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well thats not the problem

i know to use that code but my problem relies within the app itself the main part works but when i try and put in the flyout that doesnt work

oh well i should go to bed its 2am :P

no this is usually not what i do at 2am

does anyone here know anything about the windows sidebar

its really getting on my nerves

At 7/13/09 03:31 AM, adam2510 wrote: does anyone here know anything about the windows sidebar

its really getting on my nerves

Why don't make a standalone Windows application?

At 7/13/09 03:53 PM, iMate900 wrote: Why don't make a standalone Windows application?

i think most people would trust to run a side bar app against a standalone app

At 7/13/09 08:45 PM, wreckages wrote:

At 7/13/09 03:53 PM, iMate900 wrote: Why don't make a standalone Windows application?

i think most people would trust to run a side bar app against a standalone app

second'd anyway that could pretty much eliminate the need of the site but i dont want to do that and piss off tom

At 7/14/09 10:28 AM, adam2510 wrote: second'd anyway that could pretty much eliminate the need of the site but i dont want to do that and piss off tom

Can you explain that a bit more?

At 7/14/09 11:19 AM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 7/14/09 10:28 AM, adam2510 wrote: second'd anyway that could pretty much eliminate the need of the site but i dont want to do that and piss off tom

Can you explain that a bit more?

well if i did create a program you would be able to do everything that the site can do

i would rather not do it for a few reasons
1. newgrounds would lose money because everything can be accessed from the site
2. less people would trust the security of newgrounds

i think the idea of a full program should wait, i'm not in the position at the moment to be able to create such a program

but the thing is once i create this what will i get out of it, what will NG get out of it? it just doesnt seem to be the best thing to do at the moment

back to the app

still havin problems with the god damn flyouts

@kiwi-kiwi: can you help since you have worked with these before

At 7/15/09 04:08 AM, adam2510 wrote: i would rather not do it for a few reasons
1. newgrounds would lose money because everything can be accessed from the site
2. less people would trust the security of newgrounds

You reckon?

Bearing in mind I don't use widgets (Win7 change from Vista) OR third party applications for any site. I highly doubt that the other 99.9% of newgrounds will. You may get a few people using your app / widget, but you seriously can't think that EVERYONE wants to use whatever you develop?

I would much rather have newgrounds coming through my web browser with all my security addins than a 3rd party app that may as well be phising for passwords.

At 7/15/09 04:08 AM, adam2510 wrote:

@kiwi-kiwi: can you help since you have worked with these before

Sure, just pm me and I´%u013Al try my best to answer.
Also you might want to look into this link, it´s a google book on how to make gadgets.

At 7/15/09 04:08 AM, adam2510 wrote: well if i did create a program you would be able to do everything that the site can do

Lolwat.

i would rather not do it for a few reasons
1. newgrounds would lose money because everything can be accessed from the site

If you manage to parse all the html and javascript and the like and actually extract the needed data from it you can not be a dick and extract the ads too.

2. less people would trust the security of newgrounds

Why the hell would they do that? At worst they would complain about some shitty app to Tom or something.

i think the idea of a full program should wait, i'm not in the position at the moment to be able to create such a program

but the thing is once i create this what will i get out of it, what will NG get out of it? it just doesnt seem to be the best thing to do at the moment

It doesn't seem to be the best thing at all, it doesn't even seem a remotely good idea.
Why create some shitty app that, essentially, does what the browser already does (and possibly introducing the user to all kinds of bugs that allow them to be hacked, among other things).

At 7/15/09 11:12 AM, DearonElensar wrote: It doesn't seem to be the best thing at all, it doesn't even seem a remotely good idea.
Why create some shitty app that, essentially, does what the browser already does (and possibly introducing the user to all kinds of bugs that allow them to be hacked, among other things).

true but hacking? it would be as safe as using NG itself

i'm basically going to copy the ng login and re-use it :)

At 7/15/09 01:22 PM, adam2510 wrote: i'm basically going to copy the ng login and re-use it :)

And how do you hope to accomplish this?

At 7/15/09 01:45 PM, Relish wrote:

At 7/15/09 01:22 PM, adam2510 wrote: i'm basically going to copy the ng login and re-use it :)

And how do you hope to accomplish this?

well i talked to rob and he just said at the moment there is no other way to do it anyway thats not high on my list

btw thankyou kiwi-kiwi

the flyout is now working

i'm still going to have a play with the graphics with positioning and text but thats basically what it will look like

Hate to burst your bubble adam but I highly doubt that Rob is going to give you access to Newground's database.

At 7/15/09 02:13 PM, Relish wrote: Hate to burst your bubble adam but I highly doubt that Rob is going to give you access to Newground's database.

yea when i came up with this idea i knew that would be the case but i just have to work out how to copy the login script into the app because the app is primarily HTML/JS so it should not be that hard

but it can wait

At 7/15/09 02:17 PM, adam2510 wrote: yea when i came up with this idea i knew that would be the case but i just have to work out how to copy the login script into the app because the app is primarily HTML/JS so it should not be that hard

but it can wait

You do realize that's not going to work.

Surely it can work? Just pass the same variables to /ajax/login.php that the JavaScript passes when you click login? Doesn't need intervention from rob/liljim, unless they check who/where passed the information.

It is my understanding that Ajax does not work cross-server.

At 7/15/09 02:25 PM, Relish wrote: It is my understanding that Ajax does not work cross-server.

Perhaps I didn't word that right.

An Ajax request will only be successful if it is on the same server as the file you are requesting.

An Ajax request from domain1.com to domain2.com will not be successful.

At 7/15/09 02:23 PM, citricsquid wrote: Surely it can work? Just pass the same variables to /ajax/login.php that the JavaScript passes when you click login? Doesn't need intervention from rob/liljim, unless they check who/where passed the information.

hmm

i'll create something tomorrow

if they do check, well i'll probably get a few nasty emails :P

but the one thing that they may have, is they may have the server set up so you can log in only from the site, but i doubt it

At 7/15/09 02:29 PM, Relish wrote:

At 7/15/09 02:25 PM, Relish wrote: It is my understanding that Ajax does not work cross-server.

Perhaps I didn't word that right.

An Ajax request will only be successful if it is on the same server as the file you are requesting.

An Ajax request from domain1.com to domain2.com will not be successful.

i know

thats why i'll create a custom login and go directly to the login php file

At 7/15/09 02:29 PM, Relish wrote: Perhaps I didn't word that right.

Yeah, I know that, but you can still communicate with login.php cross domain can't you? :)

Using cURL it should, but with Ajax, without a proxy no.

But just proving your username and password is right doesn't provide you with any more information then you do just parsing NG's html.

Yes, you should be able to do that, unless it has something like
if($_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] != 'newgrounds_ip')
{
echo '<h1>You can't see me</h1>';
}

I just tried cURL on my server.

If the password and user name are correct it will return the PM count, user name, and status.

So I guess that would work.

I would not trust any software (including this) that logs in using this method, as it provides a hell of an easy way to steal passwords.

even if you do manage to create a way to have users sign in through this app, with all the recent phishing and brute forcing happening, do you really think users are going to trust this app?

i think you may be better off with the method NGLog uses, just entering the username and having stats pulled from the NG pages.

At 7/15/09 03:04 PM, wreckages wrote: even if you do manage to create a way to have users sign in through this app, with all the recent phishing and brute forcing happening, do you really think users are going to trust this app?

i think you may be better off with the method NGLog uses, just entering the username and having stats pulled from the NG pages.

Exactly. The login idea isn't going to do anything more than cause you to lose potential users.

At 7/15/09 01:22 PM, adam2510 wrote: true but hacking? it would be as safe as using NG itself

i'm basically going to copy the ng login and re-use it :)

Yeah, but i am sure you will manage to include buffer overflows in your code and have fun cases in your html/javascript parser where a user could send a specific string which allows them to execute their own code (and thus allowing a attacker to take over the pc).

true but what if i didnt have a full login just have the username and a login button as wreckages said like NGLog then we wouldnt have to worry about phishing because you are not completley logging in so you can view things like your submissions or your medals and you cant edit anything on your userpage or account, thanks guys