100 days...

[BrianEtrius]

It's been 100 days in office for Obama. From his stimulus bill to the withdrawal of Iraq; closing of Guantanamo Bay to the release of the torture reports, his accomplishments, while questioned on intent, are not doubted in the overall work he has put in so far. Considering he also has 65% approval rating, highest since Jimmy Carter, things, you might say, are looking up.

What do you think will happen in the next 100? Will Obama continue to impress? Or will he finally stumble? Could he possibly continue to shake the world? How will address other issues? Will his stimulus plan work? Will his loyal base diminish? Why I am asking you all these questions?

Discuss your opinion on Obama's first 100 days, what you think about him so far, and how do you think he will fare in the next 100.

[Gorzahg]

next 100 days there's a good chance that barak could become a rapper.

[ImaSmartass2]

I think people are going to be mad at him pretty soon for failing to prosecute the higher-ups from the bush ages who ran Guantanamo Bay. Not to mention that is illegal for him to do so. Other than that, his performance as president has been satisfactory so far.

[aviewaskewed]

At 4/26/09 10:59 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote: I think people are going to be mad at him pretty soon for failing to prosecute the higher-ups from the bush ages who ran Guantanamo Bay. Not to mention that is illegal for him to do so. Other than that, his performance as president has been satisfactory so far.

Explain to me how it would be illegal for him to do so? I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just curious as to the how of it.

If people get pissed at him for that though then they're forgetting their history, one of the first things any sitting president ever does is to pardon the last guy of any crimes he may have committed while in office. It's one of those less publicized little traditions and when it IS publicized it's kind of done in a way that's very like "haha, it's like when you're uncle harry gets a little tipsy, and backs his car into the trash can. Oh Uncle Harry! You silly!". Of course the only time that was really questioned was when it came to Nixon, but it should ALWAYS be questioned because if we really want the office of the president to have integrity then we shouldn't put the man who holds that office above the law, and that goes for ANY president (this one included).

As far as the first 100 days? Eh, kind of an artificial and crappy benchmark, yeah he's signed a bunch of crap into law, yeah he hasn't pissed anybody off (yet) yeah he's made overtures of a historic nature, but we don't know what most any of these things will result in yet do we? I think we're still kind of in the honeymoon phase with this guy, let's see where we're at one year in before I think we'll really get an idea what this ride is gonna be like.

[morefngdbs]

At 4/27/09 12:31 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: As far as the first 100 days? Eh, kind of an artificial and crappy benchmark, yeah he's signed a bunch of crap into law, yeah he hasn't pissed anybody off (yet) yeah he's made overtures of a historic nature, but we don't know what most any of these things will result in yet do we?.

;;;;;
I'm noticing that no one has mentioned his overture to Cuba.
After all guy's, this mess with Cuba has been going on since late 1959 !?!

He is trying...I don't think to many would disagree with that.
There's no way he or anyone else can right all that's wrong in 100 days or even in 100 more !
( I personally believe he's pissed a lot of bastards, in high places OFF ! )

[Patton3]

I agree that it's been an eventful 100 days, but I'm just afraid that someone is going to try to gauge his presidency when it's only 1/15 of the way done. Or maybe 1/30...

[dudewithashotgun29]

dont remind me...

[Ravariel]

At 4/27/09 05:32 AM, morefngdbs wrote: I'm noticing that no one has mentioned his overture to Cuba.
After all guy's, this mess with Cuba has been going on since late 1959 !?!

Personally, I thought that was one of the best things he's done... especially to mollify others in Central and South America. It's small, and doesn't really effect the greater scheme of embargoes, but instead lets families visit their loved ones, and allows for a slightly increased flow of money to the people of the country. Excellent move, if you ask me. It's a perfect counter-gesture to Raul's easing of the restrictions imposed by his brother. Here's hoping this will lead to greater freedom all around.

I have been impressed so far... but we really do need to see how his policies turn out before we can judge.

[stafffighter]

I agree that this isen't really enough time to see the substance of much but I do like the direction things are going. That's mostly what this benchmark is used for, not so much for difference made thus far but a show of direction.

[BrianEtrius]

At 4/27/09 05:19 PM, dudewithashotgun29 wrote: dont remind me...

Why? What's so bad you can't even talk about it?

Like others, I think it's too early to judge. But if he continues along this path, it might be safe to say another term for Obama.

[Ericho]

I'm looking at the positive side and think that it's going to go fairly well. It's been fine so far, with no major conflicts that this guy's started at least, and while not as important as other things, he has done a lot of things like legalize stem cell research.

[aviewaskewed]

At 4/27/09 07:03 PM, Grammer wrote: As if you could judge long-term economic policies and a stimulus bill that has yet to take effect in the first 100 days of office

Which was pretty much my point. In the end, no matter what else he does, his re-election will most likely be decided on how well the economic policies and stimulus bill works out.

Also to morefn, I was kind of alluding to Cuba when I said something about historic overtures. Certainly you can't say the guy hasn't been busy, he damn sure has, but basically everything he's done so far is in "phase 1" if even that, we can't really know how successful or unsuccessful it's going to be till a little ways down the road here.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Damn Obama for crippleing the space program. Out of the money he got to Science only 1 BIllion trickled down to NASA. I know that sounds like a lot of money, but space travel is not cheap, and other areas in the bill were given an excess of money that is not acceptable. He has limited NASA to unmaned probes only. The probes are nice and all, but the most useful thing they can do for us is the detection of new N.E.O.'s. What we need to be doing is takeing more trips to the Moon and Mars, in addition to seting up a base on the moon akin to the International Space Station. Does no one care that our only area of life is saturated with Nuclear Arms?

[BrianEtrius]

At 4/27/09 10:04 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote: Does no one care that our only area of life is saturated with Nuclear Arms?

I think the reason why he hasn't done much with the space program yet is we've got too many domestic and international problems to begin with. I'm willing to bet the American public would be really ticked off (as if they aren't now) if they found out their money was going to something completely irrelevant with the current lives.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

At 4/27/09 10:18 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

At 4/27/09 10:04 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote: Does no one care that our only area of life is saturated with Nuclear Arms?

I think the reason why he hasn't done much with the space program yet is we've got too many domestic and international problems to begin with. I'm willing to bet the American public would be really ticked off (as if they aren't now) if they found out their money was going to something completely irrelevant with the current lives.

No one has their prioities straight. The human race's continued existance relies on some of us getting off this likely-doomed rock. It is infeasable to get rid of Nuclear Arms entierly now. Also, it is not irrelevant to us now. The IST is the first space staiton with long term habitation. It is not a huge jump to get 5000 people in a self-relieing colony on the moon (5000 is the lowest geneticly stable population number). We are on borrowed time, and sooner or latter our luck will run out.

[LordJaric]

I'm all for space exploration, but we have to much shit to worry about right now.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

At 4/27/09 10:46 PM, LordJaric wrote: I'm all for space exploration, but we have to much shit to worry about right now.

Focusing entierly on said shit procrastinates us closer to Human Extinction. There is nothing more important than avoiding that.

[BrianEtrius]

At 4/27/09 11:02 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote: Focusing entierly on said shit procrastinates us closer to Human Extinction. There is nothing more important than avoiding that.

Okay. Why don't you, by your logic, care more about the foods you eat, global warming, and your Carbon footprint, because those effect human population, plus, you can do something about it.

It's easier to fix something we have (like Earth) then it is to find someone else. Frankly, 5000 people out of 7 billion people isn't a lot, and many won't get into that ship. That's going to piss a lot of people off, especially considering most likely only the elite and powerful people are going to get on the ship. It's not worth it for the American public to put in money to something that won't even affect them.

Furthermore, the likely hood of a nuclear war is very low, considering most of the world who has nuclear weapons know that if one goes off, we're all fucked. So they're all making sure that none will go off, or else they'll be bombed. With the exception of North Korea, everyone has pretty good common sense when it comes to launching nuclear weapons.

[aviewaskewed]

At 4/27/09 11:02 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote: Focusing entierly on said shit procrastinates us closer to Human Extinction. There is nothing more important than avoiding that.

Why do I get the feeling you haven't really thought of, nor have any inkling of the astronomical cost to build, supply, and administrate such a facility(ies)? There's things we can be doing right now to extend the life of the planet and stop our systematic destruction of it while we're still here. My God we can't even keep a GLOBAL society from falling into chaos what with political unrest, racial prejudice, economic strife, and war. You really think we can just easily import whole groups of people off to inhospitable climes that probably have to be terraformed at the LEAST to support us? Seriously dude, you sound like your talking totally out of your ass and you think we have tons of technology we don't have, or by golly with just a little bit more money we'll make that breakthrough any day now.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

At 4/28/09 12:38 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:
Why do I get the feeling you haven't really thought of, nor have any inkling of the astronomical cost to build, supply, and administrate such a facility(ies)?

Of course it is astronomical in cost. But this would be a collabritive effort on an international scale, and while it would take a long time, the sooner we get started, the better.

:There's things we can be doing right now to extend the life of the planet and stop our systematic destruction of it while we're still here.

And we should. But I have to say the future looks grim for Earth.

:My God we can't even keep a GLOBAL society from falling into chaos what with political unrest, racial prejudice, economic strife, and war. You really think we can just easily import whole groups of people off to inhospitable climes that probably have to be terraformed at the LEAST to support us?

Terraforming, while nice and all, would take the downwards of 500 years (per planet, all the more reason to get started now). So in the short term this colony would be in an enclosed enviorment.

:Seriously dude, you sound like your talking totally out of your ass and you think we have tons of technology we don't have, or by golly with just a little bit more money we'll make that breakthrough any day now.

NASA has proven adept at the invention of technology when need be. ( A non-wiki data base from NASA itself)

I'm not saying that it will be easy or quick to accomplish. I am saying it is
necessary to be done ASAP. Space Programs do not work without sufeccent funding, funding that Obama will not give them now, or in the forseeable future.

[BrianEtrius]

At 4/28/09 09:36 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote: Of course it is astronomical in cost. But this would be a collabritive effort on an international scale, and while it would take a long time, the sooner we get started, the better.

If you don't believe we can work together to get rid of nuclear weapons, then how the hell are we going to have a collaborative effort to build a space station?

And we should. But I have to say the future looks grim for Earth.

People have been saying that for a while. As far as I still know, we're all fine.

Terraforming, while nice and all, would take the downwards of 500 years (per planet, all the more reason to get started now). So in the short term this colony would be in an enclosed enviorment.

Again, what makes you think we're all going to work together?

NASA has proven adept at the invention of technology when need be. ( A non-wiki data base from NASA itself)

I'm not saying that it will be easy or quick to accomplish. I am saying it is
necessary to be done ASAP. Space Programs do not work without sufeccent funding, funding that Obama will not give them now, or in the forseeable future.

Well, joke about science, is one day it's your best friend, then next it's your worst enemy. It's constantly changing, so soon it may be irrelevant. Also, again, the likelihood of a nuclear war now is highly unlikely, so I don't see Earth dying within the next 50 years. So let's care about our domestic issues right now, because frankly, I think more people care about their jobs and their lives, and not some dream project from a bunch of NASA scientists.

Your logic is working against you.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

At 4/28/09 09:45 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: If you don't believe we can work together to get rid of nuclear weapons, then how the hell are we going to have a collaborative effort to build a space station?

Already have. Now we just need to make a bigger one.

People have been saying that for a while. As far as I still know, we're all fine.

By sheer luck. Right now Nuclear War=End of Humanity. That needs to change.

Well, joke about science, is one day it's your best friend, then next it's your worst enemy. It's constantly changing, so soon it may be irrelevant. Also, again, the likelihood of a nuclear war now is highly unlikely, so I don't see Earth dying within the next 50 years.

Nuclear War unlikely? You must be jokeing. Under the master brinksmanship of the U.S. and Soviet Union, Nuclear War was unlikely then. Now Nuclear Arms are starting to trikle down into the hands of lunatic warlords and dictators. They won't have any qualms about it, they will just launch it off at whoever they hate most without warning. Then a chain reaction will start, and then we are screwed.

:So let's care about our domestic issues right now, because frankly, I think more people care about their jobs and their lives, and not some dream project from a bunch of NASA scientists.

People are retarded . They need guidence because most people don't think in the big picture. That is how we got in these fucking problems in the first place!
"We need to focus on domestic problems now, the fact that oil will eventualy run out isn't a big problem"- People 50 Years Ago

Except now instead of oil it is time we will be running out of a decade or two from now. If we had thought ahead before and prepared to put Alternative-Fueled Cars on the market then, oil wouldn't be a problem now! This is the same concept.

[aviewaskewed]

At 4/28/09 09:36 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote: Of course it is astronomical in cost. But this would be a collabritive effort on an international scale, and while it would take a long time, the sooner we get started, the better.

Oh, INTERNATIONAL. Well yeah, cause the nations of the world are just so willing to work together for the improvement of all. Seriously? Come on....

And we should. But I have to say the future looks grim for Earth.

Based on all that impeccable evidence you supplied earlier, mmm hmmm.

Terraforming, while nice and all, would take the downwards of 500 years (per planet, all the more reason to get started now). So in the short term this colony would be in an enclosed enviorment.

Which is problematical because if something goes catastrophically wrong with it and it can't be repaired everyone in it is fucked.

NASA has proven adept at the invention of technology when need be. ( A non-wiki data base from NASA itself)

Oh yes, cause NASA has been so smart about using cutting edge technology that never fucks up, never kills anyone in the last couple of years, never pollutes the rest of the universe with space junk that may come back and kill people should it fall out of orbit, and always has the most well balanced and qualified individuals as astronauts.

I'm not saying that it will be easy or quick to accomplish. I am saying it is
necessary to be done ASAP. Space Programs do not work without sufeccent funding, funding that Obama will not give them now, or in the forseeable future.

Funding that most presidents haven't given them because golly gee, we only had a space program in the first place as another way to compete with Russia. Again, you've done nothing to back up the idea that this funding is absolutely necessary and paramount, you also don't seem to be thinking through all the potential problems and issues here. The earth has been around for billions of years getting basically fucked hard by it's own environment, and the universe around it, yet in 10,000 years humanity has introduced elements and things to it that are killing it off surerer then any of that, or at the least making it inhospitable for us. If we simply move somewhere else will just make that place a hell hole too, we have to learn better behaviors and try to fix the problems we have now so if we ever do need to go off world we don't repeat the same mistakes.

[Slick-Rob]

At 4/26/09 10:53 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: It's been 100 days in office for Obama. From his stimulus bill to the withdrawal of Iraq; closing of Guantanamo Bay to the release of the torture reports, his accomplishments, while questioned on intent, are not doubted in the overall work he has put in so far.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What kind of "accomplishment" is the stimulus bill? Taking the thinly-spread tax payer's money and throwing it all around like the amount is not a problem is just plain retarded. If this trend continues, the compounded interest on this "stimulus" has been estimated to rise to over 80 billion in the next 10 years. As for the torture reports, the copy that was given to the media edited out the parts that talked about how effective the interrogation tactics were in giving us important information.

:Considering he also has 65% approval rating, highest since Jimmy Carter, things, you might say, are looking up.

Do you even know how much of a flop Jimmy Carter was as President? I have three words for you:
Operation Eagle Claw.

What do you think will happen in the next 100? Will Obama continue to impress? Or will he finally stumble?

He's already stumbled. People are just loath to admit it. All of his meetings and exchanges with foreign rulers have been absolutely shameful. I'm not even going to mention the embarrassing gifts to England, but I will mention that Obama bowed to Saudi King Abdullah! Like we needed to show any more signs of fealty to Saudi Arabia!

:Could he possibly continue to shake the world? How will address other issues? Will his stimulus plan work? Will his loyal base diminish? Why I am asking you all these questions?

To answer your questions: Yes, but I fear it will continue down this horrid track it's already on. Then no, and unfortunately, no (and anyone who goes against him will be called racist).

[aviewaskewed]

At 4/29/09 02:35 AM, Slick-Rob wrote: As for the torture reports, the copy that was given to the media edited out the parts that talked about how effective the interrogation tactics were in giving us important information.

Oh show evidence or get out on that one. Common sense should tell you torture doesn't work. American torture victims tell you it doesn't work. All torture accomplishes is it gets the victim to simply tell you whatever information they think you want to hear. Even if they don't know anything about anything, they'll say whatever they think makes the torture stop.

He's already stumbled. People are just loath to admit it. All of his meetings and exchanges with foreign rulers have been absolutely shameful.

Oh really? Cause gee, some of them seemed to have been pretty productive in terms of rehabbing the idea of America as a cooperative international partner.

I'm not even going to mention the embarrassing gifts to England,

Yes, please don't, we already had a thread about that where everybody with half a brain and basic abilities in research and reading comprehension proved that was way overblown by the right.

but I will mention that Obama bowed to Saudi King Abdullah! Like we needed to show any more signs of fealty to Saudi Arabia!

How deep was the bow? There's a difference between a respectful bow to a foreign monarch and showing fealty. This stupid idea people like you seem to have that everybody needs to respect America and it's customs but we'll be damned if we respect theirs really needs to go.

To answer your questions: Yes, but I fear it will continue down this horrid track it's already on. Then no, and unfortunately, no (and anyone who goes against him will be called racist).

Only by people who can't find better ways to prove his mistakes are something other then mistakes...hey, kind of like yourself!!

[BrianEtrius]

Well, he gave his speech, which, for the most part, was predictable.

What did the rest of you guys think?