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That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 09:34 AM

Again and again now for the 3rd time this is stupidly needing attention.

I put this to everyone or anyone who has somewhat an influence on this site - whether it be Audio mods, or audio admins.

This is somewhat a ridiculous matter which has been ignored for ages. Lets be bold NG is a short film and game website! And what does short films need? Soundtrack Music, Yet they have still not seperated, (even after suggesting they would) the Classical section into two seperate genres Classical and Film Score. If we wanted music from a film would we go to the Classical section in our music store? Of Course not, it would be under soundtracks. And thats what this kind of music is specific to, soundtrack for a short film/ games.

Anyone who knows anything about music knows classical music is nothing like Film Scoring. The creation of a classical piece contains very different approaches in composition. Not only that, but people who hear a single element that is not of classical nature straight away say, this is not classical, and vote down on it. You certainly wouldn't class the Metal Gear Solid 2 Theme by Harry Gregson Williams classical. It's full of synths as well as an orchestra! Or Con Air by Mark Mancina which is full of Electrical Guitars and bass as well as Orchestra. It's an annoyingly tedious act of clicking back and forth to hear or find the type of music that should be the easiest to find for projects.

This way if audio artists create a classical piano piece they are going to be appreciated by the audience it's intended for and Vice a Versa for Film Scoring Composers. This is the only website I know of which mates Classical with Soundtrack/Films scores. It's ironic that Club Music or Rock or Metal have been broken up thoroughly here yet the aim of the audio section ( to give film music for the animators/ game creators) has been completely denied since day one.

So if you are of an authority figure here, then put it to the man in charge to add it (ITS NOT HARD)! It's been an on going topic created again and again. So to put it to rest just add it. People can always take their old work and move it to the new section if it belongs in there. All they have to do is add the seperation in the drop down list.


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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 09:46 AM

Amen!
I second that!


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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 10:32 AM

You're making the assumption that all Film Score music is Classical music - where Film Score music fits into the classical genre, it can be put into the Classical Section, and where Film Score music fits into another genre (like metal, classical rock, etc.), it can be put into the corresponding genre. But really, if there was a Film Score section, it would most likely be a mish-mash of different Genres.

I do, however, think that the non-electronica genres should be split up better. Classical music isn't as simple as just "Classical", and some of the sub-genres of Classical are better suited to being used as Film Score music. Same goes for Metal, Punk, etc.

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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 10:32 AM

Creating the score genre is in my opinion absolutely necessary. I completeley agree. I hope that one day I can submit my songs to that particular genre.

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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 10:43 AM

There are many more pressing genre needs than "Film Score." Electronic music genres are in serious need of renovation, and nobody uses those "Southern Flavor" genres anymore.

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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 11:09 AM

At 5/3/09 10:43 AM, Nav wrote: Electronic music genres are in serious need of renovation

You've got to be kidding me. There's one section that's supposed to encompass Oi!, Classic Punk, Emo, Punk-Goth, Hardcore, Pop-Punk, Post-Punk and Alternative that's simply labelled "Punk", there's one section for Piano Solos, Operatic Music, Neo-classical orchestral, Neo-Classical Serial, Romantic, Experimental Classical, Quartet, etc. simply labelled "Classical", and one section that's supposed to encompass Black Metal, Death Metal, Hair Metal, Power Metal, Folk-Metal, Pirate Metal, Hard Rock, Classic Metal, Symphonic Metal, Gothic Metal, Glam Metal, British Blues (ie Black Sabbath), etc. (the list is enormous, but there are a few distinct genres, specifically Power Metal, Symphonic Metal, Death metal, and Hard Rock) simply labelled "Heavy Metal". The Electronica genre seems fairly well split up in comparison.

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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 12:46 PM

At 5/3/09 10:32 AM, HaniiPuppy wrote: You're making the assumption that all Film Score music is Classical music - where Film Score music fits into the classical genre, it can be put into the Classical Section, and where Film Score music fits into another genre (like metal, classical rock, etc.), it can be put into the corresponding genre.

I know what you mean. And that is all music on NG implies for film. But Score music is completely different to classical. If it was about the sound of classical instruments then why do we have a Jazz section, Blues, Country and Latin? They all classicly implemented styles yet they all imply a different sound styles. Like Film Scoring. Which has always been neglected.

Film Score music is music with impact. Classical does not rely on impact and pace and suspense like film music does. Nowhere near it. Classical can run on ambient emotion, and a display of unison which Film Scoring totally escapes from. Clashes of notes create suspense which would never be regarded as classical

Like this...just at the start.

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At 5/3/09 10:32 AM, HaniiPuppy wrote:

But really, if there was a Film Score section, it would most likely be a mish-mash of different Genres.

I dont think so. It implies the piece was made for a film or game in mind not for sitting back and chilling to a easy listening piece.

As you said, the Classical Section needs attention for more than anywhere else!
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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 12:50 PM

At 5/3/09 10:43 AM, Nav wrote: There are many more pressing genre needs than "Film Score." Electronic music genres are in serious need of renovation, and nobody uses those "Southern Flavor" genres anymore.

Not really, im overwhelmed by the 9 genres of Electronica and 8 Genres of Rock. I wouldnt know where to go for a certain sound. Film Score genre is dead simple to understand exactly what it is straight away by reading it.

Easy Listening has two genres...
Classical and Jazz. and well our Film compositions sure aren't Jazz, so they go the only place they end up going...as always...classical. Which they aren't.


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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 12:55 PM

At 5/3/09 11:09 AM, HaniiPuppy wrote: You've got to be kidding me. There's one section that's supposed to encompass Oi!, Classic Punk, Emo, Punk-Goth, Hardcore, Pop-Punk, Post-Punk and Alternative that's simply labelled "Punk", there's one section for Piano Solos, Operatic Music, Neo-classical orchestral, Neo-Classical Serial, Romantic, Experimental Classical, Quartet, etc. simply labelled "Classical", and one section that's supposed to encompass Black Metal, Death Metal, Hair Metal, Power Metal, Folk-Metal, Pirate Metal, Hard Rock, Classic Metal, Symphonic Metal, Gothic Metal, Glam Metal, British Blues (ie Black Sabbath), etc. (the list is enormous, but there are a few distinct genres, specifically Power Metal, Symphonic Metal, Death metal, and Hard Rock) simply labelled "Heavy Metal". The Electronica genre seems fairly well split up in comparison.

Are you kidding me?

* Ambient
o Ambient house
o Ambient techno
o Dark ambient
o Drone music
o Psybient
o Space music
o Italo house

* Breakbeat
o Baltimore Club
o Big beat
o Broken beat
o Florida breaks
o Hip hop
o Nu skool breaks
o Progressive breaks

* Disco
o Cosmic disco
o Eurobeat
o Eurodance
o Euro disco
o Hi-NRG
o Italo dance
o Italo disco
o Nu-disco
o Spacesynth

* Downtempo
o Acid jazz
o Balearic Beat
o Chill out
o Ethnic electronica
o Glitch
o Illbient
o Minimal Electronica
o New Age music
o Nu jazz
o Trip hop

* Electronic music
o Analogue & digital
o Berlin School
o Electroacoustic

* Electro
o Electro-hop
o Electro backbeat
o Freestyle music
o Techno bass

* Electronica
o Electropop
o Folktronica
o Glitch
o IDM
o Nu Jazz
o Trip hop

* (UK) Garage (UKG)
o 2-step
o 4x4
o Bassline
o Breakstep
o Dubstep
o Funky
o Grime
o Speed garage

* Hardcore/Hard dance
o Bouncy techno
o Breakbeat Hardcore
o Breakcore
o Darkcore
o Digital hardcore
o Doomcore
o Freeform
o Gabber
o Happy hardcore
o Hardstyle
o Jumpstyle
o Makina
o Noisecore
o Speedcore
o Terrorcore
o UK Hardcore

* House
o Acid house
o Bubblegum dance
o Chicago house
o Dark house
o Deep house
o Disco house
o Electro house
o Fidget house
o French house
o Freestyle house
o US garage
o Ghetto house
o Grind house
o Hi-NRG
o UK Hard house
o Hip house
o Italo house
o Kwaito
o Latin house
o Merenhouse
o Minimal house/Microhouse
o Progressive house
o Scouse house
o Electronica
o Skacid
o Tribal house
o Tech house

* Industrial
o Aggrotech
o Ambient industrial
o Cybergrind
o Dark ambient
o Dark electro
o Death industrial
o Electronic body music
o Electro-industrial
o Futurepop
o Industrial DnB
o Industrial metal
o Industrial rock
o Industrial techno
o Japanoise
o Martial industrial
o Neofolk
o Noise
o Power noise

* Jungle/Drum and bass
o Clownstep
o Darkstep
o Drumfunk
o Hardstep
o Intelligent drum and bass
o Jump-Up
o Liquid funk
o Neurofunk
o Raggacore
o Sambass
o Techstep
o Trancestep

* Rock/Punk influenced electronic music
o Alternative dance
o Cyber metal
o Dance-punk
o Dark Wave
o Digital hardcore
o Electroclash
o Electro rock
o Electropunk
o Ethereal Wave
o Industrial rock
o Industrial metal
o New Rave
o New Wave
o Synthpop
o Progressive rock
o Synthpunk
o Ambient rock

* Techno
o Acid techno
o Detroit techno
o Free tekno
o Ghettotech
o Jtek
o Minimal
o New beat
o Nortec
o Schranz
o Wonky techno

* Trance
o Acid trance
o Ambient trance
o Classic trance
o Dream trance
o Euro-trance
o Hard trance
o Hardstyle
o Nu-NRG
o Progressive trance
o Tech trance
o Uplifting trance
o Vocal trance
o Hard Trance

* Psychedelic trance/Goa trance
o Dark psy
o Full on
o Nitzhonot
+ Uplifting
o Psyprog
o Psybient
o Psybreaks
o South African psytrance
o Suomisaundi

* Nu rave
o Hardcore breaks
o Rave breaks
o Jungle techno

* Chiptune
o 8-bit
o Bitpop
o Demoscene music
o Nintendocore
o Picopop
o Game Boy music
o Gamewave

* Oldschool jungle
o Ragga-jungle
o Intelligent jungle
o Darkside jungle

* Other Derivatives
o Europop
o Eurobeat
o Eurodance
o Dance-pop
o Euro-Trance
o Happy Hardcore
o Bubblegum Dance

The above is simply scratching the surface of all of electronic music. And we only have 9 choices.

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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 01:02 PM

LOL!

Nobody in there right mind would have a clue where to put anything. Not even music stores break up music that much,

Yet..you still miss out what were discussing. Film Score music.


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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 01:07 PM

This is absolute nonsensical.
The only thing that defines Film Score-music, is that it was used for a film (or game if you want it to be more appliable to NG). No way should it be a different genre... It is not a genre!
File your music under the genre it belongs to (or the one it is most related to). Whether or not it was/will be used in a film (or game) is of no importance to the musical genre!


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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 02:29 PM

At 5/3/09 01:07 PM, J-qb wrote: File your music under the genre it belongs to (or the one it is most related to). Whether or not it was/will be used in a film (or game) is of no importance to the musical genre!

Amen.

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Response to That seperate Genre - Film Score. May. 3rd, 2009 @ 02:41 PM

We don't need another thread begging for more genres. It happens time and time again, and we always redirect to the Evolution thread. Make sure you read the first post for thread rules and browse through it before you suggest anything so that you're not just being redundant.