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At 4/15/09 12:34 PM, TomFulp wrote: If you had a HappyHarry RSS feed, you would have noticed he did voice work for a Wonchop movie after releasing Saturday Morning Watchmen.

Would've been a nice plug if you had remembered to actually stick a link to the movie in question XD

For those curious, here it is again:

And swell news about the revenue system. So does that pretty much make the Flash Ads thing redundant? :P

Out of interest, how do you go about dealing with customs charge for international purchases? Kinda sucks when you win some store credit to get some free stuff only to have to pay about half the cost so you can actually have it.


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At 4/15/09 03:13 PM, Rig wrote: Are earnings right now based on ad impressions or ad clicks? Because I'm having a hard time believing that with over 8 thousand impressions on my userpage, nobody has clicked any of my songs besides one, and that there were no impressions at all for 5 days in a row.

The stats we get from the ad company are filtered so we can import them in less than a week. We only get stats if you made any monry, o if you have gotten 1k+ ad impressions. Without this filter, the whole system is just a big clusterfuck... you just have no idea!

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At 4/15/09 03:17 PM, squeakytoad wrote: Tom, I love you. While I won't be dropping my summer job, this means that during college seasons, I don't have to take up as much part-time work, but can instead concentrate on flash, like I've been wanting to do more for quite some time now.
Thanks so much, man!

FINGERS CROSSED. This is the sort of thing we're hoping will be possible. :)


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So how do you put in a advertisement on your userpage?

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At 4/15/09 03:18 PM, I-smel wrote: Is this the NG ads I've been using for like a year? I don't want to sound like a dick, I genuinely can't tell what we're talking about.

+If y'all are jokin over like 30 cents everyday, I don't know if I should even mention how much I've got from this. Serious duckets yo.

The new revenue page includes Flash Ads revenue from the ads you have been putting in your Flash for the past year, but it also includes a rev share on ads that appear on your pages here on NG. Since you were using the Flash API system, you were part of a test group that was secretly earning money throughout March, so when you view your March stats, you should see User Page, Flash Portal and Audio Portal earnings in addition to your traditional "Flash Ads" earnings.


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At 4/15/09 03:23 PM, idiot-buster wrote: So how do you put in a advertisement on your userpage?

the ads are already on your userpage. You get a share from the in-page ad that's always been there. Youre welcome :D

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At 4/15/09 03:21 PM, Wonchop wrote: And swell news about the revenue system. So does that pretty much make the Flash Ads thing redundant? :P

Out of interest, how do you go about dealing with customs charge for international purchases? Kinda sucks when you win some store credit to get some free stuff only to have to pay about half the cost so you can actually have it.

Customs charges suck... Dunno a solution for that since it's down to the individual countries and what they charge to import stuff. :(

As for the Flash Ads being redundant - it is still VERY beneficial to implement Flash Ads in your Flash. They generally perform MUCH better than the ads on pages, and they go with your Flash wherever it goes on the web - which generally works out a lot better for games, since the movies just get ripped to YouTube. If you are making something that has any chance of spreading, Flash Ads bring a lot of upside. Some people put them in movies that get 10,000 views and the results are disappointing. Other people put them in games that get 100,000 views on NG, then 2,000,000 views across the rest of the web, and those numbers start to add up.


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This is great! I love the interactive viewer, I missed it when you removed the old one :P

I love the new look! And finally a button on the Account page, that helps. This system is perfect!

I'm so popular, $0.05 off my userpage >:)

Thanks!
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At 4/15/09 02:50 PM, life wrote: Hey Tom can you make it to so g-bot or p-bot PMs us when a new flash by our favorite flash/audio artist is released? Losers like me don't use rss. :(

I wouldn't mind something like this. It's certainly useful on sites like Deviantart and Youtube, and would be handy for those wanting to keep track of their favourite artists without glaring at the portal in vain hope. And like DA you could have it alert about an artist's news posts, including ones not posted to the front page. It's debateable whether it should go in a seperate segment to the Inbox, though.


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At 4/15/09 03:24 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:
At 4/15/09 03:23 PM, idiot-buster wrote: So how do you put in a advertisement on your userpage?
the ads are already on your userpage. You get a share from the in-page ad that's always been there. Youre welcome :D

I see a White box where the ad space was. Is this the space your talking about or the one just under how meny stickers I bought?

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At 4/15/09 03:21 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: The stats we get from the ad company are filtered so we can import them in less than a week. We only get stats if you made any monry, o if you have gotten 1k+ ad impressions. Without this filter, the whole system is just a big clusterfuck... you just have no idea!

So during those 5 days: I got impressions, but not enough to make money?

clickclickclickclickclickclick

Interesting that with only 11 impressions, that one song of mine made me the most money so far. Why is that? Expensive ads?


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Woah christ. I'm readin through all this, and this is a really good thing to do. Thanks!


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At 4/15/09 03:28 PM, Mattster wrote:
Thanks!
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At 4/15/09 03:31 PM, Rig wrote: Interesting that with only 11 impressions, that one song of mine made me the most money so far. Why is that? Expensive ads?

Yeah, best guess is that for that small number of users, you got lucky on results with the ad.


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At 4/15/09 03:31 PM, Rig wrote:
At 4/15/09 03:21 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: The stats we get from the ad company are filtered so we can import them in less than a week. We only get stats if you made any monry, o if you have gotten 1k+ ad impressions. Without this filter, the whole system is just a big clusterfuck... you just have no idea!
So during those 5 days: I got impressions, but not enough to make money?

clickclickclickclickclickclick
Interesting that with only 11 impressions, that one song of mine made me the most money so far. Why is that? Expensive ads?

That is because the ads are preformance based. For example... a game might get 10k views, but NOBODY clicks the ad. Then an AP song might get 10 views and one person clicks the ad.. signs up for whatever the product is and BAM, that AP song just made more money than the popular game.

We've been running ads in flash for a few years now, and have been testing these in-page ads since mid Feb. One thing I have noticed is that the people with the highest quality work and the most dedicated fans do the best. Personally I think that's awesome because it's rewarding hard work and dedication, rather than spammers.

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stupid question, what are impressions?

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At 4/15/09 03:36 PM, mariomusicmaker1 wrote: stupid question, what are impressions?

whenever someone sees an ad, that is an impression.

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This is wonderful.

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Do we get moneys (like fractions of pennies) when people see the ads in our flash submissions (I don't mean the API ones, I mean the pretty pictures that now show at the bottom of the screen when we watch flash submissions)?

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At 4/15/09 03:45 PM, UberCream wrote: Do we get moneys (like fractions of pennies) when people see the ads in our flash submissions (I don't mean the API ones, I mean the pretty pictures that now show at the bottom of the screen when we watch flash submissions)?

I believe you need to have people clicking the ads. Not viewing them :P
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At 4/15/09 03:19 PM, bob wrote:
I believe you will have to measure that in fractions of a penny everytime someone clicks an ad. Like Tom said, this is not life-changing or even day-to-day-changing money.

Makes sense. The site has bills that need to be paid to continue operation. The staff needs their salaries. I'm surprised you guys are moving toward giving us any money as it is (rather than decreasing hand-outs) with the current global economic situation.
I think it's awesome we're getting just this as it is.


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At 4/15/09 03:48 PM, Mattster wrote:
I believe you need to have people clicking the ads. Not viewing them :P
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Who seriously clicks on ads though?

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At 4/15/09 03:52 PM, RKthrilla wrote:
At 4/15/09 03:48 PM, Mattster wrote:
I believe you need to have people clicking the ads. Not viewing them :P
-Matt
Who seriously clicks on ads though?

Generous people who know that it will make the person money :)

That's my best guess.
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At 4/15/09 03:56 PM, Mattster wrote:
Generous people who know that it will make the person money :)

I need money

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At 4/15/09 12:34 PM, TomFulp wrote: While PsychoGoldfish was working on the rev share system, Liljim has been overhauling and expanding our RSS feeds. Today we introduced feeds for new Flash and Audio by individual artists.

Its great, but do you think its possible to get these feeds on one's account page or inbox? kinda like deviantart and its message centre :3


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At 4/15/09 03:48 PM, Mattster wrote: I believe you need to have people clicking the ads. Not viewing them :P
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No, just viewing them. As mentioned a couple posts above.


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Guys, this is stellar.

I've been regularly coming to NG for about 5 years now, mostly enjoying the aspects of the forum community, dabbling in audio (and now a teensy bit in Flash, stay tuned)... and I just want you to know that this kind of system... this really, really cool system, is MORE than I would have ever expected in terms of "compensation." Not that I ever felt I needed any, but even so.

This sort of thing truly sets NG apart and resonates perfectly with the claim that NG isn't some sort of "faceless" corporation. My e-hat is off to the NG Staff; you all should truly be proud of what you've accomplished and I hope you believe me when I say I am as excited as you guys are for the massive potential this site has to unleash in the very near future.

I am set to enter the professional world of business in a few years, quite possibly to pursue marketing or PR. The ideals and attitude you guys have displayed are something that will certainly influence me in that regard.

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At 4/15/09 03:35 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: One thing I have noticed is that the people with the highest quality work and the most dedicated fans do the best.

I LOVE YOU, FANS! :3


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At 4/15/09 04:21 PM, Rig wrote:
At 4/15/09 03:35 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: One thing I have noticed is that the people with the highest quality work and the most dedicated fans do the best.
I LOVE YOU, FANS! :3

Yeah! Me to, I love my FREAKING NINE fans!

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