Sfx - Section/portal Needed

[joeymofo]

Hi everyone,

I have an interesting suggestion. What is the 2nd most important thing to every animation? Audio. Is there ANYWHERE on this site that provides sound effect information ? For instance, you can upload a 'voice reel'. I see no option to upload a 'SFX Reel'. Every animation (ok, 99%) needs sound effects. I'm interested to hear from animators too, do you usually do all SFX yourself and not worry about the quality?

I am a budding audio engineer looking for work, and I believe that SFX are very important to every animation, just like voice overs, they help create the mood and gives the scenery better character. I would love to see at least a genre classed as 'SFX' for anyone like me who wants to upload their skills and not have to put it in some odd genre. Or possible even have a section on every Flash submission so that you can list who did the sound effects. It would also provide much more quality information to anyone else wanting to get into this line of work, as we would discuss more things like resources, how to create certain sounds, equipment, etc etc.

Overall I believe this would improve the audio portal greatly, or possibly provide enough content for another section.

Let me know what you guys think!

Cheers,
Joey

[loansindi]

1) This is definitely at the bottom of a long list of improvements the portal needs.

2) The portal isn't set up for sound effects. The current organization is this: Genre > Track.

Sound effects need to be organized more like this:

Broad Category (Such as weather) > Specific Category (Such as thunderstorms > Individual FX.

If we just added an SFX category to the portal it would be a -bitch- to really effectively find anything.

[joeymofo]

If we just added an SFX category to the portal it would be a -bitch- to really effectively find anything.

I don't understand what you mean. You would find sfx all over the SFX category. And you would still find music in the other categories. What would you have a problem finding if there was a seperate SFX category?!

[sorohanro]

There are lots of sites with sound effects.
soundsnap was probably the most important, with best quality sounds and a search engine very effective. It was free but now turned commercial.
Still, if you register you get 5 sounds a month.

There is another archive of sound effects, WAV SOUND FILES (Complete Archive) and if you Google on "wav sound effects free download" you get something like this.
Also a source can be Free Sounds.

I don't think there is a point of transforming Newgrounds in a place where you can download "boing-boing", "blip-blip" and "chhhrriiing" sounds kind of stuff.

[joeymofo]

Sorry for double post but you also seem to miss the point, the category would be there for anyone who makes SFX, and anyone who NEEDS SFX. I'm assuming you wouldn't fit into either categories as you only make songs.

[joeymofo]

I don't understand why no flash animators would like to have their own original sounds for their animations? Rather than using free SFX that have been used in countless other pieces of media. I guess it's just me. And again, do you not class audio in flash animations as "important"? Or just voiceovers?

At 4/23/09 05:50 AM, sorohanro wrote: There are lots of sites with sound effects.
soundsnap was probably the most important, with best quality sounds and a search engine very effective. It was free but now turned commercial.
Still, if you register you get 5 sounds a month.

There is another archive of sound effects, WAV SOUND FILES (Complete Archive) and if you Google on "wav sound effects free download" you get something like this.
Also a source can be Free Sounds.

I don't think there is a point of transforming Newgrounds in a place where you can download "boing-boing", "blip-blip" and "chhhrriiing" sounds kind of stuff.

[loansindi]

At 4/23/09 05:50 AM, joeymofo wrote: I don't understand what you mean. You would find sfx all over the SFX category. And you would still find music in the other categories. What would you have a problem finding if there was a seperate SFX category?!

It's a matter of organization. It's a bitch to sift through page after page of random SFX (because god knows how well people will title their files) looking for, say, thunder, because there's no 'weather' category because the AP isn't designed for nested genres.

And why should we strive to make newgrounds into an SFX site when so many already exist? There are more than a few you can submit content to.

do you not class audio in flash animations as "important"? Or just voiceovers?

No. I just don't think this is the venue to try and collect sound effects. Because how many people have the equipment to really produce high quality SFX? I think I could do it, because I'm a musician and already have decent recording gear. How many flash animators can say the same, compared to how many audio artists?

I guess the point is... what's the point? There's a lot of resources out there already. With as little traffic as the AP gets, I don't know that you'd see a lot of benefit from trying to add this section.

[sorohanro]

As I personally see it, voice acting as is now here is 90% crap, unprofessional, full of recordings from cheap Chinese headphones, full of pop's and click's and hiss and clipping.

Imagine what disaster would you have if you'll make a FX section.

I know, you study recording techniques and have access to good equipment and want to try stuff and share, but the rest of NG users are not having recording techniques access to good equipment but they will upload much more than you can imagine.

And now, sincerely, how original can be a door slam or car passing ?
Anyway, if some Flash artist want sound FX, is usually asking on this forum and get helped.

[DarKsidE555]

At 4/23/09 05:33 AM, joeymofo wrote: Hi everyone,

I have an interesting suggestion. What is the 2nd most important thing to every animation? Audio. Is there ANYWHERE on this site that provides sound effect information ? For instance, you can upload a 'voice reel'. I see no option to upload a 'SFX Reel'. Every animation (ok, 99%) needs sound effects.

Well...audio is audio...and sfx are no difference there. In theory, you can upload an audio file with sfx that you created.

On the other hand, how to prove that those uploaded sfx belong to you? SFX are usually short on the contrary to songs or voice reels. You can prove that a song or a voice reel is stolen but sfx? Hard...very hard. As mentioned before, it's true that sfx are needed in flash animations but are they needed on newgrounds? In my honest opinion, no.

Why? Because there are a lot of good and free sfx sites on the web already.

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/2547 61

Furthermore, the Audio portal is still in it's baby shoes, seeing that it's still meant to SUPPORT the flash portal.

I know that it may very well be convinient to get both things music and sfx here on newgrounds but I don't think an sfx section would work out. There are other more important things which are in a need to change and we can't say when that will happen.

Your suggestion is welcome though, just put it in the following thread and hope that the staff feels the same way about the issue as you do.

Newgrounds Evolution MK II

There was another one for audio portal changes specificly but I forgot to bookmark it. :C Maybe Rucklo or SBB? can provide a link to that one as well.

[joeymofo]

At 4/23/09 06:05 AM, sorohanro wrote: As I personally see it, voice acting as is now here is 90% crap, unprofessional, full of recordings from cheap Chinese headphones, full of pop's and click's and hiss and clipping.

Thats the whole point of what i meant. Anyone who uploads shit like that will get voted down instantly. Anyone who uploads perfectly well recorded sounds will be voted up. It would sift through the shit and collect all the quality. (ofcourse nothing is perfect, just look at the top 10 flash submissions)

Imagine what disaster would you have if you'll make a FX section.

I know, you study recording techniques and have access to good equipment and want to try stuff and share, but the rest of NG users are not having recording techniques access to good equipment but they will upload much more than you can imagine.

And now, sincerely, how original can be a door slam or car passing ?

A door slam or car passing can be unimaginably original. For example, there are over 100,000 vehicle engines in the world. Heck, probably over 1,000,000. No offence, but what makes a good quality piece of work? Every single attention to detail being original. You are a musician, and a fairly good one at that. You must understand how you can get 5 amazing musicians, and a really shit band if they make a few mistakes. Now you get an average band playing every note perfectly, and every beat in time, they will sound far better.

Anyway, if some Flash artist want sound FX, is usually asking on this forum and get helped.

I've not been here long, but i've never seen any flash artist wanting sound effects, without me getting involved in somethign first, which is fine, but never seen a post on here asking for a whole set of sounds/voices and a mix.

Thanks for the interest!

[joeymofo]

Well...audio is audio...and sfx are no difference there. In theory, you can upload an audio file with sfx that you created.

I can, but theres not even a category to put it in. Is it a Voice Reel ? Only if it has voices in it.
There could simply be a 'SFX' genre, allowing people to upload groups of sound effects on one track. Bringing me to your next point...

On the other hand, how to prove that those uploaded sfx belong to you? SFX are usually short on the contrary to songs or voice reels. You can prove that a song or a voice reel is stolen but sfx?

It's so simple. Why would anyone want to pretend they made some SFX ? When you go about making SFX, there are many things that happen. For instance you would usually be able to make 10 or more of the SAME effect, but each would have its own tone and timbre, from being a different recording. It is true that it would be hard, but i personally dont think anyone would bother uploading SFX that aren't their own.

:Hard...very hard. As mentioned before, it's true that sfx are needed in flash animations but are they :needed on newgrounds? In my honest opinion, no.

So what is newgrounds about? I just wonder why there is no mention or need for original sounds, everyone must just use the cheap websites that are about and probably reusing the same effects many times on this site. To me, that is like using the same riff in two songs.

Just a quick question, am i the only audio engineer to ever ask these kind of questions on here?
I am quite amazed there isn't more interest in having original audio.

Why? Because there are a lot of good and free sfx sites on the web already.

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/2547 61

Furthermore, the Audio portal is still in it's baby shoes, seeing that it's still meant to SUPPORT the flash portal.

That, i did not know. I assumed the audio portal had been around as long as the flash portal as they go hand in hand.

I know that it may very well be convinient to get both things music and sfx here on newgrounds but I don't think an sfx section would work out. There are other more important things which are in a need to change and we can't say when that will happen.

Your suggestion is welcome though, just put it in the following thread and hope that the staff feels the same way about the issue as you do.

Newgrounds Evolution MK II

Thanks for linking me to a closed thread.

There was another one for audio portal changes specificly but I forgot to bookmark it. :C Maybe Rucklo or SBB? can provide a link to that one as well.

Would be nice mate :)

[loansindi]

I think you're assuming way more professionalism on the part of flash artists than there generally is. Most people who submit flash are just fuckin around. They're not concerned about creating a whole, immersive world of sound. They just need a couple of sound effects. There's plenty of requests for those. I promise.

[joeymofo]

At 4/23/09 06:41 AM, loansindi wrote: I think you're assuming way more professionalism on the part of flash artists than there generally is. Most people who submit flash are just fuckin around. They're not concerned about creating a whole, immersive world of sound. They just need a couple of sound effects. There's plenty of requests for those. I promise.

Ah. It's just that the people i've worked with so far on here have been pretty damn professional.

[loansindi]

At 4/23/09 06:44 AM, joeymofo wrote: Ah. It's just that the people i've worked with so far on here have been pretty damn professional.

Clearly you haven't spent much time looking at the flash portal.

Or the general forum. *Shudder*

[joeymofo]

At 4/23/09 06:56 AM, loansindi wrote:

At 4/23/09 06:44 AM, joeymofo wrote: Ah. It's just that the people i've worked with so far on here have been pretty damn professional.

Clearly you haven't spent much time looking at the flash portal.

Or the general forum. *Shudder*

Nope, i've only spent time on looking at QUALITY submissions on the flash portal, that will actually benefit from having better sound effects ;) Never been on the general forum. I imagine its retardville.

[DarKsidE555]

At 4/23/09 06:40 AM, joeymofo wrote:
I can, but theres not even a category to put it in. Is it a Voice Reel ? Only if it has voices in it.
There could simply be a 'SFX' genre, allowing people to upload groups of sound effects on one track.

Well, so far...at least as I know, it's not going to happen. :/

Furthermore, how many artist will be there truly creating original SFX? I doubt much.

It's so simple. Why would anyone want to pretend they made some SFX ? ...It is true that it would be hard, but i personally dont think anyone would bother uploading SFX that aren't their own.

LOOL seriously? xD I mean, you don't see/hear what I do every day on here so I don't blame you for that argument. :) I could ask the same question...Like, why would people try to upload songs that aren't theirs? Because the internet is like that.

And seeing that mostly "youngsters or teenagers" browse this site, things like that WILL happen. Simply because they don't care about "rules". So you see, it's not "that" simple.

So what is newgrounds about? I just wonder why there is no mention or need for original sounds, everyone must just use the cheap websites that are about and probably reusing the same effects many times on this site. To me, that is like using the same riff in two songs.

True, but as already mentioned before, are there really a lot of artists, willing to create "original" sfx?

Just a quick question, am i the only audio engineer to ever ask these kind of questions on here?
I am quite amazed there isn't more interest in having original audio.

Seems like that. It's the only thread I've seen so far for it.

That, i did not know. I assumed the audio portal had been around as long as the flash portal as they go hand in hand.

Nope. Though, they are slowly on it merging the two portals together.

Thanks for linking me to a closed thread.

Oh shi...my bad, sorry. lol. I thought it was still open. :/

[joeymofo]

Hehe, ok, it's all good man. I just needed to talk to some forum regulars to get to understand quite what newgrounds is like. Saying that about the teenagers and rule breakers is a real shame, as there are many professional-standard artists on here, that probably deserve a lot more credit then they get.

It's so simple. Why would anyone want to pretend they made some SFX ? ...It is true that it would be hard, but i personally dont think anyone would bother uploading SFX that aren't their own.

LOOL seriously? xD I mean, you don't see/hear what I do every day on here so I don't blame you for that argument. :) I could ask the same question...Like, why would people try to upload songs that aren't theirs? Because the internet is like that.

And seeing that mostly "youngsters or teenagers" browse this site, things like that WILL happen. Simply because they don't care about "rules". So you see, it's not "that" simple.

So what is newgrounds about? I just wonder why there is no mention or need for original sounds, everyone must just use the cheap websites that are about and probably reusing the same effects many times on this site. To me, that is like using the same riff in two songs.

True, but as already mentioned before, are there really a lot of artists, willing to create "original" sfx?

Just a quick question, am i the only audio engineer to ever ask these kind of questions on here?
I am quite amazed there isn't more interest in having original audio.

Seems like that. It's the only thread I've seen so far for it.

That, i did not know. I assumed the audio portal had been around as long as the flash portal as they go hand in hand.

Nope. Though, they are slowly on it merging the two portals together.

Thanks for linking me to a closed thread.

Oh shi...my bad, sorry. lol. I thought it was still open. :/

[sorohanro]

At 4/23/09 06:44 AM, joeymofo wrote: Anyone who uploads shit like that will get voted down instantly. Anyone who uploads perfectly well recorded sounds will be voted up.

Oh, that's a good one... You know the law of physics when comes to NG voting.
So, according to reality, good stuff get 0-bombed to death and when a 13 old kid make a techno loop, he is voting 5 himself from school computers from his 25~83 alt accounts (different IP's).
What makes you think that on FX category things will be different ?

Why would anyone want to pretend they made some SFX ?

For the same reason kids upload Linkin' Park or some other bands and pretend that is their music.
Stupidity have infinite forms.

As a solution, you can upload your FX packs on Mediafire like I did and write on forum a info file about:
"zip contains 5 wav's of kitchen door slammed each one recorded with different microphone: Neuman, Rode, Neuman, T-Bone and Behringer, 3 bathroom door slams with close mic (dynamic) and condenser room mic to catch the nice natural reverb of my bathroom"
i'm joking

Never been on the general forum. I imagine its retardville.

The pain, the horror... it's the most retarded place on Earth, so retarded that hurts to remember it's existence.

[loansindi]

At 4/23/09 07:34 AM, sorohanro wrote:

Never been on the general forum. I imagine its retardville.

The pain, the horror... it's the most retarded place on Earth, so retarded that hurts to remember it's existence.

I think I've ventured there twice since I became active on the forums.

My eyes still bleed sometimes.

[gregaaron89]

If there was, i think it should be COMPLETELY separate from the Audio Portal. As a matter of fact I think Voice Acting should be separate anyway...

[Envy]

I think it wont work because of what loan... something (Sorry i never paid attention to how to spell it) originally said.

There's just no way to organize it all without needing like 200 sub-genres. Now The last guy said it should be separate, I think that would be cool but still I'm not sure how one would navigate this. When looking for sound effects you usually have something in mind. Going to the audio portal and looking for 2 hours page after page looking for a pin dropping through countless thunderstorms and clapping would get rather annoying. If any flash artists NEED sound effects (which is unlikely because there are already tons of free SFX sites) then they'll request something. I've seen it, most regulars here have seen it and the people were either given advice to how to make it themselves, or it was delivered.

Too much work would be involed :*(

Sorry brah

[S3C]

At 4/23/09 07:34 AM, sorohanro wrote: Stupidity have infinite forms.

Bad grammar is one of them.