Forum Topic: Headphones Which/What?

(668 views • 58 replies)

This topic is 2 pages long. [ 1 | 2 ]

<< < > >>
None

B0UNC3

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/7/09 12:54 PM

B0UNC3 DARK LEVEL 06

Sign-Up: 01/04/05

Posts: 1,548

At 5/7/09 12:52 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: I actually prefer my Philips SBC HP910. Infact I'm mixing my latest song in them

Shit, forgot to Ctrl + V.


None

Slipstreamer

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/7/09 02:47 PM

Slipstreamer NEUTRAL LEVEL 19

Sign-Up: 12/05/06

Posts: 676

At 5/7/09 12:54 PM, B0UNC3 wrote:
At 5/7/09 12:52 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: I actually prefer my Philips SBC HP910. Infact I'm mixing my latest song in them
Shit, forgot to Ctrl + V.

lol nice one bouncy

I had a nice pair of Boosts a while ago, its actually a local company but the guy said it was going big soon.

Slips - A hardass smartass response to ignorance.
yep yep yep.
mhmm.

BBS Signature

Elated

Darren-M

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/7/09 03:01 PM

Darren-M NEUTRAL LEVEL 13

Sign-Up: 06/14/08

Posts: 342

actually i find that it is necessary to have both "crappy" or maybe even commercial headphones or ear bud to compare to your monitor headphones. i recommend the ipod earbuds that you can buy at a mac store since many people listen through this type of ear bud.

the thing is sometimes what i hear through my mdr v6 sound really crisp and the bass is beautiful, but when i put my ear buds in to see how the common car speaker or ear bud listener is going to hear the same sounds i find that sometimes there is too much sub bass or that the treble higher part is actually piercing because its peaking past the frequency limit of the earbuds where as it wasnt on the monitor headphones.

its a good idea to have both with mixing


None

Erkie

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/7/09 03:15 PM

Erkie DARK LEVEL 16

Sign-Up: 07/16/04

Posts: 3,547

My soundcard lets me master it on 2.1, which translates over to headphones.

Report Songs|Submit Ideas|How Erkie reviews|
94% of posts made in AF since 2005

BBS Signature

None

Darren-M

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/7/09 03:23 PM

Darren-M NEUTRAL LEVEL 13

Sign-Up: 06/14/08

Posts: 342

At 5/7/09 03:15 PM, Erkie wrote: My soundcard lets me master it on 2.1, which translates over to headphones.

thats pretty sweet, man have you seen those surround headphones, they are pretty cool.


Happy

PeterSatera

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/9/09 04:49 PM

PeterSatera DARK LEVEL 04

Sign-Up: 01/29/08

Posts: 314


None

MoniMC

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/9/09 05:17 PM

MoniMC NEUTRAL LEVEL 07

Sign-Up: 08/22/06

Posts: 256

In my opinion your gonna want the flattest sound you can get, and uh skull candys...LMFAO i think not haha i mean there okai if your not a prouder haha. I use the SONY MDR 7506 there amazing. i getting KRK speakers next. but then I make Hip-Hop beats for the most part and i think it all depends what genre you make...gfagasdkl gaf

BBS Signature

None

Church28

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/9/09 08:41 PM

Church28 DARK LEVEL 06

Sign-Up: 05/08/09

Posts: 1

skull candy is way better the bass is really good and you can tell the difference and its roughly 50 dollars so you have a lot left over for something nice you know for the lady friend or just for well whatever


None

Rawmin

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/9/09 09:15 PM

Rawmin LIGHT LEVEL 16

Sign-Up: 08/26/06

Posts: 777

At 5/9/09 08:41 PM, Church28 wrote: skull candy is way better the bass is really good

Precisely why skull candy is not way better. Well at least for mixing purposes.

Having boosted bass will ruin a mix, because you will undermix the bass, thinking it is loud enough, because the headphones make it seem so. However in actuality, there is not.

For mixing purposes, the flatter the signal (ie no added bass, mids, or treble) the better.

Note, however, that most, if not all, headphones will have some colourization.


Goofy

PeterSatera

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/10/09 12:52 PM

PeterSatera DARK LEVEL 04

Sign-Up: 01/29/08

Posts: 314

Alright, you all better be right I just bought myself some Senn' 280pros.

:P


None

Mrmilkcarton

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/10/09 01:29 PM

Mrmilkcarton NEUTRAL LEVEL 11

Sign-Up: 07/19/06

Posts: 624

At 5/10/09 12:52 PM, PeterSatera wrote: Alright, you all better be right I just bought myself some Senn' 280pros.

P

Tell me what you think after breaking them in. :P

Awe chicken nuggets and pancakes what did you do this time?
www.myspace.com/mrmilkcartonmusic


None

EternalXIII

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/10/09 02:56 PM

EternalXIII FAB LEVEL 07

Sign-Up: 07/11/06

Posts: 147

I have the skullcandy hesh... They were a total waste of money. Sound quality good for mp3 and everyday listening, but fail as studio headphones.

Smoke me, I'm dope.

BBS Signature

Elated

Kazmo

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/10/09 03:24 PM

Kazmo LIGHT LEVEL 19

Sign-Up: 03/26/06

Posts: 196

$200 can get you some nice Stanton DJ Pro 2000's :3

They're awesome, and they were less than $200, so you save money! :P

Stanton DJ Pro 2000 Headphones User

If you love trance: Kazmo's Beats!


None

PeterSatera

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/11/09 12:46 PM

PeterSatera DARK LEVEL 04

Sign-Up: 01/29/08

Posts: 314


None

Rottenbeard

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/11/09 09:54 PM

Rottenbeard EVIL LEVEL 04

Sign-Up: 02/19/08

Posts: 13

Just thought i'd comment in on this thread because i've messed about with a lot of this my self and went through a lot of the same problems in choosing headphones.

First thing I want to get out of the way is that headphones are NO GOOD for mixing. Period. Can you mix with headphones? Sure you can, and with enough practice you can get good sounding mixes too, however, my point is that headphones are poor choices for mixing, no matter the quality of them. You will likely find that when you mix things on headphones, things might sound perfect, but once you bring the same song to speakers in an open room, the levels will sound completely out of whack. Professional audio engineers will almost never mix using headphones and its for good reason! With practice and experience you can learn to counter the short comings of headphone mixing so that they sound good on speakers, but it's annoying and time consuming, but if you are on a budget it is an option.

The primary purpose really, for using a pair of headphones is for monitoring (as a musician) or for critical listening in the mixing or mastering process in which you need to hear very subtle sonic details or differences that can get lost on speakers in a room (headphones offer better up close "resolution" I guess you could say). In reality, to produce high quality mixes you need both, good headphones and good monitoring speakers, that isn't to say that you can't get away with only one or the other, but having both opens up more options and makes things a lot easier.

Now, that said, there is no magic headphone that will be better than everything else out there simply because sound is open to interpretation and is highly subjective to ones own opinion (as all things in the music industry are, and I think the number of responses in this thread suggesting different 'phones is proof of that).
Just remember that just because something is expensive does not mean it is good, this is a fundamental problem with the sound industry because people pay so much for something that they start to hear only what they want to hear in order to justify their purchase. I think i've said this elsewhere on the forums, but i've seen blind tests conducted on other websites where $3000 professional studio mics were put up side by side with home-studio level $150 - $300 mics (running the same pre-amps mind you) only to have most users say the cheaper mic sounded better to them, so take from that what you will as it applies equally to headphones.

When looking for headphones you've got 2 things to look at. First off whether you want open back or closed back headphones. If you're going to do a lot of recording using a mic, you're going to want closed back headphones as they'll prevent sound from bleeding into the mics as you record (these are typically referred to as "monitoring" headphones by most manufacturers). The draw back of a closed back set of cans is that they can be pretty dead sounding and will lack the sparkle that open backed headphones provide. The benefit of a closed back set of 'phones is that they do tend to have a higher bass response and excellent isolation which can be helpful in pin-pointing problem areas sometimes in a mix.
Open back 'phones on the other hand allow the sound to breathe, these types of headphones are no good for any sort of mic recording (or even listening with around other people 'cause they'll hear everything you do ;)), however, they provide MUCH more natural sound as sound is free to travel to both ears from either earphone making the sonic quality you perceive higher, more detailed and more airy. If you insist on mixing/mastering using a set of headphones, you're going to want to look for an open ear pair as this will give you the best results in my opinion.

The other thing you'll want to look at is frequency response. While this won't really tell you anything about how the headphones actually sound (again, like I said, it's subjective), it will tell you the range in which the headphones will represent available frequencies. The most common for most studio headphones from the majority of companies is probably 12/15 to 25,000 Hz, this is usually adequate for most people in most cases. If you move to the top of the line of most professional headphones you will typically see the range go from 10 to almost 40, 000 Hz, probably overkill unless you love to spend money or you're doing this professionally.

Personally, i've used both AKG and Audio Technica headphones, both sound good, both are different style headphones and both serve different purposes for me, and between the both of them I probably spent less than $250. Stick with a reliable company (there's been a lot of good mentions here already). Try to avoid stuff like skullcandy or bose (this has already been said), not because they're bad headphones, but because they're consumer grade and not suited for recording use, they have very skewed frequency responses which makes them great for listening to music but difficult to use for mixing purposes.
Grado, Sennheiser, Sony, Beyer Dynamic, AKG, Audio Technica all make excellent 'phones with fairly neutral frequency responses suitable for recording/studio use, and they all offer models that won't break the bank.

I know this was long winded but I hope it was some help as I was once in the same position you were in.

Regards,
Daniel


None

Erkie

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/11/09 11:30 PM

Erkie DARK LEVEL 16

Sign-Up: 07/16/04

Posts: 3,547

First thing I want to get out of the way is that headphones are NO GOOD for mixing. Period. Can you mix with headphones? Sure you can, and with enough practice you can get good sounding mixes too, however, my point is that headphones are poor choices for mixing, no matter the quality of them.

The rest of your post had great points to those curious, but this is my only quip. The simple solution is to mix on headphones and master on 2.1+. Master in any speaker setup and it will translate to any speakers below all the way down to headphones.

The reason being is because, personally, between headphones and speakers, I'll always go speakers because living with other people, I'm very personal about what I listen to. Not only that, but even when I'm alone, I've come to desire the minute detail of the songs I listen to. I rarely ever listen on speakers unless I'm driving or if I feel the song really calls for it.

Report Songs|Submit Ideas|How Erkie reviews|
94% of posts made in AF since 2005

BBS Signature

None

djsumara

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/12/09 06:44 PM

djsumara NEUTRAL LEVEL 14

Sign-Up: 01/24/09

Posts: 200

Has anyone tried Denon DN-HP700's? Cause they go for around 100$ and I might get them my self

BBS Signature

None

Rottenbeard

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/12/09 06:58 PM

Rottenbeard EVIL LEVEL 04

Sign-Up: 02/19/08

Posts: 13

At 5/11/09 11:30 PM, Erkie wrote:
First thing I want to get out of the way is that headphones are NO GOOD for mixing. Period. Can you mix with headphones? Sure you can, and with enough practice you can get good sounding mixes too, however, my point is that headphones are poor choices for mixing, no matter the quality of them.
The rest of your post had great points to those curious, but this is my only quip. The simple solution is to mix on headphones and master on 2.1+. Master in any speaker setup and it will translate to any speakers below all the way down to headphones.

The reason being is because, personally, between headphones and speakers, I'll always go speakers because living with other people, I'm very personal about what I listen to. Not only that, but even when I'm alone, I've come to desire the minute detail of the songs I listen to. I rarely ever listen on speakers unless I'm driving or if I feel the song really calls for it.

I agree that for me, personally, music always sounds best through headphones where you can experience the full detail of the song, especially with a good open back pair like I had mentioned previous. However, you cannot experience the same power of music and sound through headphones as you can through speakers for the simple fact that music (or sound, I should say) is not only heard but felt, this is especially true for bass frequencies which are picked up on with your entire body and not just your ears, it's also for this reason that mixing on a speaker setup is considerably more beneficial for the quality of your mix, especially for the low end. An excellent example of this would be playing an acoustic drumset versus an electronic drumset. An electric drum kit is fun to play and sounds awesome through headphones, an acoustic drum set can make you feel like a rock star because the punch and power of the instrument can be felt, not only heard.

However, i'm not sure I fully understand what it is you're saying about mixing and mastering. If you mix on a set of headphones but master on speakers, it'll just mean you're mastering a bad sounding mix. If your levels and panning are all out of whack because you mixed on headphones, it doesn't matter how you master your song, your levels and panning will still be out of whack once mastered. Unless you're just confusing the terms of mixing versus mastering? When I refer to mastering a song, I am talking about a completed song that has had all panning, levels, EQ, individual compression, effects, etc already done and set.
When you're mastering you should be working on the entire song as a whole in order to clean up any audio artifacts, apply final EQ and compression to the song as a whole, etc. At the mastering stage you shouldn't be "mixing" anything, at least not as I understand it, but everyone has their own way of doing things.
If you're saying you mix the mixing and mastering process together (i.e do rough on headphones then final mixdown AND master on speakers) then yeah, that's cool, everyone does things their own way and the end result would be the same anyways.
The process in which you do things will also depend on the style of music you compose, some styles simply require a lot more fiddling than others, things like techno can be a lot easier since you've got less problems to deal with since you're working with sounds generated by a computer. When you work with mics and dynamic recordings things get a bit more messy and require more attention and care on the part of the producer!


None

Erkie

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/12/09 07:17 PM

Erkie DARK LEVEL 16

Sign-Up: 07/16/04

Posts: 3,547

At 5/12/09 06:58 PM, Rottenbeard wrote: If you're saying you mix the mixing and mastering process together

No.

Mix = Put it together.
Master = Cohesiveness.

Mix it however you want as long as you master it on 2.1+.

the simple fact that music (or sound, I should say) is not only heard but felt, this is especially true for bass frequencies which are picked up on with your entire body and not just your ears

Agreed, but now we're heading into live show territory on simple principle:
Playing music really loud to physically sense it. I'm fulfilled already from a song by getting a personal emotion response.

But, like the purpose of both live music and film theaters, if you have a group of people paying to have this experience together, they'll want every bit of stimuli squeezed out of what they paid for. This in turn leads to sound being played loudly for all to hear, and with an inherent bonus of physically feeling it.

Report Songs|Submit Ideas|How Erkie reviews|
94% of posts made in AF since 2005

BBS Signature

None

moose3642

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/12/09 10:29 PM

moose3642 NEUTRAL LEVEL 08

Sign-Up: 07/10/08

Posts: 158

AKG
perfectly flat and unbiased, good price, long life.

"the object of war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact...By becoming continuous war has ceased to exist."
-Orwell 161


None

MoniMC

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/13/09 04:29 PM

MoniMC NEUTRAL LEVEL 07

Sign-Up: 08/22/06

Posts: 256

At 5/9/09 08:41 PM, Church28 wrote: skull candy is way better the bass is really good and you can tell the difference and its roughly 50 dollars so you have a lot left over for something nice you know for the lady friend or just for well whatever

But doesn't the SkullCandys add Color to your sound?

BBS Signature

Angry

gregaaron89

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/13/09 06:23 PM

gregaaron89 DARK LEVEL 16

Sign-Up: 05/18/07

Posts: 4,635

At 5/13/09 04:29 PM, MoniMC wrote:
At 5/9/09 08:41 PM, Church28 wrote: skull candy is way better the bass is really good and you can tell the difference and its roughly 50 dollars so you have a lot left over for something nice you know for the lady friend or just for well whatever
But doesn't the SkullCandys add Color to your sound?

yes, skullcandys are shitty, don't listen to him.


None

Yodamanjaro

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/14/09 12:19 AM

Yodamanjaro DARK LEVEL 10

Sign-Up: 10/14/07

Posts: 35

Pioneer HDJ-1000s ftw. That's what I got, yeah they break every 4 months (im' on my third pair. ha ha) but hey, 1 year warranty tells you you'll get like 4 PAIR! hahahahhaha


None

djsumara

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/14/09 07:19 AM

djsumara NEUTRAL LEVEL 14

Sign-Up: 01/24/09

Posts: 200

At 5/14/09 12:19 AM, Yodamanjaro wrote: Pioneer HDJ-1000s ftw. That's what I got, yeah they break every 4 months (im' on my third pair. ha ha) but hey, 1 year warranty tells you you'll get like 4 PAIR! hahahahhaha

Yea you told me that before lol, why not just get the HDJ-2000's? better quality and ITS METAL!!

So you get what you want.

BBS Signature

None

MoniMC

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/14/09 09:51 AM

MoniMC NEUTRAL LEVEL 07

Sign-Up: 08/22/06

Posts: 256

At 5/13/09 06:23 PM, gregaaron89 wrote:
At 5/13/09 04:29 PM, MoniMC wrote:
At 5/9/09 08:41 PM, Church28 wrote: skull candy is way better the bass is really good and you can tell the difference and its roughly 50 dollars so you have a lot left over for something nice you know for the lady friend or just for well whatever
But doesn't the SkullCandys add Color to your sound?
yes, skullcandys are shitty, don't listen to him.

THANK YOU! I been trying to tell people there horrible for making music or mixing. But perfect for a iPod or anything similar

BBS Signature

Happy

MrSaint

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/14/09 03:48 PM

MrSaint NEUTRAL LEVEL 08

Sign-Up: 09/09/08

Posts: 847

I got Creative HQ-1700. Works well for me, and fulfills all my needs.


None

Devorax

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/14/09 09:08 PM

Devorax FAB LEVEL 08

Sign-Up: 09/16/06

Posts: 416

If your worried about the price of the headphones just check my profile..
Should help you on the price subject.


None

danicos

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/14/09 09:11 PM

danicos LIGHT LEVEL 15

Sign-Up: 05/23/08

Posts: 295

Skull-Candy Or an expensive Pair from Sony

Only a rapist has the ability to read this

BBS Signature

Angry

danicos

Reply To Post Reply & Quote

Posted at: 5/14/09 09:12 PM

danicos LIGHT LEVEL 15

Sign-Up: 05/23/08

Posts: 295

the Really Plastic ones suck more ass than pornstars on payroll

Only a rapist has the ability to read this

BBS Signature

All times are Eastern Standard Time (GMT -5) | Current Time: 07:06 AM

<< Back

This topic is 2 pages long. [ 1 | 2 ]

<< < > >>
You need a Grounds Gold Account to post on the NG BBS! If you don't have one, click here to sign up now! It's fast, free, and easy — and opens up tons of great NG features!