Forum Topic: Thepiratebay Vs. Ebaumsworld

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Now, I was originally going to make this a post on the PirateBay thread, but at the last minute I decided this could stand on its own as a thread.

Now, these are two very different scenerios of copyright violation.

Thepiratebay copies and distributes copyrighted work. They earn a profit off advertisements. They do not take credit for the work. They do not cause the creators to lose bandwidth on their websites.

EbaumsWorld copies and distributes copyrighted work. They earn a profit off advertisements.They take credit for stolen work (they put their watermark on everything they steal). They call upon information from the original websites and cause the creators to lose bandwidth.

So why exactly are the founders of ThePirateBay facing jail time while Eric Bauman runs free?


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Because people can't hate him as much if he's in jail.

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At 4/18/09 04:01 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: So why exactly are the founders of ThePirateBay facing jail time while Eric Bauman runs free?

Becuase TPB stole from massive companies with billions of dollars and massive legal teams, whereas Ebaum steals from penniless teenagers.

It will always be the way that those who need the money the most will never get it, and those who already have plenty will just take more and more.

Also I don't think Bauman works there anymore. I'm pretty sure he got fired.

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So why exactly are the founders of ThePirateBay facing jail time while Eric Bauman runs free?

How are they facing jailtime while the site is still up?

Why would they put them in jail without shutting the site down?


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At 4/18/09 04:06 PM, elementell wrote:
So why exactly are the founders of ThePirateBay facing jail time while Eric Bauman runs free?
How are they facing jailtime while the site is still up?

Servers don't magically disappear when the person who sets them up goes to jail.


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The pirate bay will disappear when someone isn't there to pay the bill.

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The main reason is that Ebaumsworld have a massive team of lawyers that dig them out of every shithole that they manage to flop into. ThePirateBay didn't actually break any Swedish laws, too, so there is not a strong enough basis for their imprisonment for it to be concrete (which is why I'll be joining in with Project Seeds of Liberty and spreading some CDs around my local area.

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Because when ebaum takes flashes and videos.

Pirate bay takes hundred and thousand dollar software and programs and music, and distributes it freely.


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Because the people who want The Pirate Bay down (large record companies) are a lot more powerful then the people who want Ebaumsworld down (Newgrounds).

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because the creators of the material on the Pirate bay have taken out legal copyright on it, the flashes of newgrounders have no copyright.

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At 4/18/09 04:14 PM, mwmike wrote: which is why I'll be joining in with Project Seeds of Liberty and spreading some CDs around my local area.

part of that project is illigal...

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The Pirate Bay does not steal anything, it host files, .torrent files to be exact and does not host copyrighted material. It also sometimes acts as a tracker for those files.

The members and users of The Pirate Bay are the thieves and the site merely facilitates that and makes money from the site, not the copyrighted files.

Ebaum's World does steal files. It does host stolen content and it does make money off of that content, sometimes altering it to do so.

Ebaum's world is liable for what they do. Last I checked The Pirate Bay is not liable because .torrent files are not illegal in it's host country. If nothing has changed the charges against it's administrators will have to dropped.

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It's because none of you (ok, maybe most. Probably not all) have any idea what you're talking about. "ThePirateBay" as an entity didn't DO anything except make themselves open for user content submission. There was no moderation on anything, and users were not encouraged to upload illegal or legal content. The Pirate Bay was being sued for "helping people conspire to commit copyright infringement," which barely sounds like a crime, as file hosting companies like Rapidshare could be sued on the same grounds. I'm still not completely sure what part of the law allowed them to be found guilty, and who specifically bribed the judge to produce that immense and unfair fine, but there has to be some corporate trickery going on somewhere.

Ebaumsworld blatantly steals content from other sites. I don't think it is very legal, but the large corporations and lobbyist groups probably don't see it as such a large revenue loss for them as the Pirate Bay was, when, ironically, most of the content that would have been on the Pirate Bay will show up somewhere else, as it's user-contributed, whereas shutting down Ebaumsworld would have a much larger effect on the general populace of file-sharers.

It's a complex topic. Sorry if I didn't make sense.

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At 4/18/09 04:23 PM, Nav wrote:
Ebaumsworld blatantly steals content from other sites. I don't think it is very legal, but the large corporations and lobbyist groups probably don't see it as such a large revenue loss for them as the Pirate Bay was, when, ironically, most of the content that would have been on the Pirate Bay will show up somewhere else, as it's user-contributed, whereas shutting down Ebaumsworld would have a much larger effect on the general populace of file-sharers.

By your logic would Ebaumsworld be the one sued and not ThePirateBay?

I think the more plausible explanation is that the people EbaumsWorld stole from don't have enough money to hire a good legal team. The people ThePirateBay stole from do.


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At 4/18/09 04:20 PM, Shreddy wrote: part of that project is illigal...

I'll be staying on the legal side of the project. I'll leave the illegal stuff to the thousands of /b/tards who want to get affiliated with that side. I'll only help with the illegal side of it if there's an absolute need for it, not just for helping out.

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At 4/18/09 04:16 PM, Judzfell wrote: Because when ebaum takes flashes and videos.

Pirate bay takes hundred and thousand dollar software and programs and music, and distributes it freely.

Pirate doesn't take the media, the users do. It doesn't distribute it either. It just provides the torrents. It's not really their fault.

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I really don't wonna sound like a spammer/advertisment, but I would consider downloading a program called Peerguardian... it stops sites and companies and governments looking into your router... or computer... or something... so before you get a letter through your door (DUUUH UUH DUUUUUUUUHUHUH) for following a slightly brainwashing site, make sure you use protection

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Aren't the Pirate Bay servers in Iceland or somewhere the "Christmas Island" international copyright bullshit isn't effected?


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Because life is unfair. It always will be.

Look at it this way though, the people behind The Pirate Bay will go down in internet history as cyber-martyrs. Bauman will always be a snivelling little rich kid.

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That's like comparing a petty crook to a mafia don.

Get some perspective.

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You need to compare TPB to a Librarian. Both are one and the same.

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At 4/18/09 05:31 PM, mwmike wrote:
At 4/18/09 04:20 PM, Shreddy wrote: part of that project is illigal...
I'll be staying on the legal side of the project. I'll leave the illegal stuff to the thousands of /b/tards who want to get affiliated with that side. I'll only help with the illegal side of it if there's an absolute need for it, not just for helping out.

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At 4/18/09 04:07 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote:
At 4/18/09 04:06 PM, elementell wrote:
So why exactly are the founders of ThePirateBay facing jail time while Eric Bauman runs free?
How are they facing jailtime while the site is still up?
Servers don't magically disappear when the person who sets them up goes to jail.

Yeah, but whoever arrested them would shut down the servers, because sending someone to jail without stopping what they're doing doesn't solve anything at all.


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At 4/19/09 01:05 AM, elementell wrote:
At 4/18/09 04:07 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote:
At 4/18/09 04:06 PM, elementell wrote:
So why exactly are the founders of ThePirateBay facing jail time while Eric Bauman runs free?
How are they facing jailtime while the site is still up?
Servers don't magically disappear when the person who sets them up goes to jail.
Yeah, but whoever arrested them would shut down the servers, because sending someone to jail without stopping what they're doing doesn't solve anything at all.

Maybe they know that they won't find anything illegal from all the other times they shut down their servers and had a look.

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At 4/18/09 04:06 PM, elementell wrote:
So why exactly are the founders of ThePirateBay facing jail time while Eric Bauman runs free?
How are they facing jailtime while the site is still up?

Why would they put them in jail without shutting the site down?

They're still under trial, so right now they're outside of jail.

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Actually thepiratebay is not in any copyright violations because it doesn't host any of the files. Learn before you think.


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Piratebay is just a tracker to spread the shit.
Hell, even i can upload stuff to piratebay and THEY have to pay?

they got a 30 million (norwegian kroner) fine for it too if you didn't know.

I think they're gonna do some stuff to get in a higher court or something... hehe

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At 4/18/09 05:58 PM, STEM wrote: You need to compare TPB to a Librarian. Both are one and the same.

Filesharing should still have somekind of time limit for new items. Like you can't rent a movie when it has been just released. Maybe this for entertainment, but when you make a program as a tool then I don't think file sharing should be allowed. (Like pirating flash or photoshop)

Librarys are limited also, you can't go around and copy the book word for word and start distributing that for free. Also the people running TPB deserve their jailtime, when brought to their attention that they could remove an illicit act they chose not to. I wouldn't say that's a completely moral thing to do.


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ThePirateBay technically does not hold any of the copyright files it tracks, and the ones it does are from big name corporations who can loose a few hundred thousand dollars. Ebaum actually hosts independent artwork and makes money from that.

ThePirateBay is like Robin Hood, Ebaum is like a man who robs creative homeless people.

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At 4/19/09 05:59 AM, Mind-Edge wrote: Also the people running TPB deserve their jailtime,

It may be immoral, but they are being charged with something that is not illegal. This makes the Swedish courts look biased because they are doing what they think is right, not what is written in law.

They technically don't deserve jailtime based on law.

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