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At 5/12/09 12:58 PM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote:
Have you seen the flash in question?

Partially, it has horrible sound.

It portrays all blacks as violent thugs and jews as conspiratorial overlords.

Meh, I've seen other stuff with all black gangs or even white guys being the bad ones.

At the flash comes right out and states that Africans had not civilization before whites. It's trying to spur people to action to 'protect' the white race from the hordes of' inferiors'. It's more than offensive. It's trying to make an argument and spur people to action.

Personally I would consider it some kind of hallucinant scifi kind of thing. I wouldn't take it too seriously, though.

The slippery slope fallacy clearly fails here. Pico's school may be offensive to goth kids, but no one with any sense is going to take it as more than light-hearted parody. I seriously doubt anyone (except maybe the brain trusts that posted the 'White Will' flash) who played the game thought 'You know. Those Fulps are right. I better watch out for those Goth kids. They're violent and probably aliens."

I wonder actually if anyone, who was not a white supremacist before, would start thinking about how jews and blacks should be removed from the earth. I feel that in modern multicultural society, there are far more flashes that convey the message the other way around.

Yes, The Fulps need to worry about their image, but this works both ways. The Fulps do take a risk when censoring content, but they also take a huge risk when not censoring content. If they allow this to stay on the site, they risk individuals and groups accusing them of tacitly supporting the positions in the movie.

I, personally, find it just plain stupid that people would come to the conclusion that NG is a racist site built by racist people to propagate white suppremacy. These flashes probably won't even make front page. We should stop scanning for the offences and start just laughing at the stupidity of racist flashes and heartily take their jokes. Society would become much more pleasant that way.

At 5/12/09 01:11 PM, RubberTrucky wrote:

At 5/12/09 12:58 PM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote:

Partially, it has horrible sound.

Agreed, and the author seems to cuss out anyone who points that out.

It portrays all blacks as violent thugs and jews as conspiratorial overlords.

Meh, I've seen other stuff with all black gangs or even white guys being the bad ones.

Watch it again. This isn't just using blacks criminals.

Personally I would consider it some kind of hallucinant scifi kind of thing. I wouldn't take it too seriously, though.

Then why does it have the symbol for the National Alliance, a white supremest group, in the opening of the movie? Why does the description say that it was made for the National Alliance and directs people to sign up to a white supremest music label?

I wonder actually if anyone, who was not a white supremacist before, would start thinking about how jews and blacks should be removed from the earth. I feel that in modern multicultural society, there are far more flashes that convey the message the other way around.

A fine strawman. That is not the point at all. The point was that Pico's flash didn't have a message, so banning White Will would not invariably lead to the banning of most flash.

I, personally, find it just plain stupid that people would come to the conclusion that NG is a racist site built by racist people to propagate white suppremacy. These flashes probably won't even make front page. We should stop scanning for the offences and start just laughing at the stupidity of racist flashes and heartily take their jokes. Society would become much more pleasant that way.

Where was the joke in this? Point it out. I want to see how the hell that flash was funny. Seriously, tell me where the funny lies so that I may have a good, hearty laugh as well.

Look, I'm not someone to go and shout racism every five minutes, and I'm very quick to point out when someone is jumping to that conclusion too quickly. I also don't have any problems with off color humor, including some of the racial variety (I do have my limits here). This is probably the first thing I've ever seen on newgrounds that pissed me off, let alone this much, and I've been coming to this site for nearly 8 years now.

This was not funny. It was not sci fi. It is racist propoganda. You can laugh at their ignorance all you like, but considering that author called my father a traitor to his race for having me and referred to me personally as an ape and savage (even though I'm native american not black, which is what ape usually refers to) in PM, I'm not convinced in the slightest that this isn't anything but a racist pile of crap.

I could only manage to get to the scene where will/some old guy talk about the history after his fight scene, i'm sure there is a message in there and such but could someone give me the short summary of what went on?

At 5/12/09 07:34 AM, TheMason wrote:
Freedom of speech is not a "get out of jail free" card. NG is a private website and as such the Fulps have the right to control...and yes dictate...what can and cannot be posted using thier media. This is their stage and they have the right to kick whatever actors off of it they deem necessary. In the end, the freedom of speech does not mean the freedom from editorial discretion

As such I think it would be wise for the Fulps to remove this, and all future episodes, from NG.

I agree completely that the Fulps have the right to control/dictate as they choose on their own forum. And they do not choose to, despite what their forums rules say about this. No pornography, yet a wide explicit and graphic selection of hentai and fetish material being the best example of this. For every perfectly decent flash, there's three that could easily be considered "objectionable" and "offensive" simply because of the way newgrounds IS. Flashes that mock tragedy, grossly graphic mindless violence, and any other stuff people can come up with. Stuff that's perfectly acceptable here.

They have the discretion, and it appears they choose to exercise it only in placing an emphasis on freedom of speech rather than freedom of content. You're suggesting they should, and with no legitimate argument to back you up.

The only problem I see with these flashes is that they don't appear to belong to the owner, as this comic has apparently been around since 1991. If I had to guess, since I don't feel like hunting down a copy, he scanned a couple, added in his crappy music and voiceovers and called it a flash.

At 5/12/09 02:07 PM, MisterRPG wrote: The only problem I see with these flashes is that they don't appear to belong to the owner, as this comic has apparently been around since 1991. If I had to guess, since I don't feel like hunting down a copy, he scanned a couple, added in his crappy music and voiceovers and called it a flash.

The flash seemed to be done completely in flash, with the exception of the picture of the comic at the beginning.

At 5/12/09 02:25 PM, Tancrisism wrote:
The flash seemed to be done completely in flash, with the exception of the picture of the comic at the beginning.

Fair enough. I should have checked it before saying that.

At 5/12/09 02:35 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote:
The "no pornography" rule is in place pertaining to porn of real people. Hentai is fine though. I remember Wade explaining that this is so Newgrounds will stay compliant with 2257. Naturally, there's no way they can have records when people submit stuff from all over, so it's best to try and nip it in the bud to avoid liability.

In other words, it's not even about decency or being unoffensive, it's about staying compliant with the law. Fair enough, same works for racism. Hate speech may be ugly, but it's still legal, so there is no liability.

Author:
SnawsBall

Anyone surprised?

At 5/12/09 11:57 AM, TheMason wrote:

Hey Idiotfinder...I found another one for you!

*thumbs up* Yeah

Something like that should've been blammed. If it wasn't, then it's our fault for allowing it to exist.

At 5/12/09 04:09 PM, Ericho wrote: Something like that should've been blammed. If it wasn't, then it's our fault for allowing it to exist.

At least it's not going to steal any awards, that's for certain.

I don't see what was so bad about it. Yes, it is racist, but there are racist blacks, too. The KKK is evil, and I hate them. And although the Black Panther group was only trying to get segregation stopped, they still expressed a hate towards white people. Homophobes hate gays, and for no good reason, I think. And even as gays are trying to get their fair rights, they still feel uncomfortable around heterosexuals.

There is always going to be some level of intolerance in everyone. I think we should try our best to hide our intolerance, and try to be tolerant of others intolerance. Unless they are physically or emotionally harming somebody because of their race or sexuality, I see no reason as to why they aren't entitled their opinion.

At 5/12/09 04:23 PM, DaveB4T wrote: If you think I should kill myself make some forum posts about it and I might see them and die

Are you replying to your reviews in here? Because if you are, please stop. This topic isn't about you, it's to talk about your friends flash and whether or not it's offensive. Yes it's great promotion for you guys and all that shit, but still, if you have nothing to add to the discussion, to defend your viewpoint or answer the questions and such you've been asked, there's no more reason for you to be here.

At 5/12/09 03:55 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: Author:
SnawsBall

Anyone surprised?

yeah, I'm disappointed in him. Snawsball is no racist and is just proud to be white. Still shocked he would make such a racist movie.

He was kidding around with paperbat and he took it the wrong way.

I was alarmed with the flash, and it's askewed ideologies.

Most of the things it says is either arrogant, or biased.But its free speech let them believe in it even if its detrimental to society.

Haha, it just got blammed!

At 5/12/09 05:42 PM, IdentiC wrote: Haha, it just got blammed!

Nope removed by admins. end of political debate forever.

At 5/12/09 05:42 PM, IdentiC wrote: Haha, it just got blammed!

Which sounds like a pretty natural conclusion to this thread, since there's no viewable movie to discuss anymore. Thanks to all our contestants for playing, if you'll just file out to the lobby our guest Stan Lee is on hand to give out some good old No Prizes!