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At 1/12/04 11:03 PM, red_skunk wrote:

Gore got 51% of the votes cast, and no, during American democratic elections, it doesn't have to have anything to do with the popular vote..

Wow. That's really really really sad. You know what this is? It's SOCIALISM!! You're saying people with more influence in the US have more voting power, because if it was a democracy Gore would have been elected (51% being more than 49%, you see?). So obviously your facts aren't straight or your country is just really really sad and pathetic.

At 1/12/04 04:39 PM, Jimsween wrote: No, they did. Obviously you don't understand how represenative democracy works. You vote for a canidate who you think has the most compatible views as you.

Yes, but what if you change views? Or better yet, what if your candiate changes views? OR WHAT IF HE LIED? Politicians don't do that do they? We're not robots programmed to always speak the truth and adhere to one set of principles from birth til death.

As for the immigration issue, I respectfully bow out of this debate bcause you have swayed me that Bush is mediocre at best.

At 1/13/04 04:13 PM, adrshepard wrote:

At 1/12/04 12:22 PM, Empanado wrote:

Its difficult to list all the good things Bush does because compared to all the controversial things he has done they are not worth reporting in the media. One hardly hears about all the good things.

Well, i tought that an important part of the media was pro-bush. If THEY don't inform any good thing that Bush does (remember, besides foreign policy) that means that maybe finally he doesn't do anything good at all. ALTOUGH, i'm pretty sure they DO report some stuff. I mean come on. THREE YEARS since he became president. Seven good things aren't much asking.

Besides, you live in Chile. What do you care? Could it be that by making such a big deal about a country you hate( the dictator thing) that you are actually confirming its great importance and strength?

I don't quite get what you're saying here. Anyway, First: I care because, as i said previously, i care about the future of my country. The US is a VERY important factor to the economical and political stabilities of many countries, specially little ones like mine. Second, i don't remember saying at any moment that the US weren't an important or strong country. (If i did, sorry, it was a lie) In fact, i do believe that they are the biggest nation in the world at these times, but, with an idiot ruling it, they will fall and they will take mostly everyone down with them. A moron in the white house is a threat to the whole world.
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I may add that it looks like you people think that by saying that a country is "important" it means that i like it. Well it doesn't, y'know.

Oh and i haven't seen any lists yet.

PS: People! go to see bushin30seconds.org! Anti bush shorts! Besides, they're funny!(maybe i'm a bit late on this stuff, but still, go watch'em!)

At 1/13/04 11:13 PM, swallowing_shit wrote:

:OR WHAT IF HE LIED? Politicians don't do that do they?

Thats a trick question, right?

At 1/13/04 10:39 PM, Matty233 wrote: Wow. That's really really really sad. You know what this is? It's SOCIALISM!! You're saying people with more influence in the US have more voting power, because if it was a democracy Gore would have been elected (51% being more than 49%, you see?). So obviously your facts aren't straight or your country is just really really sad and pathetic.

My friend, with the great American way of elections it's legally possible to become president without getting the majority of the votes. Even so, Bush bought the elections, but let's not get into that...

Did bush only win by 2%?

You want your list, little Chilean boy? Here it is. And it is way more than seven:
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
Be sure to look at the bottom of this website to see a list of legislation passed.
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Homeland_Security

http://edworkforce.house.gov/press/press107/coraccountsigned.htm
Here are some acts passed by Bush that affect veterans:
http://jones.house.gov/html/mil_accomp.html

http://www.ducks.org/news/Bush_Signs_NAWCA.asp

Heres a description of another:
President signs Hometown Heroes Survivors Benefit Act
On December 15, President Bush signed into law S. 459, the Hometown Heroes Survivor Benefits Act of 2003. The new law will broaden the Public Safety Officers Benefits (PSOB) to cover public safety officers who die of heart attacks or strokes while on duty. Congress approved the legislation in November. The PSOB program, administered by the Department of Justice, provides a one-time financial benefit of $267,494 to families of public safety officers (police, fire and EMS) killed or permanently disabled in the line of duty. Before enactment of this new law, the burden of proof was placed on the family to demonstrate a direct relation between the heart attack or stroke and the actions performed in the line of duty. More details on the Congressional Fire Services Institute Web site.

These were so easy to find. Its disappointing how some people could be so lazy not to do research for themselves.

Ok, so i asked for a list and there it is. Now people will be able to check out both sides of the thing and bring out their own conclusion. Thanks. One last question, shepard. Just to close this topic. In your own words, would you vote for the reelection of George W. Bush and why?

Whoa, I thought you'd respond with some crap answer. I take back my derogatory comments.
I guess I'd vote for Bush rather than Dean, because I read that Dean wants to pull US support from Israel, which would lead to a whole bunch of problems. Back in 2000, I would have voted for John McCain. I don't know if you've heard of him or not, but I read his autobiography and I liked it.

Ok, then you'd vote for Bush mostly because you think the other candidates would be worse. (Personally i think that pulling out the support to Israel would be rather a good thing than a bad thing, that's one of the most important reasons for the terrorist attacks, y'know. Oh well maybe it's just some crazy ideas of mine)
But don't you think that the internal affairs are the ones that should really matter on this? I mean, all in all, the facts tell that the US are having a crisis, i.e. unemployment, the dollar has devaluated, etc. In my personal opinion, i'd vote for the candidate that cares more about the country itself than external affairs. I've never lived on a "big" country tho, so i guess that you people could think different than us.

At 1/14/04 12:03 AM, Empanado wrote: I don't quite get what you're saying here.

You're from Chili... and you don't know who he's talking about? He's referring to Agusto Pinochet, a terrible dictator (much like Saddam) who is responsible for countless cases (several thousands) of murder, torture and dissapearences! I can't believe you didn't learn this in school... He was appointed by the American gouverment in order to stop the so-called "evil" communist-socialist party which was currently rising in Chili. It was the exact same case for Saddam except instead it was Iran they were trying to stop; and look how that ended up!? In fact, if I can name ONE good thing Bush had done: he hasn't put anything psycho dictators in power (although that could quickly change.)

Anyway, First: I care because, as i said previously, i care about the future of my country. The US is a VERY important factor to the economical and political stabilities of many countries, specially little ones like mine.

Are you on drugs!? You're country is by far the most wealthy in South America. Hell, you're country is less dependant of the US economy then mine! Chili is 2nd supplier of ocean ressources worldwide, the #1 supplier of copper in the world, the 4th (I think)supplier of wine, and a hell of a lot more! You don't owe anything to the US. If anything, they owe you.

I may add that it looks like you people think that by saying that a country is "important" it means that i like it. Well it doesn't, y'know.

So, are you saying you hate or don't hate the US?

At 1/14/04 08:33 PM, Empanado wrote: Ok, then you'd vote for Bush mostly because you think the other candidates would be worse. (Personally i think that pulling out the support to Israel would be rather a good thing than a bad thing, that's one of the most important reasons for the terrorist attacks, y'know. Oh well maybe it's just some crazy ideas of mine)
But don't you think that the internal affairs are the ones that should really matter on this? I mean, all in all, the facts tell that the US are having a crisis, i.e. unemployment, the dollar has devaluated, etc. In my personal opinion, i'd vote for the candidate that cares more about the country itself than external affairs. I've never lived on a "big" country tho, so i guess that you people could think different than us.

Yes, Israel is the reason for the terrorist attacks, but pulling out would be fulfilling their cause. Plus, I think that if some Arab nations realized that Israel no longer had US weapons, they would take the opportunity to regain some of their land, and I think there would be another nasty war.

And as far as the US economy goes, it's getting better. Like many people say, right now we're in a stage of recovery. It's all about recovery and recession in a continual loop.

At 1/14/04 09:39 PM, Kutatoxi wrote:

At 1/14/04 12:03 AM, Empanado wrote:

You're from Chili... and you don't know who he's talking about? He's referring to Agusto Pinochet, a terrible dictator (much like Saddam) who is responsible for countless cases (several thousands) of murder, torture and dissapearences! I can't believe you didn't learn this in school... He was appointed by the American gouverment in order to stop the so-called "evil" communist-socialist party which was currently rising in Chili. It was the exact same case for Saddam except instead it was Iran they were trying to stop; and look how that ended up!? In fact, if I can name ONE good thing Bush had done: he hasn't put anything psycho dictators in power (although that could quickly change.)

Eh, when i said that i didn't understand, i meant that i probably translated his post wrong for myself and it didn't make any sense to me. Of course i know who is Pinochet.

Are you on drugs!? You're country is by far the most wealthy in South America. Hell, you're country is less dependant of the US economy then mine! Chili is 2nd supplier of ocean ressources worldwide, the #1 supplier of copper in the world, the 4th (I think)supplier of wine, and a hell of a lot more! You don't owe anything to the US. If anything, they owe you.

But still, the economy of Chile depends a lot of the US. If the dollar devaluates, the exports lose some value, therefore the companies lose money and that leads to economical crisis and unemployment. Altho, we're starting to look forward into the Asian market rather than the american one. Besides, most of the rest of Latin America depends from the US, and if they lose money, we also do, as they're a big support for us both in economical and political ways. And, even if we're the wealthiest country in South America, that still doesn't make up for a "big" country, does it?

So, are you saying you hate or don't hate the US?

If you mean the administration, i pretty much hate it. If you mean the country itself, nor do i hate or like it.

At 1/15/04 07:06 AM, adrshepard wrote:

Yes, Israel is the reason for the terrorist attacks, but pulling out would be fulfilling their cause. Plus, I think that if some Arab nations realized that Israel no longer had US weapons, they would take the opportunity to regain some of their land, and I think there would be another nasty war.

You may be right on that one, but pulling out the support may be at least used as a bluff to put some pressure there in order to achieve some peace, y'know. I think there's an specific thread for this topic so i'll shut up.

And as far as the US economy goes, it's getting better. Like many people say, right now we're in a stage of recovery. It's all about recovery and recession in a continual loop.

Recession...Recovery...bleh. Oh well i guess the only way to know how this stuff will turn out is to wait for it.

At 1/14/04 03:13 PM, Empanado wrote: In your own words, would you vote for the reelection of George W. Bush and why?

I’m really not sure. On one hand, I don’t like the War in Iraq and his USA/Mexican border issues all that much, but on the other hand I like his approval of the Anti-Spam and No Child Left Behind Acts. I’ll have to wait and see.

At 1/15/04 01:20 PM, Dagodevas wrote: ...and No Child Left Behind Acts. I’ll have to wait and see.

What's that act say?

At 1/15/04 01:48 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: What's that act say?

HUZZAH!

Oh, and if bill-signings do count, you can rack that up with some of the good things Bush has done so far in office.

Did everybody just forget about 9/11 here? The Bush Administration has been through a lot of hard times, and on the topic of Saddam, would you rather have him still ruling Iraq. I mean COME ON! He is one of the most despicable figures in history, and you all act like Bush has done something horrible here. Anybody can sit back and talk big, but at least you can disagree with your government here.

Also, on the point of Bush's intelligence, he graduated from Harvard with C's or higher and recieved a masters degree, and people say that he's an idiot! Harvard is a tough school! Everybody pounces on his speech...he's from Texas! Geez, I'm from Alabama and I have a slight Southern accent, but I'm an all A honor student! So what if he mispronounces a word. If the media caught everything you said on tape, they could make you look pretty stupid as well...

I'm done shouting...Good night.

At 1/16/04 01:21 AM, RandomBob wrote: Did everybody just forget about 9/11 here? etc...

We're recognizing things the administration has done, not rewarding sympathy points.

Also, on the point of Bush's intelligence, he graduated from Harvard with C's or higher and recieved a masters degree, and people say that he's an idiot! Harvard is a tough school!

I have to agree there. If you can survive Harvard with C's or higher and get a Master's than you can't be that stupid.

bush has done nothing good

At 1/16/04 02:17 AM, luigi33 wrote: bush has done nothing good

Im going to turn you into soup, tardboy.

At 1/16/04 02:17 AM, luigi33 wrote: bush has done nothing good

Some people read topics thoroughly before posting in them, but you're just too good for the rest of us, aren't you?

At 1/16/04 02:17 AM, luigi33 wrote: bush has done nothing good

That's not true. Nothing is too strong a word to use. That No Child Left Behind thing certainly seems very good. Sure, I disagree with a good 96% of his principles and ideas, but we can't disagree on everything... can we?

At 1/13/04 10:39 PM, Matty233 wrote: So obviously your facts aren't straight or your country is just really really sad and pathetic.

no its based on the electoral college
and as far as im concerned so is every country

At 1/16/04 02:17 AM, luigi33 wrote: bush has done nothing good

tell that to the people of iraq and all those places that were ruled by Sadam
plus hes really trying to fund a new space program
i hate the fucker but i got some new respect for him

At 1/16/04 06:12 AM, HellboundNinja wrote: plus hes really trying to fund a new space program

Well that's probably the best way of spending hard-earned taxpayers money that I could think of! </sarcasm>

Bumcheek's right on that one. What's the point of more spacial stuff? Now they're heading for Mars. Why? Are they going to say that Osama may be hiding there or what? In my opinion it's just too much cash to spend on that. Specially if they're not fully recovered of the economical recession. It's just a stupid way of spending money if you ask me. (And yeh, we chileans have been on something like that. We spent a lot of cash on a satellite that didn't even launch for god's sake)