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So by now the vast majority of us has watched the community retort to Rina-Chan's Brawl Taunts, Brawl Funnies. An unashamed collection of animations poking fun at Kirbopher and Rina Chan for there Brawl Taunts animations. General quality of these animations is very poor, perhaps that is what the authors and are intending, as part of there lament of the Brawl Taunts animations themselves.

Then we get Rina-Chan and the Brawl Boyz. A well animated short story set to some music. And i get really confused. This is a stellar piece of animation, with fitting music. Easily enough to warrant it's own submission and would likely score a portal award for it.

But no. The artist decided to submit there hard work amongst the crap. The Brawl Funnies animations seem to be having a go at Kirbopher and Rina-Chan for not making anything original and just whoring out the Brawl franchise and yet only one person seems to put any effort in there actual animation. Why do decent artists do this shit? There hard work is lost amongst the crap in the rest of the collection and they'll never get any recognition for that work. It'll forever remain as that shining gem in that pile of crap collab no-one gave a shit about.

Brawl Funnies and it's artists have a point and it's a valid one, i'm more puzzled as to why the artist of the Rina-Chan and the Brawl Boyz short was willing to, in short, piss away that hard work by submitting that into the collab rather than it's own flash.

Anyone care to shed light on my artists seem to do crap like this? I've seen it more then a few times whilst on Newgrounds and it's always puzzled me as to why they would do it.


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in all my years of research I've never seen E-drama levels this high!

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At 5/10/09 03:54 AM, homor wrote: in all my years of research I've never seen E-drama levels this high!

Were you here for SirTom?


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At 5/10/09 03:56 AM, Wuggawoot wrote:
At 5/10/09 03:54 AM, homor wrote: in all my years of research I've never seen E-drama levels this high!
Were you here for SirTom?

Better question: How long have you been on the Internet, homor?

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At 5/10/09 03:56 AM, Wuggawoot wrote:
At 5/10/09 03:54 AM, homor wrote: in all my years of research I've never seen E-drama levels this high!
Were you here for SirTom?

That wasn't drama, that was hilarity.

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At 5/10/09 03:54 AM, homor wrote: in all my years of research I've never seen E-drama levels this high!

Meh, my gripe isn't with any of the parties involved. To be honest i find Brawl Taunts to be a cheap laugh, but I'd only ever view it like that. Original animations would gather more of my praise, whereas a funny videogame parody at most would get something equivalent to a "Hur hur. Funneh".

My gripe is about the artist putting a well made piece of animation in a crudely animated collab, about a crudely animated parody series, that says to me "I honestly couldn't give a rats arse about any praise/feedback/attention this animation would get me" which is hypocritical to me as the entire Brawl Funnies series seems to be one big whine.


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Brawl Taunts, Supah Nintendo, Nintendoh, and Sega have been some of the stupidest, most overrated shit on this site in a long ass time. It's about fucking time the spam crews got out of hibernation. Back in the days of Knox and Legendary Frog and when Foamy was shitting out a cartoon a week, there were people here to properly mock it. Then for a while, there was the either good, or the bad. Now we're back to what I call "Disaster Movie Humor." The jokes aren't funny, but you laugh because you know who the characters are. The whole "HAHAHA. THAT'S THAT GUY FROM THAT VIDEO GAME I PLAYED! BUT HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAAAAAAAAT!!!" kind of shit. Then there's the yelling to be funny, and completely unnecessary bleeping of curse words.
It's shit.
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At 5/10/09 04:21 AM, HandsomePete wrote: We must summon the spirits of The Star Syndicate, I tell you.

Do you honestly want to go back to a stage where's it's nigh impossible to find someone whose tried to make a decent animation or parody? Even if they fail hard at the jokes you can at least appreciate the fact they've tried. Compared to people being shite as part of their statement.

I had a short idea for a pisstake of these sorts, it's less aimed at the content itself and more about the fact that Rina-Chan seems to be the only female voice on all of Newgrounds, thus cue a flash where she whores her voice literally out of her mouth. Can i animate that? Fuck no, i have no drawing skill whatsoever. But i'd be cool with any animator doing so if it was thought to be a decent concept.

Maybe Newgrounds animators need to get decent writers more. Theres a lot of quality animators with their own styles who are genuinely happy with their style, but will pump out shit because they can't write for squat.

And i lied when i said Rina-Chan and the Brawl Boyz was the only thing with any effort. The short with Kirbopher in the balloon floating towards popularity and throwing out his self respect to try get to it is probably the most clever witty joke i've seen on this site in months.


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At 5/10/09 04:31 AM, Idocreating wrote: Do you honestly want to go back to a stage where's it's nigh impossible to find someone whose tried to make a decent animation or parody?

Oh god yes, please.

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I applaud rtil in submitting Rina-Chan and the Brawl Boys along with the rest of the collab.

How the fuck would rtil be able to go around taking the piss out of Kirbopher and Rina-Chan, calling them whores for popularity at the expense of their own integrity, and then choose to forsake his comrades in brawl funnies hilarity by abandoning their flash and their united message by submitting his piece as a stand-alone so he could reap the popularity and benefits himself? By putting his work in the pile, his flash is more powerful, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I love Brawl Funnies. I love how caustic and biting it is, I love the timing, I love the attitude, I love how so many people hate it and dismiss it as shitty animation or jealousy or whatever and then leave reviews exposing themselves as the jackasses they are. Sure, a lot of the parts aren't top quality, but that makes it more endearing. Kirbopher acknowledges that he doesn't put all his effort into animating Brawl Taunts. Why the fuck should the people taking shots at him be expected to go above and beyond consistently? I honestly found both disks (dicks) of Brawl funnies to be consistently and honestly funnier than any of the installments of Brawl Taunts. Brawl Taunts should never have had a second installment, and yet it gets absurdly high scores and attention. As of tonight, More Brawl Taunts has a 4.35 or so. Waterlollies has a 4.37. There is not a motherfucking chance in hell that Brawl Taunts 2 deserves to be within 0.02 points of Waterlollies, not by a fucking longshot, and it's obvious that the people giving Brawl Taunts such obscene scores are legions of tasteless fanboys who get their rocks off on regurgitated video game-based blandness or people who have no gauge of what makes a flash deserving of recognition and due respect.

Bravo, Brawl Funnies. Bravo.


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I Thought Brawl Funnies was good. It's not always about the animation, it's about the humor.

But yeah, many good animators do spam on NG. But have good animations at the same time.

Fawx, Zekey, Rtil the list goes on.

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At 5/10/09 04:39 AM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: I applaud rtil in submitting Rina-Chan and the Brawl Boys along with the rest of the collab.

How the fuck would rtil be able to go around taking the piss out of Kirbopher and Rina-Chan, calling them whores for popularity at the expense of their own integrity, and then choose to forsake his comrades in brawl funnies hilarity by abandoning their flash and their united message by submitting his piece as a stand-alone so he could reap the popularity and benefits himself? By putting his work in the pile, his flash is more powerful, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

That's a valid point, though one i don't agree with. By putting it in the rest of the collab, to me that loses it's impact as a decent piece of solid animation in it's own right, something rtil could put in a portfolio for his work. It doesn't even fit the tone of the rest of the flash either, it just seems out of place.

In all honesty i don't think he should have put this much effort in it. It's part of a larger piece of animation and thus will never be recognised as a brilliant animation in it's own right. To me, while it shows he's united in his message about Brawl Taunts, he's turned what could be called a solid piece of animation to a shiny gem in a stinking pile of whiny crap.

I love Brawl Funnies. I love how caustic and biting it is, I love the timing, I love the attitude, I love how so many people hate it and dismiss it as shitty animation or jealousy or whatever and then leave reviews exposing themselves as the jackasses they are. Sure, a lot of the parts aren't top quality, but that makes it more endearing. Kirbopher acknowledges that he doesn't put all his effort into animating Brawl Taunts. Why the fuck should the people taking shots at him be expected to go above and beyond consistently?

I find it a hypocritical statement and that knocks points off to me. It's not so much that it's crudely draw, it's that it's purposefully drawn like that, and the voice acting and jokes are purposefully trying to be thick to show how crude the Brawl Taunts ones are, but it just ends up looking like a bunch of whinging to me.

I honestly found both disks (dicks) of Brawl funnies to be consistently and honestly funnier than any of the installments of Brawl Taunts. Brawl Taunts should never have had a second installment, and yet it gets absurdly high scores and attention. As of tonight, More Brawl Taunts has a 4.35 or so. Waterlollies has a 4.37. There is not a motherfucking chance in hell that Brawl Taunts 2 deserves to be within 0.02 points of Waterlollies, not by a fucking longshot, and it's obvious that the people giving Brawl Taunts such obscene scores are legions of tasteless fanboys who get their rocks off on regurgitated video game-based blandness or people who have no gauge of what makes a flash deserving of recognition and due respect.

Know your market bud. Videogame parodies will always be insanely popular on a website where the primary audience is young teenage males. Because the biggest audience for video games is still young teenage males. Whilst many decent original animations will score highly overall, anything videogame related will score highly because that's what the audience knows.

Perhaps the portal should be split up into catagorys? Top 100's for different genres (Original animations, Videogame parodies, Games, etc)

Bravo, Brawl Funnies. Bravo.
At 5/10/09 04:46 AM, Maximus wrote: I Thought Brawl Funnies was good. It's not always about the animation, it's about the humor.

But yeah, many good animators do spam on NG. But have good animations at the same time.

Fawx, Zekey, Rtil the list goes on.

Zekey is a brilliant example. I loved Squaresville but i'll probably never see anything else that decent by him unless it gets an award or frontpaged due to the immense about of spammy crap he's put out that i'd just not willing to wade through to find a possible gem.


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well for as little as any of you forum vets would care of my opinion: I do believe "Brawl Funnies" hit the nail on the head. I don't even care if most of them were purposely done terribly, that was the idea after all; it is a parody of a parody.

I found that quite a few were indeed well drawn, simple, but well drawn. Hell, it even looks like Rina-Chan agrees with the creators of the collab, quite surprising when I saw her video.


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Why did these artists do this?

Because they're tired of seeing the same formula be adored by teenagers on this site

Because they're tired of seeing the same jokes being done over and over again.

Because they're tired of the same artists getting attention off a sole franchise and not striving to improve.

But more specifically why did Rtil put his animation into the collab? Most likely because the collab was formed and organized on the website he goes on. Rtil is a good animator and there has been little question about that, but like Maximus said, the collab is more about the message than the actual individual animation skill. Just because a good animator puts his efforts into a collab where the other artists don't have the same animation skill doesn't mean he's wasting his time or effort.

For the most part, I found myself agreeing with the overall message of the collab in the fashion that the jokes used in the Brawl Taunts flashes have run their course. Nobodies going to stop Kirbopher and Rina from making animations about the same franchise if they want to make them, but at the same time, their works can be overbearing and repetitive. This is part of why I like NG. The fact that people can make animations making fun of other animations and even get it on the front page is part of the reason that makes this place so great. But when looking at the quality of a submission in this case, the amount of effort behind each piece of the collab isn't as important as the overall message.

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At 5/10/09 04:02 AM, Metal-Sonic-v2 wrote: Better question: How long have you been on the Internet, homor?

since i was 7 years old.

damn G4 boards ruined my childhood.

but that doesn't change the fact that i stand by my research!

given my research is just some things scribbled on a napkin like Master Chief as a gay cowboy, but stil...

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We, as an evolving community of artists and entertainers, which I do see us as, have reached a point of stagnation. Animations that differ only slightly from the last animation in the same vein have consistently been becoming more and more popular as the months go by.

To be honest, I'm tired of seeing animations based off of video games that offer no real substance as a piece of art. Sure, it's creative, but it's only creative in the sense that it's basically the same thing wrapped up in different colored paper. The goal of an artist, in my opinion, is to become better so that you may continually grow and be able to do the thing that you love the most in this world to the best of your ability. And you will not, I repeat, you will not get better if you continue on a course of producing the same thing 5 times over.

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This would not be the first time rtil openly expressed his feelings towards lame video game parodies as you can see here, he put his work in that collab because he fully supported it's overall message.

Yes, Newground's audience is a bunch or horny 13 year olds which would derp all day about how cool and funny video game flashes are but that's not the kind of behaviour we should be encourageing of them, if they keep seeing all this stuff get high ratings then they would generally think it's the way forward.

Truly fantastic and original flash is a treat to find but it's often outshined by the hordes of video game crap these 13 year olds make trying to be the next Kirbophor.


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At 5/10/09 05:52 AM, 36Holla wrote: Why did these artists do this?

Because they're tired of seeing the same formula be adored by teenagers on this site

Because they're tired of seeing the same jokes being done over and over again.

Because they're tired of the same artists getting attention off a sole franchise and not striving to improve.

sure

but mostly

its because of these:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/reviews /494508

i mean really these reviews have everything! such variety! dumbasses who completely missed the point of the flash! inarticulate idiots who closed the flash after 2 minutes! horny faggots who want more brawl sex scenes and were disappointed by the ensuing gayness! infuriated nerds adamantly defending their right to enjoy videogame related trash! pretentious douchebags giving 10 paragraph lectures on why we wasted our talent! overly sensitive pussies defending against the "slander" of rina chan and kirbopher, even though neither of them give a shit!

these reviews encompass everything about newgrounds that we love to hate. these reviews prove our point better than any of our animations could ever hope to. these reviews are the real reason we made the flash.

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At 5/10/09 03:47 AM, Idocreating wrote: So by now the vast majority of us has watched the community retort to Rina-Chan's Brawl Taunts, Brawl Funnies. An unashamed collection of animations poking fun at Kirbopher and Rina Chan for there Brawl Taunts animations. General quality of these animations is very poor, perhaps that is what the authors and are intending, as part of there lament of the Brawl Taunts animations themselves.

Good you know what a parody is then... oh wait there's more text, perhaps you don't understand the point of a parody then.

Then we get Rina-Chan and the Brawl Boyz. A well animated short story set to some music. And i get really confused. This is a stellar piece of animation, with fitting music. Easily enough to warrant it's own submission and would likely score a portal award for it.

I will agree with you that Rina-Chan and the Brawl Boyz was certainly really well made, however I see it as a bit too short to win a portal award, if more was added on then yeah maybe.

But no. The artist decided to submit there hard work amongst the crap. The Brawl Funnies animations seem to be having a go at Kirbopher and Rina-Chan for not making anything original and just whoring out the Brawl franchise and yet only one person seems to put any effort in there actual animation. Why do decent artists do this shit? There hard work is lost amongst the crap in the rest of the collection and they'll never get any recognition for that work. It'll forever remain as that shining gem in that pile of crap collab no-one gave a shit about.

Because said artist is joining a group of people who made other parodies of Brawl Taunts. Besides I don't think you caught what Rina-Chan and Brawl Boyz was making fun of. I'll try and get it right...

Rina-Chan and Brawl Boyz was mocking Rina-Chan's obsession with Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Brawl Funnies and it's artists have a point and it's a valid one, i'm more puzzled as to why the artist of the Rina-Chan and the Brawl Boyz short was willing to, in short, piss away that hard work by submitting that into the collab rather than it's own flash.

Because that artist wanted it to be part of a collab. What are you not getting from that. If the artist wishes to add they're work to a collab then let them. Praise them for it and nothing more.

Anyone care to shed light on my artists seem to do crap like this? I've seen it more then a few times whilst on Newgrounds and it's always puzzled me as to why they would do it.

Wow you asked the same question four times. Well I already answered the same question three times, so I'm not going to bother answering it again. I've sent a PM to a person who was part of the collab and he will probably come in here and answer your questions and give better answers then I have given here.

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at least it gets the message across "no more brawl taunts"


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Because we find it funny to make you people upset and bothered.

Not really all that deep of a concept.


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DAHHH HOW DO I POST THREADS BOSS?


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At 5/13/09 09:13 PM, Bug wrote: DAHHH HOW DO I POST THREADS BOSS?

I'm not sure.

But lets get down to the matter at hand.

Gentlemen....how do we kill Superman?

I propose a large rock be thrown at his head.


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ddeuuueerrr i betcha da jokear could kill batman dd ffhf


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the SS does this partly because of their genuine dislike of the flashes.

but more than anything its an attempt to troll fans of the flashes.

i still liked Metal Gear Funnies more.

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At 5/13/09 09:17 PM, Bug wrote: ddeuuueerrr i betcha da jokear could kill batman dd ffhf

It depends. Joker could probably kill modern age superman. But not silverage.

Does Joker have kryptonite?


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ill krypton YOUR ite


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You are all such rude children and you, ZEKEY, should be in bed.
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rtil is a good animator but for a while he has been butt hurt that flash like metal gear awesome 2 get front page, more views, and higher scores than his flash like metropolis circuit. It is an awesome flash btw. He did the same thing with Metal gear funnies.

so in simple terms he shares the same ideas with these other animators, he is probably just the only one qualified to say anything about it.


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At 5/13/09 09:16 PM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote:
At 5/13/09 09:13 PM, Bug wrote: DAHHH HOW DO I POST THREADS BOSS?
I'm not sure.

But lets get down to the matter at hand.

Gentlemen....how do we kill Superman?

I propose a large rock be thrown at his head.

That kryptonite dick plan still stands zekey.


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