Audio Portal Being Ruined (rss,rev)

[F-777]

RSS and Revenue sharing have boosted 0-bombing to something insane.
Im not happy with how the Audio Portal is right this second. Im watching
my friends get bombed badly after they work so hard on a song and for
what? For money/popularity manipulation.

PROBLEMS!!
1. RSS - This makes 0-bombing easier then ever. No longer do you have
to view a persons page you can RSS everyone you think is a threat and
design an auto-script to go with it.
- Iv talked to a lot of my music listeners (the people that wont 0-bomb)
and they don't even know how to work the RSS!! I thought this was cool at first
that an update system happened and it still is cool but its having a horrible
effect on the portal.

2. Revenue Sharing - This gives more reason then ever to manipulate the score
sheets. People want top 5's now not only for Downloads/fans...now its also
for money. This portal is going to go through some major drops because of
these updates. I LOVE THE REVENUE SHARING!!! its a cool idea! But its giving
0-bombers more reason for what they are doing.
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Solution Choices:
1. To vote you must review and your vote ?/5 will also show up on the top of
the review.
- Artists love to bomb others because no one knows that they did it.
- Artists will stop 0-bombing because other people can see what they
doing and they will be risking their entire reputation.

2. After you vote their becomes a "See who voted" button.
- When you click the button it will have a list of users and what they
voted. Example "F-777 (5/5), Kr1z (5/5), Wyldfyre1 (4/5)".
- This way its not as public but you still can't hide who you are.
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The solution isn't to stop "Revenue" and "RSS". The solution is to stop
the 0-bombers from being so safe. "Revenue" and "RSS" are awesome
ideas its just that they open new doors for 0-bombers.
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This isn't a rant its a reality. Is there any way to fix this?

[SupJD]

I think that sounds like a great idea personally.

If everyone who voted had to write a review along side their vote it would make people think about what they're voting and like you said, it would definitely stop people 0 bombing. And if people did 0 bomb and then accompany it with a lame review, they could easily be banned/warned for their behavior.

[popraz]

I totally agree with you F-777, it's an excelent idea and it should be taken seriously.

[cHunter]

I'm all for this. I know my music sucks but I don't think it's *that* bad.

[MH16]

Those are pretty good ideas, but i don't think there will be any changes. NG just doesn't care about the audio portal...

[YouriX]

At 4/29/09 10:20 AM, MH16 wrote: Those are pretty good ideas, but i don't think there will be any changes. NG just doesn't care about the audio portal...

Well we cant say that for sure..
But still! you can see that the Top5 is the worse songs ever!

[F-777]

At 4/29/09 10:20 AM, MH16 wrote: Those are pretty good ideas, but i don't think there will be any changes. NG just doesn't care about the audio portal...

I wouldn't say that NG doesn't care but it is a lot of work to
do these ideas =(.

[MaestroRage]

has been suggested at least 5 times that I can remember. Won't change, F-777 this is the downside of having an initial big fanbase. You will find your songs have no more followers as they find new people to listen to, but the 0 bombers will remember you just fine.

[Quarl]

Hmm, I can't say I've ever had any problems with zero voters past the initial uploading stage but I've been getting some serious zero bombing lately. What type of conniving loser has the kind of free time to zero bomb other people AND make good music?

[la-yinn]

At 4/29/09 11:08 AM, Quarl wrote: Hmm, I can't say I've ever had any problems with zero voters past the initial uploading stage but I've been getting some serious zero bombing lately. What type of conniving loser has the kind of free time to zero bomb other people AND make good music?

The ones that use scripts over night and use their friends to boost their score overday.

[Truemen]

You can NEVER make free money.

always get it the hard way.

[curriemaster]

At 4/29/09 11:55 AM, Truemen wrote: You can NEVER make free money.

always get it the hard way.

Like the lottery, or suing someone for emotional distress.

[itsfoxhall]

I like the suggestions, but really does anyone actually care about the score of the song? I for one don't, would be nice though to get some reviews that aren't just like "ZOMG I luvd tha leVal on sonix"

[Gorgorothx]

What's to stop people from leveling up an alt account (one that doesn't have a reputation) and zero bomb using that? As long as there is a voting system, these injustices will be present. A name-displaying system would probably make it worse because then you would have spiteful doucebags retaliating with zero votes (from an alt), after getting an honest 2/5 or 3/5 from a fellow NG musician.

[AKACCMIOF]

I think every one who reads this is gonna agree: its a great point.

[Erkie]

Zero bombing is purely for the top 5. I can assure you that the score of your song will have little affect on your fanbase, and it should be little affect on your psych as a producer.

The actual RSS revenues so far have been minuscule unless you're one of the few with a frequent and gigantic fanbase from having been used in many successful flashes.

1. To vote you must review and your vote ?/5 will also show up on the top of

the review.

But I particularly like this idea, because the review scoring has no affect on its ranking, it's just novelty.
If the AP is closed system (to get in, you need a mod's authorization, nothing inbetween like the flash portal), the voting system should be too

[Jimbobsthebest]

I'm actually all for anonymous voting. Firstly, I don't want to review every song I want to vote on. I take my reviews seriously and don't want to simply limit my review to 'good song' or 'quite nice' when I feel a song deserves a 3.

If you allow a user to see who voted what it's only going to cause on going bickering and retaliation. People will just make new accounts so that they can 0 bomb everyone else without the risk of their main account being bombed back. Also I don't want to receive messages about 'why I only gave them a 3 when they blatantly deserve a 5.

The whole idea of removing the anonymity just wouldn't work. I do however agree with you that if a solution can be found to prevent needless 0 bombing then it should be put in place. However a system like this probably won't prevent 5 bombing so there really isn't much hope of a fair system.

[LaForge]

At 4/29/09 01:16 PM, Erkie wrote: Zero bombing is purely for the top 5.

False, false fucking false. I was gunna read the rest of your post but this stopped me dead in my eye sockets.

What alternate dimension does your computer exist in where zero bombing doesn't exist for the lower scoring 99% of audio submitters? Did it ever occur to you that zero bombing is the only reason most people don't reach the higher summits of score? My most recent song (link in my sig whore whore) was bombed on it's very first vote, as is par for the course on NG.

So anyway, back to my main point: Zero bombing is notpurely for the top 5.

You probably explained yourself better in the rest of your post, but that phrase irked me.

[Erkie]

At 4/29/09 01:17 PM, Jimbobsthebest wrote: I do however agree with you that if a solution can be found to prevent needless 0 bombing then it should be put in place.

At least that sounded cool.

Maybe zero-wars in the hip hop community, but they deserve it.

Removing the anonymity and requiring a review to vote would technically work out because artists are always reviewing eachother to get a review back. The result is honest reviews and building community between like minded artists.

I'd rather take that idea then allow anyone anywhere to profoundly affect my song.

[Erkie]

At 4/29/09 01:25 PM, Nithalahk wrote:

At 4/29/09 01:16 PM, Erkie wrote: Zero bombing is purely for the top 5.

False, false fucking false. I was gunna read the rest of your post but this stopped me dead in my eye sockets.

Easy tiger.

Did it ever occur to you that zero bombing is the only reason most people don't reach the higher summits of score?

That's the point of zero bombing?

With the current epidemic you're merely lucky to hit the top five. The general public doesn't care the score of your song, the score of your song will not earn you more fans. The content of the song, however, will.

Scores don't matter, so this tirade is pointless.

[Truemen]

SOLUTION!

1. Take off voting system.

2. Only have rankings from the scores of the reviews.

i know, people have said it before but that is a much better solution than just haveing to review after you vote.

[LaForge]

At 4/29/09 01:30 PM, Erkie wrote:

At 4/29/09 01:25 PM, Nithalahk wrote:

At 4/29/09 01:16 PM, Erkie wrote: Zero bombing is purely for the top 5.

False, false fucking false. I was gunna read the rest of your post but this stopped me dead in my eye sockets.

Easy tiger.

Did it ever occur to you that zero bombing is the only reason most people don't reach the higher summits of score?

That's the point of zero bombing?

With the current epidemic you're merely lucky to hit the top five. The general public doesn't care the score of your song, the score of your song will not earn you more fans. The content of the song, however, will.

Scores don't matter, so this tirade is pointless.

The tirade was directed at you, not at the scoring system. You denied that zero-bombing affects anyone who isn't in the top 5. That statement is literally, with years and tears of corroboration, false.

At 4/29/09 01:28 PM, Erkie wrote:

At 4/29/09 01:17 PM, Jimbobsthebest wrote: I do however agree with you that if a solution can be found to prevent needless 0 bombing then it should be put in place.

At least that sounded cool.

Maybe zero-wars in the hip hop community, but they deserve it.

Removing the anonymity and requiring a review to vote would technically work out because artists are always reviewing eachother to get a review back. The result is honest reviews and building community between like minded artists.

I'd rather take that idea then allow anyone anywhere to profoundly affect my song.

That has been suggested and won't work. You'll get 3 word reviews consisting mostly of lol's and wtf's, which will cause the abusive review reporting system to fucking overload.

Mods don't want any more work in the audio portal, ya know.

[nal1200]

At 4/29/09 08:39 AM, F-777 wrote: Stuff

All of those are good ideas, and all have been suggested countless times.

Perhaps apathy is the only solution.

[SBB]

Thank you for making another 0-voting thread with a couple of the obviously flawed ideas that have been suggested over and over and over. I have no idea what makes you believe revenue and RSS increases 0-voting (except "perhaps people might think this and therefore do that, maybe"), but if you can explain that, or come up with anything genuinely new, then post it in the zerovoting/exposure thread.