Christians- No Free Will?

[DM692]

Coming from a somewhat God-Believing perspective, it seems a little awkward that Christians always say that God gave humans free will because he didn't want to control our lives.

The thing is, Christians also say that God knows everything that happens, past, present, and future. That's the thing. He knows our future.

How can we have free will AND do whatever we want during our lives? It doesn't add up. If we really did have free will, God wouldn't know what wouldn't be able to know what would happen every millisecond of our lives.

An easier way of saying it is that somehow, we can do whatever we want, but it's already layed out for us, and we can't stray from it. God knows exactly what will happen tomorrow, but somehow, I can choose what happens.

Can anyone with a stronger belief of God clear this up? Otherwise, discuss.

Mindfuck post.

[yurgenburgen]

At 4/26/09 03:30 PM, DM692 wrote: Can anyone with a stronger belief of God clear this up?

No, they can't. It'll be a long time before they get their act together.

[Silent-G]

he can only see his own future.

[StationToStation]

At 4/26/09 03:30 PM, DM692 wrote: How can we have free will AND do whatever we want during our lives? It doesn't add up. If we really did have free will, God wouldn't know what wouldn't be able to know what would happen every millisecond of our lives.

Where, in The Bible does it say you have freewill? Where, in The Holy Bible, does it call God omnipotent? If you've read it, Yahweh/God/Allah/Jehovah/The Demiurge/whatever you want to call it, isn't omnipotent, but closer to being a deity. Well, in the sense you talk off.

If we are talking Gnostic Christianity, then God didn't create the world, the Demiurge did and God is certainly almighty, but he didn't make the world, otherwise, please bin your notion of "God" as omnipotent.

[DM692]

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I seem to have broken everyone's brain.

[X-Gary-Gigax-X]

"Free will" is how people make it through the day, how they can still believe in a God while witnessing all of the bad things that happen on this Earth. It's how the far-fetched becomes near-fetched.

[1Tyla1]

I honestly find these "holier-than-thou" Christians stupid. They say God is kind, yet he gives people a choice, abbide his rules and live happily through eternity... or be different and suffer for all eternity. It's more like God in their eyes wants to put people through pain for his enjoyment instead. Does this make God a sinner too or is he allowed to because he layed down the rules and the groundwork? I will never understand these types of people.

[Ultor]

You should be asking someone at your church this question not the BBS as usually its 99.9 percent atheist.

[Lost-Chances]

At 4/26/09 03:38 PM, DM692 wrote: I seem to have broken everyone's brain.

Not really. Religious questions are just retarded due to the amount of atheists and non-Christians about.

[Fox]

God can know the future and allow free will at the same time. We as humans are free to do whatever we want, but god will know what that will be.

If god controls our lives, why is there evil in the world? The fact alone that humans can do evil reinforces my belief that god doesn't control our lives. He sees the bad that will be done, but does not intervene.

[BHBK]

silly guy, christians say god gave us free will so he can see what we are going to do, if we are going to be obidient and follow him, or are we going to be neglegant and do whatever we want!!! the choice is ours if i wanted to i could steal some guns and shoot up my neighbor hood while raping someones gf.....but i kinda choose not 2 because(mostly) im lazy!!!!! God doesnt control us, we just believe he knows what decisions we are going to make and what is our fate!!! Y?? because we believe god is omipotent, i hope this answers ur question and if u have anymore, write it on my account news post and ill answer them 4 u!!

[maskedone2]

At 4/26/09 03:45 PM, Ultor wrote: You should be asking someone at your church this question not the BBS as usually its 99.9 percent atheist.

this is true, i am part of the minority. and i dont see anywhere were it says he knows the future.
if you argument is correct, why is he letting anyone hear your thread?

[lillefyr]

even tough GOD knows everything he doesnt need to do anything about...

am i right?

[DM692]

At 4/26/09 03:47 PM, maskedone2 wrote: this is true, i am part of the minority. and i dont see anywhere were it says he knows the future.
if you argument is correct, why is he letting anyone hear your thread?

Nowhere did I say that he only let people see things he wanted them to see, I only said he knows what's going to happen.

[BHBK]

At 4/26/09 03:37 PM, StationToStation wrote:

At 4/26/09 03:30 PM, DM692 wrote:

:: Where, in The Bible does it say you have freewill? Where, in The Holy Bible, does it call God omnipotent? If you've read it, Yahweh/God/Allah/Jehovah/The Demiurge/whatever you want to call it, isn't omnipotent, but closer to being a deity. Well, in the sense you talk off

ummmm.......you are aware that most of these events took place over 2000 years ago and was first written in stone.........and stone is erodable....

[andhination]

God doesn't see into the future. He just knows you so well he can already tell what you'll do.

[DM692]

At 4/26/09 03:50 PM, andhination wrote: God doesn't see into the future. He just knows you so well he can already tell what you'll do.

Hmmm... I'm torn between taking this seriously and taking it as a joke. He's been with you your whole life, so he knows everything about you. Honestly, that gave me a lot to think about.

[Ericho]

The thing is, we don't know what God knows. God knows, but we don't and we're not supposed to. We do have free will, we'll just never know exactly what we're going to do.

[StationToStation]

At 4/26/09 03:39 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote: "Free will" is how people make it through the day, how they can still believe in a God while witnessing all of the bad things that happen on this Earth. It's how the far-fetched becomes near-fetched.

Meh, plenty of religions show "God" or deities acting with malice.

[Brass]

Hmm.

Basically, you can make your own choices however you want, but God already knows what you'll do. You're in control, God just knows what YOU are going to decide to do.

You bomb a school, that's not predestined but God knows that you're going to do it.

[Brick-top]

Biblical prophecies also contradict the free will concept.

[joabos]

I maed a drawing 2 halp explain

[DM692]

At 4/26/09 05:37 PM, joabos wrote: I maed a drawing 2 halp explain

Hmmm... I'm pretty sure I understood that.

[DM692]

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A 10% reply rate. How depressing.

[Atgod88]

The more religious they are the less free they are because their beliefs control their lives, the more they ignore IE less religious, the more free they are.

At 4/26/09 03:32 PM, yurgenburgen wrote: No, they can't. It'll be a long time before they get their act together.

E-five.

[StationToStation]

At 4/26/09 07:39 PM, DM692 wrote: (226 views * 22 replies)

A 10% reply rate. How depressing.

A smidge over 10%, but that is a very good reply rate for NG BBS. At least, it was in my day.

[Michaelas10]

We live in a deterministic world. Who cares.

[DocSprite]

It's difficult to explain. Even though we have free will, God knows how we'll use it. It sounds like a paradox, I know. But think about it.

[StationToStation]

At 4/26/09 07:43 PM, Michaelas10 wrote: We live in a deterministic world. Who cares.

Screw you, we live in a Fatalistic world!

[Michaelas10]

At 4/26/09 07:43 PM, DocSprite wrote: It's difficult to explain. Even though we have free will, God knows how we'll use it. It sounds like a paradox, I know. But think about it.

What? So you're saying we don't actually have free will, but the illusion of free will.