, if they're not up to date they may also be causing problems.


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At 5/20/09 05:09 PM, HungarianSupermarket wrote:
At 5/12/09 02:18 AM, speedmetalmessiah wrote: It could also be that you have a shitty asio driver. Try downloading Asio4all if you don't already have it.
If you haven't done it already, do this. I had the same problem using virtual amps but this fixed it.

tried that already

At 5/20/09 05:31 PM, Rottenbeard wrote: I use a Line6 Toneport, and it's true that the Line6 interfaces have tone direct monitoring (at least mine does) that offers zero latency.
However, it ONLY works on the guitar line in, every other line-in bypasses the tone direct system. Also, as far as I understand it, the tone-direct line only works for monitoring, and probably only through the line6 software, so if you're using something else, such as amplitube, guitar rig, etc. then I dont think you get the tone-direct monitoring, just regular asio.
I run 44 khz @ 24 bit / 512 buffer and dont experience any latency issues in windows vista using the Line6 supplied drives.
However, I have been able to tighten latency settings further using Asio4All, it's vastly superior to the line6 drivers in most cases.

I haven't seen anyone mention it, but is your computer up to the task of virtual amp simulation?


Also, for the record, Line6 interfaces are pieces of shit, I can't wait to get rid of mine and buy something half decent.

no i get a delay with no effects.. and it didnt really come with any recording software, just a pod farm effects program.. what would you suggest buying if line 6 really isnt that good?

oh and what program lets me use the tone direct monitoring?


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I face the same problem as well, only it's mainly because my computer is slow. Whenever I set the delay to low, it buffers too much and all I get is fuzz. Until I get a new computer, I have to record literally dry.


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im almost positive its not happening cause the computers slow cause its got 2 gigs of ram and dual 1.6 ghz processors and it costed $2000.. its a year old


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At 5/21/09 03:17 AM, JKG1069 wrote: im almost positive its not happening cause the computers slow cause its got 2 gigs of ram and dual 1.6 ghz processors and it costed $2000.. its a year old

Have you tried the ASIO4all driver, as suggested?


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That's weird..I happen to own a line 6 UX2 which is similar to your Pod and I never had any of the delay problems you speak of.I have a few ideas as to what is causing the delay.Perhaps you have too many programs running while you're recording.

It could also be your recording software,drivers or operating system that is causing the problem.

If these are not the problems, you should contact Line 6.

You can contact them here.


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