Forum Topic: "Genre" is a bad word.

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Posted at: 4/21/09 06:19 PM

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Genre ruins music. it becomes a question of identity and conformity, rather than ideas and expression. It kills me that all songs that are submitted to the audio portal have to have a premade genre label slapped onto them, but it kills me even more when people intentionally try to make music that sounds like all other music from a certain "genre", and then post here talking about genre. This is an Audio forum, for technical and theoretical topics, not a "general discussion of entertainment" forum. If you want to talk about how compression is used in House music, that's a different story. However, I am sick of all these kids posting topics asking for genre recommendations and definitions. If you want to know where ALL popular music comes from, learn music theory.

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So what's your point? That Newgrounds should just delete all the genres and just throw everything on one gigantic heap of songs?

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At 4/21/09 06:19 PM, moose3642 wrote: Genre ruins music. it becomes a question of identity and conformity, rather than ideas and expression. It kills me that all songs that are submitted to the audio portal have to have a premade genre label slapped onto them, but it kills me even more when people intentionally try to make music that sounds like all other music from a certain "genre", and then post here talking about genre. This is an Audio forum, for technical and theoretical topics, not a "general discussion of entertainment" forum. If you want to talk about how compression is used in House music, that's a different story. However, I am sick of all these kids posting topics asking for genre recommendations and definitions. If you want to know where ALL popular music comes from, learn music theory.

people judge, not really much you can do about it, plus labeling things only ease the confusion we have about music. Now hating genres is a flaw we humans posses and that's the true perpetrator btw im taking music theory next year :D

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If my mate comes up to me and was like "Dude I found this sick death metal band"
I'm gunna have a guess at what they sound like.

If genres didn't exist and he was all like "Dude I found this sick band, they're heavy, fast drums, low growls, all that shit" I'd get bored before he told me who they were.

Deal with it.
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Well, genres certainly help categorize music based on common properties they share. I quite like having categories for music. Because, if you look at it in a realistic sense, music from different people still shares similar qualities, like the distortion on a guitar, or the sync of the instruments in an orchestra. Because similar things are pleasing to similar ears, we can have categories for them. Or something.

But I have to admit, when it comes to shit like liquid-fusion-acid-street-electrionica-r ap-funk metalcore, it's just annoying.


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If people don't like the genre then they shouldn't even post reviews for songs of that genre.

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Genre's are nice because when I want to find a trance song, I can find a trance song. When I want to find a rock song, I can find a rock song. All it does is organize.


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I'm sure that there is a type of music that you don't generally enjoy. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of hip-hop. However would I get through life having to sort through hip-hop tracks while trying to find house?

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Without genres the audio portal would be a heaping mess and scramble of songs.. noone would get any listens from the jumble of songs. and you would have to search to try to find something like a techno song page by page. with genres all it takes is 1 click to find something like techno music.

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Posted at: 4/21/09 08:28 PM

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Down with genres!
Genres are an identity!
Don't conform!
Genres are a label!
Everyone should think outside the box!
Nobody should confine themselves to one genre!
Everyone's an individual!
Individuals are unique!
Be unique!
Did I mention do things outside the box?
INDIVIDUALISM REIGNS SUPREME!
Down with titles!
BREAK FREE!
There should be no restraints!
Let's show the system a thing or two about free expression!
Let anyone be who they want to be!
Make whatever music you want!
Make your identity!
BE HEARD!
BE YOURSELF!
Individuals are the future!
Break stereotypes!
Don't suffocate our expression!
The system forces us to conform!
DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM!
Fuck the system!
Be you!
DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO!

We get the fucking picture.

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I guess I should be flattered; some dumbass posted a response to this topic as another topic.

I think everyone completely missed my point, so I'll be more specific. My point is that a lot of kids who are new to music try to immediately dive into a genre and make music only within that genre, without really trying out their own creativity first to find their own tendencies. What I mean by this is they end up creating "generic" music, because they are limiting themselves. Professional musicians very often start out experimenting with different things, then find their own style, which someone else, often a producer, classifies in a genre in order to make it easier to find by the masses. Their music may contain influences from genres, but usually contains some originality. I never said that genres were not a good way to categorize music.

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Alright, that last part I miss and is entirely reasonable, so I'll give you a legit response.

I personally started by making drum and bass, simple drums and bass, because I wanted to understand not only the structure of a song, but to also understand the software I was a using, I then released it primarily to whore but also to get a sense of where the music itself placed. Did people consider it drum and bass or was I building something else?

Then I delved into what some would consider down tempo because that's what inspired me.

See, every one artist is inspired by something. Actors and filmmakers steal from other actors and filmmakers all the time, only because it best represents the material they want to showcase; if the material sucks, they crash and burn.

A lot of what I make I don't think is experimental, it's just stuff I like to make and it's difficult for more people to understand. That doesn't make them idiots or me a radical freedom of expression douche, at the end of the day the song just makes me happy.

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You've got the right idea. thanks for reading it :)

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There are good points and bad points derived from the concept of a genre.

Good points include...categorization, obviously. The ability to quickly discern what you know you like from what you know you don't.

Bad points. Once you have your mindset on a specific genre, it's hard to pull the plug on something that doesn't sound right and try something else, because then it wouldn't go along with what you've decided to do. Or something.

In summary, genres are a good thing after the fact. Meaning you should only assign your music to a genre once it's made, not strive to make a certain kind of music.

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When you're a newb at producing music, it doesn't matter which genre you try to make, as it will probably sound similar to what the other newbs are producing anyway. When you stop being limited by the software and start being limited by the genre boundaries, then you know that you're past that stage anyway.

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Genres just give an expectation of what you might here. I think a good experiment would be to have a famous trance artist create a song but call it hip hop or something. See the ratings change SOLELY because of it's classified genre.

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At 4/21/09 08:34 PM, moose3642 wrote: I guess I should be flattered; some dumbass posted a response to this topic as another topic.

Well it's sometimes what people do when you say something very absurd that has nothing to do with how to world works, and it's purely your opinion.

I have my opinion.

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At 4/21/09 09:07 PM, Nav wrote: When you're a newb at producing music

You know all about that don't ya Navy

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At 4/21/09 08:34 PM, moose3642 wrote: I guess I should be flattered; I'm a dumbass who posted a topic.

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At 4/21/09 10:44 PM, Steven-Polley wrote:
At 4/21/09 08:34 PM, moose3642 wrote: I guess I should be flattered; some dumbass posted a response to this topic as another topic.
Well it's sometimes what people do when you say something very absurd that has nothing to do with how to world works, and it's purely your opinion.

I have my opinion.

You have to agree that when people start making music they start in one genre. They stay in that genre because they have more experience in it. Sometimes they move on, most of the times they don't.

I get what moose is saying but i wouldn't go all out and say Genre's are bad.

I honestly don't think the second thread was needed btw...you have an opinion but don't bring attention to yourself for no reason. This dispute could have been solved here. I don't want to sound like that stuck-up asshole peacemaker, cuz i hate those ppl, but honestly, it wasnt necessary whatsoever...


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At 4/21/09 10:50 PM, Slipstreamer wrote: You know all about that don't ya Navy

First, don't call me that.

Second, I was a complete newb for at least a year. I do know about that.

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Lol don't be mad Navy.
And don't bump this.

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Genres don't restrict music, they just categorize it.


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At 4/22/09 02:20 PM, Slipstreamer wrote: Lol don't be mad Navy.
And don't bump this.

Then why did you provoke me? It doesn't make sense to say something that would encourage a response, and then to reprimand for bumping it.

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At 4/22/09 07:01 PM, ZENON wrote: Genres don't restrict music, they just categorize it.

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If anything, I'd like to see more categories...lol :P

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Yeah we are missing some lol

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I have to schools of thought on this. When it gets nit picky and stupid Sub genre is a bad word. Instead of Techno, Drum and Base, and Ambiance they should just have a big genre called electronic music. It would solve my problems with people telling me my songs are in the wrong genre. Then I wouldn't have to send my songs over to MISC because they don't sound technoey enough for techno. : /.

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At 4/23/09 09:51 PM, Syntrus wrote: I have to schools of thought on this. When it gets nit picky and stupid Sub genre is a bad word. Instead of Techno, Drum and Base, and Ambiance they should just have a big genre called electronic music. It would solve my problems with people telling me my songs are in the wrong genre. Then I wouldn't have to send my songs over to MISC because they don't sound technoey enough for techno. : /.

Doing that would be like summarizing all forms of rock and metal as "rock music."

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I've been converted into a genre nazi. If it doesn't have a hyphen in the genre name, then its of no use to me :P


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