Free Music/Copyright

[diazepim]

Music industry is slapping college students with lawsuit for sharing MP3.

That is crock of bullshit, which should be appealed. Music industry should be barred from any such actions.

Again, let me reiterate, I do agree with copyright laws.... If you're selling Metallica Burnt CD's over the internet, and making profit, you should be prosecuted for copyright law. If you are running a blockbusters with DIVX DVD, you should be prosecuted.

But if you're not making a profit, you're buying CD-R and CD burners and just listen to music or sharing them with your friend... there is NO case for copyright infringement.

In the same token, music industry/radio/TV should be charged for sending radio waves through my house/home/yard airspace... because they did not have permission to send unsolicited EM Waves through my space. You are violating my liberty and freedom of sending EM through my space.... I don't approve of satellite signals coming into my house, whether or not, I have a dish... you do not have permission.. you never asked. I should be able to charge the TV/music/radio industry for using my AIR space.

Secondly, why would we have such an explosion in MP3... if other industries are profiting off of selling, computers, MP3 players, CD-R, CD-Burners, DVD-R's, DVD-burners, etc...

Electronics/Computer industry are making the means to violate their own laws. This is double-binding. If you're prosecuting college student for sharing music over the internet... you have to include CISCO, the university, Microsoft, Winamp, UNIX, INTEL, because they are also involved in the process of setting up the whole system where such an act of sharing MP3 can occur. Thus they should file a lawsuit against internet.com

But the whole argument over copyright violation of MP3 by music industry is false, because MP3 sharer are not profiteers of shared music, but end user, so there is no copyright... The information product or they call it intellectual property, they produce is a CD with music on it.... the information of that music is compressed and played back on a computer. The CD is not copied.

It would be as if, I watched a movie and described it a friend... in music industry's argument, THAT would be copyright infringment... and hold ground as much in MP3. Even if someone sold a copied MP3 CD, it's not a really copyright infringement, because information is compressed... it's not the same information.

It would be as if, I read the newspaper onto a tape recorder and sold it a blind person. That's not covered in copyright. Music industry does not hold water with intellectual property... or at least they would have very hard time convincing a jury with a lawyer like me.

[diazepim]

Music should BE COMPLETELY FREE... no more stupid rockstars and sony and labels making billions off of selling CD.. that will soon be a thing of the past... MUSIC is vibration of air... like radio waves.. and will be free...

No, nobody is going to copy and sell your CD... but MUSIC WILL BE FREE.

This is a good thing, because artists will gain FAME more than fortune... and will go into art for the love of MUSIC.. NOT CASH...

That pretty much makes rappers feel really shitty.

BUT you can still throw big ass concerts and charge tickets... no concerts shouldn't be free... so if you want to make money... YOUR GONNA HAVE TO WORK for it...

And besides, what better to promote your tour, or yourself, or your music... if its free!!!! The music/CD industry will no more be fat cats ripping off artist and audiences.... your days are almost over....

Intellectual copyright hold no ground in their argument.

[diazepim]

Oh, BMG/Sony/whoever... I have bought over 500CD/150DVDs over my life, oh that includes about 200 tapes 300 VHS... and I don't have any MP3 that I don't own the CD for... it's just convenient to move from apartment and dorms without carrying 80lbs of CDs.

[cockjockey]

At 1/12/04 04:53 AM, diazepim wrote: MUSIC is vibration of air... like radio waves.. and will be free...

I hate the record companies as much as the next man, and if our world leaders came out tomorrow and said all music would from that point on be free, I'd be dancing in the streets. But that statement is ridiculous. Does this mean I never have to pay for movies either because all a screen does is transmit light towards my retina which interprets the image as Ben Affleck giving it ham?

[diazepim]

No when you watch a movie at a theatre.. you are purchasing/rent that facility for chair, screen, time, etc....

Music is FREE... how are you going to charge music... Music should be made money in concerts... not from MP3s.

Same argument, if you have DIVX copy of a DVD, and you're not making profit off of it... and watching it in your home... you purchased A DVD player/TV/electricity and THAT is the cost of the movie... there's no moral or ethical violation of copyright.

[radiantphoenix]

F**** the record labels! I would like to add that the record industry has been dead for the last 20 years and the only thing keeping it alive was people transfering their collection from tape to CD. Now that sales from that are wearing off, they conveniently point the finger at file sharing for loss of profits. What they don't realize is that any other industry, when seeing such a drop in demand for their product REDUCE THEIR PRICES to increase sales. This more than anything is hurting the recording industry. CD's are close to 20 bucks, yet cost less than cassettes to make. I would buy a lot more CD's if they were cheaper. File sharing just doesn't measure up to the real CD. You get to look at jacket art, you have a hardcopy that will last years, you don't have to worry about truncated files, and unless your downloading Justin Timberlake or Britney Spears(Top 40 crap) it's almost impossible to find an entire CD.

[RedSkunk]

At 1/12/04 05:13 AM, radiantphoenix wrote: CD's are close to 20 bucks, yet cost less than cassettes to make. I would buy a lot more CD's if they were cheaper.

buy used. like i mentioned in the other new-ish riaa topic...

The college students that are being busted are the ones who are sharing thousands of files. I try to be careful, and move them out of the shared folder (actually, my college kind of tells us to, so they won't have to bust us. heh). I also only have a hundred or two anyways.

I think mp3's are great, the industry should be embracing them. Maybe I'm just way too nieve(sp), but I usually download the mp3's of stuff I haven't heard, and if i like it, I go out and buy the CD. Sure, I could burn it, but it's way too much of a hassle to find all the tracks, with decent quality, and not cut-off halfway through (ugh).

[True-Lies]

I only have around 20 songs that are currently in my shared folder, but I have a supreme being rating on Kazaa!

You wouldn't believe how many perverts there are on Kazaa...

[Eurynomus]

So you want free music? well good for you...sooner or later they'll be outta of job with no money from the CD the Singer will have ta turn in his mic.

[cockjockey]

At 1/12/04 06:51 AM, Eurynomus wrote: So you want free music? well good for you...sooner or later they'll be outta of job with no money from the CD the Singer will have ta turn in his mic.

Good. I always hated Justin Timberlake anyway. I might download his album now just on the basis of what you said.

[cockjockey]

At 1/12/04 08:11 AM, JesusCyborg wrote: So in conclusion protect the rights of musicians or else the music industry will be destroyed

A thoughtful, well made point with intelligence. What are you doing on Newgrounds?

[True-Lies]

At 1/12/04 08:11 AM, JesusCyborg wrote: diazepim you really need to go get knifed

Intellegent?

So in conclusion protect the rights of musicians or else the music industry will be destroyed

Oh yes, because we all KNOW that there was no such thing as music before recording artists charged outrageous prices for it. Nevermind that literally thousands of other musicians and bands would kill to get their stuff downloaded off of Kazaa just so people can hear it and possibly enjoy it.

[cockjockey]

At 1/12/04 10:09 AM, True-Lies wrote:

At 1/12/04 08:11 AM, JesusCyborg wrote: diazepim you really need to go get knifed

Intellegent?

That wasn't the bit I highlighted as intelligent. Or "intellegent" as you so delightfully put it. Now a question of etiquette, in your response do you say you spelt it wrong on purpose to see if I was anal enough to notice, or do you say "fcku of u ghey" then copy/paste it 97 times?

[diazepim]

At 1/12/04 08:11 AM, JesusCyborg wrote:

Musicians have a right to make a living.

I was going to intellectually beat you into submission on the forum to a 2 month old like lvl 29 does to a crappy submit ... and sue you the help of the music industry for waste of intellectual property or at least potential waste of intellectual property... I don't have the time right at this moment, so I can't start this battle right now and pounce all you want, but you are being forewarned, I will go Jihad, Gladiator-style.

[lapslf]

At 1/12/04 08:11 AM, JesusCyborg wrote: Now I'd also like to address the stupid idea that has been thrown at me many times in the years since napster's birth. "Bands should make their money from live concerts and merchandise sales" To which I always responded, how would new bands get the funding to invest in merchandise or renting out places to play live (to the extent that they would profit from ticket sale)

Do you have any idea of how much musicians earn out of record contracts? They get one fee, and that's it. No royalties or anything. Every profit made out of the record goes to the record company. Nowadays thanks to the great digital developments it is possible to just record CD's at home, so you wouldn't really need a record company anymore, unless you're retarded like britney spears or justin timerlake. If you're a good musician you earn just as much or even more than the fee you get from a record company.

Conclusion: we don't need the greedy ass record company's any longer. Fuck them.

[bumcheekcity]

At 1/12/04 06:51 AM, Eurynomus wrote: So you want free music? well good for you...sooner or later they'll be outta of job with no money from the CD the Singer will have ta turn in his mic.

Yeah, it's not like the MILLIONS they erarn already wont tide them over.

[True-Lies]

At 1/12/04 11:08 AM, cockjockey wrote: That wasn't the bit I highlighted as intelligent.

No, you said that the entire post was thoughtful and intelligent.

Or "intellegent" as you so delightfully put it. Now a question of etiquette, in your response do you say you spelt it wrong on purpose to see if I was anal enough to notice, or do you say "fcku of u ghey" then copy/paste it 97 times?

fcku of u ghey!@!@#! *copy pastes it several thousand times*

[cockjockey]

At 1/12/04 09:22 PM, True-Lies wrote:

No, you said that the entire post was thoughtful and intelligent.

fcku of u ghey!@!@#! *copy pastes it several thousand times*

I quoted like a line of it, it's plain to see right here on this thread. Not that it matters, I've got enough "fcku of u gheys" to last me til June now, so copyright whatevers no longer mean anything to me. Plus Melt Banana don't complain when their stuff gets downloaded, they're quite grateful to get the attention to be honest. I need some sleep. This is a comfy desk. fcku of u ghey )

[D2Kvirus]

It's basically just part of an excuse culture: Profits down to only $230+m last year, so it must be file swapping college students, not the fact the music they churn out is a pile of shit, and nobody is being fooled anymore.

No need to go on, really...

[Slizor]

diazepim you really need to go get knifed because you're "free music" idea opresses the rights of music creators for the collective benefit.

Just because you believe your strange conception of rights....doesn't mean that we do.

Musicians have a right to make a living.

Yes they do, that's what concerts are about.

To which I always responded, how would new bands get the funding to invest in merchandise or renting out places to play live

Wait wait wait, so bands rent out places and then play in them? Oh! I thought they were invited (or they asked) to play, or played for free. I mean that's what my friends who are musicians did. They would then get a cut of the profits taken at the door.

[diazepim]

At 1/12/04 03:35 PM, diazepim wrote:

At 1/12/04 08:11 AM, JesusCyborg wrote:

Musicians have a right to make a living.

Okay, for 1 million $ that a musician makes, the record company makes about $20 million.

Yeah, it's true that label can promote you ... make you or break you...
However, most record companies are run by sharks, which throw up a contract for multiple records deals you have to produce at a certain contracted price. That's where you can get really screwed. That's where they own your life... At a whim, if you get hit, they'll promote the shit out of you make a shit load of money. After your one hit wonder, and they don't think you can produce hits, they drop your promotions and file you at the bottom of the list... and even if you do make albums, they won't even sell them or make them... but you still own them the records... and you can't leave or do anything else musical, because it's all under contract.

Secondly, most musicians are poor... they are all these unknown names like Sheryl Crow used to be singing at unknown bars, until they get discovered by a producer... not for them to get rich, but the producer to get rich... And they can OWN your life.

And of the successful artist or musician, I don't see brittney spears driving dodge neons or ford escorts.... dude, the money they've lost from MP3 its like... instead of making 20 million $ they are making 10 million $... the greedy motherfuckers. Otherwords, they ain't poor. As far as I've seen on the media, 1/2 of all artist favor free MP3 trading... it's the greedy money hungry ... play for millions, sell my soul for more money groups like metallica, that's complaining. The ones that are really complaining are the fat cat producers now making 500 million $ rather than 10 million $.

Music should be free. If you want to make money, play in concerts and bars and collect covers and tickets. Greed musical bastards.

[D2Kvirus]

With beautiful timing, the BPI (British Phonographic Industry) have decided to take it upon themselves to sue "small online record stores", as they seem to believe that they're losing profits as a result.

So, not Amazon (too big/too rich/too many lawyers, I assume), who also sell CDs for less than the bankrupting street value of £14-16 (bear in mind $1 is 61p, at least today it is)? Is there any rational reason to go for them, or is it just the BPI have a harder time blaming file-sharing programs, since they're primarily based in the US, and their American counterparts are busy blaming them for their own failings?

In short, don't form a covers band any time soon - they'll be coming for you.

[bumcheekcity]

At 1/15/04 10:31 AM, D2KVirus wrote: In short, don't form a covers band any time soon - they'll be coming for you.

Fuck them. Especially a rock covers band. The first thing everyone will do is cover the banned songs. That's the nature of rock, to rebel. You can't put rules on music, that's the beauty of it.

[D2Kvirus]

At 1/15/04 01:40 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:
Fuck them. Especially a rock covers band. The first thing everyone will do is cover the banned songs. That's the nature of rock, to rebel. You can't put rules on music, that's the beauty of it.

I'll remember that when the next "winner" of Pop Idol releases a single...

[bumcheekcity]

At 1/16/04 12:36 PM, D2KVirus wrote: I'll remember that when the next "winner" of Pop Idol releases a single...

Pop Idol does not even COMPARE to music.