Who In The World Can Beat The U.s.?

[Stoicish]

I've grown weary of the stupid nationalistic discussion detailing who would win in a fight if their country were pitted against the United States. Then someone says, "Nuh uh!" and then they just fight about which country is greater.

Personally being in the military I get a first hand look on how the U.S. trains and have read a plenty about how basically this country is damn parinoid about anything hitting it. This country will flip shit if a small cessna plane doesn't check in. So it comes as a shock that people think in a conventional war their country can beat essentially the strongest military force in the world.

So in this fun series I'm going to try to cover pretty much every fun loving nation out there who thinks the US is the devil and pit them together in a battle with one another. It's going to be very detailed including home turf battle's. I'm going to ignore the politics and how the unlikly situation may happen. Just pure and simple war stats people. Also, no nukes.

The United States of America Stats
Military includes:
US Army
US Navy
US Air Force
US Marine Corps
US Coast Guard

People, this military is massive. With over $711 billion a year in funding they have it all.
Over 1,454,515 active duty and 848,000 reserve units. This country, in terms of manpower, is the second largest military power in the world.

There are 280 ships in the Navy and over 3,700 aircrafts in the Navy as well. This country dominates in high tech naval eqipment and power. Including one of the most elite fighting forces known at the Navy SEALs.

The US also has vast air superiority with the dawning of the F-22 Raptor which is a beast. They have 135 of these planes and the airforce having a total of 2,402 fighter planes.

Tanks? You want tanks? Oh baby does this country have tanks. They have over 9,000 M1Abrams in service most of which have been beast's in current wartime. These baby's are hard to kill and kill hard. They have also been surprisingly reseliant against roadside bombs in Iraq.

Coupled with hard training and a rigirous military who is constantly evolving and you have the deadliest force in the known world.

AND the US barely uses a quarter of its forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Use the above stats as further refrence to any fictional battle I put up.

FIRST BATTLE: The US vs. CANADA

US pros:
-Better military
-Close proximity to the country
US cons:
-Have to withstand cold temperatures
-Close proximity to Canada is also a con
-Shared information with the country via
NORAD could cause some serious problems

Canada Stats
Canada has a combined force known Canadian Forces which consist of pretty much everything you want in a military. MARCOM, LFC, and AIRCOM all rolled into a nice strategic package. However, with this strategic and cost efficiant command it seemed to come at a price of shear numbers.

Canada has only 65, 251 active duty military in its command and only 34,678 Reserve Forces including the Canadian Rangers. This doesn't even scratch the surface of US military might. Their Navy has a sad 36 ships and submarines.

Their Air Force here is small and they have pretty much a stock list of everything they have on Wikipedia.

While Canada has an advantage of extreme cold temperatures in the Winter. The fact that their capital is so close to US boarders doesn't help them. In terms of an all out war my prediction is that it would take a month, maybe less, before the US can take control of the capital. The entire country is problimatic, but the military would be wiped out in no time flat.

Join me next time when the United States takes on Israel!

[svenisgod]

the united states' stupidity will destroy it from the inside out.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

you forgot the US SPECIAL FORCES (SEALS RANGERS and DELTA FORCE) Not to mention America has nukes.

[Stoicish]

I mentioned them and I also said to ignore nukes.

[Wormofsand]

At 4/22/09 09:37 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: you forgot the US SPECIAL FORCES (SEALS RANGERS and DELTA FORCE) Not to mention America has nukes.

Actually he did mention that there would be no nukes used in these mock battles. Oh and I'm quite sure that Canada has nukes as well.

[dudewithashotgun29]

At 4/22/09 09:30 PM, svenisgod wrote: the united states' stupidity will destroy it from the inside out.

you are partly correct. Some of the stuff they do is stupid, especially with obama in the hot seat. He isn't making any deals about a potential missile test from N. Korea, and he doesnt seem to care much about a iranian prime minister who denies the holocaust, and wants too wipe israel off the face of the earth. But, we still have a large army, and although because of the Pres. stupidity, we may not be the ones attacking first, but who ever challenges us is going to regret it.

Anyway, I think the U.S. Military is supreme, and not because of Nationalisim. Because We have about 1 in every 150 americans either on active duty or in the reserves. We have Hundreds of billions of dollars in budget, and we are working on a way to link all the soldiers to one another, along with tanks, artillery, and command, along with UAV's and small robots to look into buildings for threats, which, when completed, will have a great effect on our effectiveness, and less soldiers being injured or killed. We also have A huge-ass nuclear arsenal, and unlike the russians, we aren't "Missing" Half of it. Overall, if you think that your country can take on ours, just launch a couple missiles at us, and we'll launch back a couple thousands.

[dudewithashotgun29]

At 4/22/09 09:52 PM, KemCab wrote: ...what is the point? Canada AND Israel are two of America's best allies, and both of them have populations at least 10 times smaller than our own. And Canada would not last more than three days in any case.

The point is only a theoretical thing, since I personlly read a bunch of comments on You tube and stuff about how better canada is, but Israel I dont know, but It is only analizing it, just for fun, and to see what you have to say about it.

[poxpower]

XXXth Battle: The USA vs The Empire

Stats:
US: Stuff

The Empire:
- Death Star
- AT-ATs
- LAZORS
- Darth Vader
- Couple thousand star destroyers

Winner: The Empire

[dudewithashotgun29]

At 4/22/09 09:56 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: US VS IRAN would be interesting. of course we would defeat them easy unless Russia came in and helped Iran.

then we could get backing from other allies, so then the russians will get theirs, and then what do you know? Another World War, YAY! I honestly dont think we would invade Iran, even if they made nukes and attaked israel, because of this "Regime" of Obama.

[dudewithashotgun29]

At 4/22/09 10:12 PM, poxpower wrote: XXXth Battle: The USA vs The Empire

Stats:
US: Stuff

The Empire:
- Death Star
- AT-ATs
- LAZORS
- Darth Vader
- Couple thousand star destroyers

Winner: The Empire

But you forgot that we just need a space ship to fire a missile into a hole, and the death star goes BOOM!

[Musician]

My dad could beat up your dad.

[poxpower]

At 4/22/09 10:16 PM, dudewithashotgun29 wrote:

But you forgot that we just need a space ship to fire a missile into a hole, and the death star goes BOOM!

Which spaceship is that again?

[thedo12]

my cock is bigger then your cock

[Wormofsand]

At 4/22/09 10:20 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 4/22/09 10:16 PM, dudewithashotgun29 wrote:

But you forgot that we just need a space ship to fire a missile into a hole, and the death star goes BOOM!

Which spaceship is that again?

I'm thinking the space shuttle, wait we could use the Apollo Capsule!!! Not the rocket and booster, just the capsule. Yes, this plan is full proof!

[thedo12]

At 4/22/09 10:35 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

At 4/22/09 10:32 PM, thedo12 wrote: my cock is bigger then your cock

lets keep It PG-13 thank you

were not aloud to talk about rooster's here?

[Stoicish]

At 4/22/09 10:12 PM, poxpower wrote: XXXth Battle: The USA vs The Empire

Stats:
US: Stuff

The Empire:
- Death Star
- AT-ATs
- LAZORS
- Darth Vader
- Couple thousand star destroyers

Winner: The Empire

I would still love to see that battle.

[ReThink]

At 4/22/09 09:19 PM, Stoicish wrote: blah blah blah (american penis-compensation details) blah blah blah

FIRST BATTLE: The US vs. CANADA

Ok, yeah getting real bored of these militaristic comparisons. Canada is not an imperialist state, we don't make a big spiel about our military because we don't need to. We don't go around screwing with other countries affairs with our military for our benefit (outside of UN efforts).

But you know where Canada does consistently beat the US: education, life expectancy and overall quality of life.

At 4/22/09 10:02 PM, Wormofsand wrote:

At 4/22/09 09:37 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: you forgot the US SPECIAL FORCES (SEALS RANGERS and DELTA FORCE) Not to mention America has nukes.

Actually he did mention that there would be no nukes used in these mock battles. Oh and I'm quite sure that Canada has nukes as well.

I'm pretty sure that we don't actually have nukes at the moment. However if we wanted to we easily could. We do after all have the technology (we did help the US with the Manhattan Project) and we are under a NATO nuclear weapons sharing treaty so we could buy them if we wanted.

[poxpower]

At 4/22/09 10:24 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

first Ship to destroy the Death Star Was the X-Wing by Luke SkyWalker who shot the Proton Torpedos down the tube

Who makes that again? Lockheed Martins?

At 4/22/09 10:58 PM, Stoicish wrote:

I would still love to see that battle.

Here's the two ways it could play out:

Way 1: We have the Death Star. Surrender.
Ok

Way2: We have the Death Star. Surrender.
HELL NO!
*zaaaap kaboom*

[homor]

At 4/22/09 09:30 PM, svenisgod wrote: the united states' stupidity will destroy it from the inside out.

*ugh*

how do you idiots find the political forum anyway? you obviously aren't smart enough to be on here.

[Stoicish]

SECOND BATTLE The US vs Israel

pros:
Great Military
Israel is set up for a perfect naval blockade
Experience in fighting in the Middle East
Probably would get a large support from most Arab countries
Cons:
Israel, despite lack in numbers, has one of the most modern military technology that rivals the US
They know Krav Maga
Due to conscription EVERYONE in Israel is eligable to fight in the IDF which means a, "Down the last man, woman and child situation."
Israel really knows how to fight in their own homeland and has more experience fighting in the Middle East than the US

Barring the fact that this is going to be one of those, "Never Gonna Happen" situations lets just pretend that it DOES happen.

It won't be easy for the United States. It would take many months of fighting with many US and Israel casualties on both sides. The IDF is small, but their technological advantage and tactical advantage more than make up for in numbers. The US will encounter rough fighting and slowly take territory before the inevitable "victory".

Then it has to deal with an occupied Israel which is going to be impossible for the United States. You think Iraq is bad? Try to deal with a country who thrives on survival and being its own nation. All the people will not take kindly to an occupying force and the US will have to deal with years of fighting with freedom fighters.

In the end there is no such thing as an unconditional victory in the battle and the US will just abandon the war torn country after so many losses.

Even in my technical scenario there is really no point in the US actually staying inside the country anyway and the war will most likely end in a treaty of some sort. Where the treaty will most likely favor the Israeli side rather than the US.

So I'll likely just call this one a draw and if you want to be technical a win for Israel because they were able to keep their country. Which is the whole point of the IDF.

NEXT UP: The US vs. Australia...CATCH IT!

[homor]

At 4/22/09 10:12 PM, poxpower wrote: Winner: The Empire

The Empire lost to a bunch of Teddy bears.

[Stoicish]

At 4/22/09 11:30 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

agreed also Note for the OP the Navy SEALs aren't Americas elite fighting force its DELTA FORCE.

I didn't say they were THE elite fighting force. I said that they were A elite fighting force and besides I just wasn't going to waste my time going through all the special forces which are technically units of an even larger fighting force such as the Navy or the Army.

Delta Force is a counter-terrorism unit anyway the same as the Navy's DEVGRU which is attached to the Navy SEALs.

All of these special forces have their own function to contribute to the larger effort and by all means aren't the only thing out there.

But, for you I'll tell you that the US has:
Air Force 24th Special Tactics Squadron
The ISA
Army Green Berets
Army Rangers
Several Air Force Special Operation Units
USMC Special Operations Command and Special Operations Capable Forces
The Intellegence Community as a whole.

There, happy?

[psycho-squirrel]

Time will beat it. America will end one day. It if the fate of all things.

[rumerio]

this stuff is pretty interesting to think about and you know what your talking about so its cool to read. I really dont believe any country could currently defeat the US. I would even go out on a limb and say that the ten strongest countries put together still could not defeat the US. there is just such a technological advantage in stealth and robots and communication along with manpower and soldier prowess it all equals one extremely powerful force.

[Ericho]

The Chinese could probably do it with their population. We've never fought a war against China and won (or has really any nation). Of course, then you have to remember we could get help from other countries eventually.

India has about the same population, but they're so peaceful and the like, I doubt they'd ever bother. Besides, they're so poor.

[Mariousz]

The U.S may be the most powerful country in the world but they are getting weaker and weaker.With all these wars...Vietnam,Iraq and they will continue.Powerful countries we will plenty of them but in different periods.For example China or Japan the way they are going with technology and population they will be in a time the most powerful countries in the world,but anyway war is not fun...the world would be far better if we had peace.It's sad to hear that we aren't againist the war.

[Brick-top]

Knowledge used wisely is the ultimate power.

[gunner-564]

USAV.S maldives!!!
usapros:
huge military compared to maldives
280 ships
about 2milion people in the miltary includeing reserve
usaneg:
lots of island to capture
nothing else really exapte distance
MALDIVES:
bottom point thed be comptlety fucked

[Jon-86]

Luxembourg would win. Hands down. Or maybe Vatican city. Theirs no Way the US would ever dream of taking on these two countries and if they formed an alliance then all y'all in the states better start praying god turns on the pope :P

[Diederick]

At 4/22/09 09:30 PM, svenisgod wrote: the united states' stupidity will destroy it from the inside out.

It has already begun, you can see it everywhere, especially on television.