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I think that the genre "horror" is so much better, and more effective in books than in films. I'm quite biassed, but I genuinely think that horror literature is so much better than horror films.

For one, horror literature leaves a lot up to the imagination of the reader, the best of which leaves enough room for the reader to get sucked into their nightmarish version of the story. The horror film cliches are not expected and not a must have in a story. A lot of visual aspects of horror films have been done again and again and again, in literature, you can have wild descriptions, you can get right into the mind of the main characters, and you can show a side to the horror that you can't through film.

As I said, I'm heavily biassed, and I'm sure some of you would disagree with me.

Horror is so much better in books than in films. Discuss.


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Both have stopped being scary in anyway for me. Desensitized I guess.

But even so, I would have to agree with you.

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At 4/20/09 04:03 AM, Kalibur wrote: Both have stopped being scary in anyway for me. Desensitized I guess.

But even so, I would have to agree with you.

Scary? Well there's another point to discuss. Films may be scarier, because they have the visual images that you can't deny. The sudden actions and the gore, unless you're used to it, some of this stuff can provide a good scare. The fright aspect of literature, I find, has much less impact, and so the horror is more situational, rather than physical. The "feeling" of horror, I'd call it.

Horror literature doesn't really scare me either, it just seems to be more subtle, creeping under your skin, on the whole, more often than films do.


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Literature allows for a much more detailed scene. There's no way that you could ever capture something in as much detail in a movie as you could through literature (decent literature, that is).

Personally, horror isn't my genre of choice, but I find that most books that are converted over to the big screen end up to be fairly disappointing in the latter medium. You just can't capture something in the same way.

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At 4/20/09 04:08 AM, WritersBlock wrote:
At 4/20/09 04:03 AM, Kalibur wrote: Both have stopped being scary in anyway for me. Desensitized I guess.

But even so, I would have to agree with you.
Horror literature doesn't really scare me either, it just seems to be more subtle, creeping under your skin, on the whole, more often than films do.

I'm using scary in a sense I'm used to I guess. When I watched zombie films as a child, I used to get a feeling of hopelessness and dread from them. I've gotten the feelings from other books, but it's gone now.

Other than that, the scene where the person turns a corner and RAWWGRHG SCARY MONSTER was never scary.

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Well as you alluded too the mind can do so much more than the silver screen, with literature you can picture the wildest of situations that are as real in your mind as your physical body is to the world. If the book is made into a movie you are disappointed that the visuals you are being showed are not what you pictured or as real.

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At 4/20/09 04:01 AM, WritersBlock wrote: Horror is so much better in books than in films. Discuss.

Hmm. I can see where you're coming from, but I'd have to disagree with some of it at least.

All of what you've written is true for the mainstream, overdone pseudo-hollywood crap 'horror' films, but there are horror films that are as cerebral in their methods as any book. Most of them aren't exactly easy to find, or come across by accident, though. The only one whose title I can readily recall is The Blair Witch Project.
(I remember seeing one from Taiwan, I think, that was so psychologically torturous it made TBWP look like a kid's movie, but its name completely escapes me).

I see what you mean by 'getting into the mind of the characters' as well. It's much harder to 'just read' something. You have to make the effort to process what you're looking at (unlike the TV, which you need only stare into), so a book, by nature, would be almost always better for conveying mental pictures and other abstract concepts that are hard to put on a passive form of entertainment such as a cinema screen.
The few exceptions to this is when the movie acting is so good as to correctly mimic the subtle body language needed to convey such things as what the characters are thinking (without making it stupidly obvious). And let's face it: that caliber of acting is not usually seen in mainstream entertainment anymore.

I'd have to say, based on the better ones I've seen, that there are ways of out-doing a book with a movie. However, 9 times out of 10, the book wins in this particular genre.


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I get sucked into books pretty easily when they're well written and horror books are more psychological, but I find some asian horror films can be just as good and instead of taking a week or two to read it only takes a few hours to watch.

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I've actually never read a horror book o.o

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Horror literature really isn't my thing even though I love my horror films now and again. To be honest I cannot remember the last horror book experience I had but I can tell you this, thrillers are much better in book format than on the big screen and I suppose the suspense in both create a crossover of similarities in both genres.

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I think that's because there's too many low budget run of the mill horror films, recycling the same plot elements.


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Well.. What about our flash?

I don't read many horror stories, neither do I watch many horror movies. If I had to guess though, I'd read a book rather than watch the movie. Your own imagination makes the story better than any movie, and doesn't fail to leave a good impression.

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I agree when they are in book form they are a whole lot interesting. But movies will scare me a whole lot more than reading a scary book.

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I would have to agree that the book is almost always scarier than its movie counterpart. A good horror book has a way of seeping into your reality and making your imagination run wild. In horror films defense however, they have a much stronger ability to make me jump out of my seat. The aspect of suprise is more of a visual thing. ( a book usually cant physically startle you the way a loud niose and a quick spurt of movie gore can)

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I have to agree.

Years back, I read The Shining. It was terrifying. Seriously it freaked the shit out of me.

I then watched the film, it was great, nowhere near as scary as a book though.

Like you said, the imagination is a powerful tool..

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At 4/20/09 04:39 AM, Hiphopopotamus wrote: I agree when they are in book form they are a whole lot interesting. But movies will scare me a whole lot more than reading a scary book.

I dunno, I think scary movies are just becoming embarrassing now. The "scary" parts basically consist of something very loud and sudden happening in the middle of a slow, quiet, dark scene... and this repeats itself for around 2 hours whilst each of the 3-5 protagonists are eliminated one by one by the antagonist.

Generalising, but you get my point I'm sure.

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At 4/20/09 04:35 AM, Whirlguy wrote: Well.. What about our flash?
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I don't read many horror stories, neither do I watch many horror movies. If I had to guess though, I'd read a book rather than watch the movie. Your own imagination makes the story better than any movie, and doesn't fail to leave a good impression.
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Of course, whirlguy, there are exceptions. A bad horror story would never out shine a good horror film. I'm making a huge generalisation.

Fuck, I'm making a huge generalisation... :O

As far as thrillers go, I like them well enough as books and movies, although probably books moreso. Some thriller movies are just so bad, but there are a few thrillers that I've thoroughly enjoyed. In fact, the first adult literature (adult as in for adult readers, not erotica) I read were John Grisham thrillers that my parents recommended for me.

About the argument that all good books are better than like genred films (or book to film movies), regardless of genre, while you could probably come up with a strong argument for that, there's also the argument that the degree to which this is evident depends on the genre. Certainly, I'd say that horror is the most obvious for having more good books than movies, whereas things might be a bit tighter with epic adventure films, and actions would probably be better on film than in books, but chick flicks... and romance novels... they're both shit. =P


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Well, i haven't read much horror, but I do tend to agree on that; books are a very effective form of storyelling, it's had centuries to form, and find methods. Especially modernist and post-modern literature can, at best, completely captivate you. Movies have their own restrictions,since you can't do similar shifts in narrative, and protraying feelings and thoughts is entirely up to the skill of the actor, and how well other people are able to interpet their performance.

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At 4/20/09 06:23 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: Well, i haven't read much horror, but I do tend to agree on that; books are a very effective form of storyelling, it's had centuries to form, and find methods. Especially modernist and post-modern literature can, at best, completely captivate you. Movies have their own restrictions,since you can't do similar shifts in narrative, and protraying feelings and thoughts is entirely up to the skill of the actor, and how well other people are able to interpet their performance.

A good point. Film is a very recent art form, and while it has it's pros and cons, literature has had a lot more time to mature and evolve and work out all the kinks.


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At 4/20/09 06:15 AM, WritersBlock wrote: Of course, whirlguy, there are exceptions. A bad horror story would never out shine a good horror film. I'm making a huge generalisation.

Don't say that man, your story wasn't bad. It was awesome.

Fuck, I'm making a huge generalisation... :O

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At 4/20/09 06:44 AM, Whirlguy wrote:
At 4/20/09 06:15 AM, WritersBlock wrote: Of course, whirlguy, there are exceptions. A bad horror story would never out shine a good horror film. I'm making a huge generalisation.
Don't say that man, your story wasn't bad. It was awesome.

Lol, I wasn't saying that about my own work at all. Just pointing out in general that there are exceptions to my statement. And the point of my statement that reflects on your animation is that there can be good horror films.


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Reading horror fics like S.King is gripping because it lets my imagination run wild with the words, but, I prefer a movie with a very well done soundtrack to heighten the mood.
Or even a game, like deadspace.

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i think movies are scarier cos they are more real, cos you can see them as real people and stuff and its not just your imagination

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At 4/20/09 06:54 AM, pauralotter14 wrote: i think movies are scarier cos they are more real, cos you can see them as real people and stuff and its not just your imagination

Of course, it's easier to scare someone visually as opposed to through text, but do the scare tactics actually make for a better horror? I get the impression that a lot of horrors go for the generic, predictable, cheap scare. Besides, what's wrong with imagination? Where something such as the supernatural may be cheesy in a horror film, in literature, the author can describe the situation in much more detail, and while imagination is encouraged in literature, the emotions and the descriptions can be told as real, as fact. And some horror writers do capitalise on this.


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I am the the end of the 90's generation.

I have zero imagination, and I cannot pay attention for even videogames for more than five minutes.

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I think you have a point, when watching a movie you are watching the director's vision of the book, from his own imagination, he also has to cut alot of sections of the book out to make it shorter. With books one can relate the fears shown to you in the book to the fears you have in real life, reading books gives you time to get immersed and you can go through the dialogue over if you don't understand a part, while in the movies they give you little room for interpretation it's just the director's portrayal of the book.


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I sometimes google for ghost stories. Much creepier than your standard slasher or a lame US remake of a Japanese horror flick. There's just something about having no real resolve in most of these stories that really sets the mood. Plus the almost bizzare behaviour described.

The Sixth Sense was the last film to genuinely scare me, beside some "BO!!" moments in White Noise and Pulse.


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It all comes down to how your brain processes information. If you're more of a visual or literal type, the movies or neither might scare you.

If you have the imagination to back up the foundation of fear a book gives you then it'll most likely be a book if it's well done.

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I agree. Some of the literary devices add to the the suspense of a scene better than a film.
The plot and characters are usually explained better in a book.
There are no shitty special effects, either.

Kind of the same with porn, too. Better in books.


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