At 6/15/09 07:56 AM, RubberTrucky wrote: It's just that it's never really clear how much of said logic is in fact personal.
Yes it is. Everyone can examine the facts, and everyone can ask you to explain your reasoning. Logical fallacies are easy to spot if you know what you're looking for.
It's even easier to say that a decision made was a stupid one in hindsight and even more so to reject decision on personal bias. Of course you're going to assume your decisions are more logical then everyone else's.
That's also why, in a rational society, you would discuss decisions with others that those decisions would affect.
Also, in a stricter sense, there's not a "more logical" or "less logical" decision. There are decisions with logical faults and ones without. Yes, some decisions will end up being incorrect, but the point is to strive to make the best decision possible based on the information available, and to exclude personal bias from your reasoning.
I'm really starting to get the feeling that most people don't know what logic actually is.
Look at Hitler and the Jews. Didn't Hitler succeed in building a strong dominant nation only to be took down when the rest of the world jumped it? Didn't he get away with killing countless people?
If emotion is a weakness and Nazi Germany is built upon it, howcome it has grown so big?
Hitler Hitler Hitler, why must we bring him up in EVERY ARGUMENT? (Yes I already know about Godwin's law, just STOP DOING IT.)
Emotion is not necessarily a weakness, it's just a hindrance to making a rational decision. In the example you've given, Hitler used emotional appeals to gain support for the idea of killing all Jews, which he clearly couldn't have gotten away with if everyone wanted him to explain himself.
Saying emotion isn't a weakness because Nazi Germany got big is like saying stupidity isn't a weakness because you know a really dumb guy who can lift 400 pounds. You're just equivocating the use of the word "weakness" in a different context.
c.f. Pep rally