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At 1/11/04 11:07 AM, Aghh wrote: ...Over 70% of americans are Obese

This is an incorrect fact, I believe that 25% of americans are Obese, with 55% Fat, but numbers vary depending on your source.

Sup, y'all. No no, I do believe at least 50% of Americans is PHAT (even if they are the biggest terrorist state in the world, according to Noam Chomski, and attested to by the fact that they break international law on a regular basis, for example in Nicaragua in the 70's and 80's, and in Iraq). But aside from all dat, dey is da PHATTEST mfks dey is, y'all. H-Dawg OUT. (of course, I be talkin about the government, not all da fly American homies. Peace!)

At 1/10/04 12:29 AM, Destroyerr13 wrote: I think that those americans are soon gonna get what is coming to them.

Yeah, whose gonna try and stop us? I'd like to see that, because we'd tear them a new asshole.

Why, because they have been putting their nose in ou-,other peoples buisness

Not really, idiot.

Clouds of Anthrax may be pouring over the U.S.A.

Heh, yeah right.

And N. Korea, well i think that show is gona be a good one.

We could kick their ass any day.

Why is it all so violent? Why can't we just all be peaceful and groovy?

At 1/11/04 04:52 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Why is it all so violent? Why can't we just all be peaceful and groovy?

Yes, let's hug!

At 1/11/04 04:59 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 1/11/04 04:52 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Why is it all so violent? Why can't we just all be peaceful and groovy?

Yes, let's hug!

That is a cool picture. I think that if everyone had a hug, there would be at least 50% less violence in the world.

In short terms, i'm on the USA-should-not-police-the-world-for-their-own-interests side.

At 1/11/04 05:04 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 1/11/04 04:59 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 1/11/04 04:52 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Why is it all so violent? Why can't we just all be peaceful and groovy?

Yes, let's hug!

That is a cool picture. I think that if everyone had a hug, there would be at least 50% less violence in the world.

Yes, let's make it a law that everyone should have a hug every day! Anyone who disobeys gets a group hug from the hugpolice!

Yeah, yeah - except all a them PHAT/FAT AMERICAN people. The law should exclude hugging them, unless they made it so that it was only one of them, and a bunch of us huggin them in a team. Then it would be ok.

If by "get what is coming to them" you mean punch and pie, the i'm excited. Who dosn't love punch and pie?

At 1/10/04 05:58 PM, swallowing_shit wrote:

At 1/10/04 09:20 AM, adrshepard wrote: "Police the world." What the hell gives you that impression?

http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/library/wonderful/index.php
http://www.fpif.org/papers/grenada2003.html

Oh please. Not another load of Michael Moore's misleading bullshit.

"American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia."
Convenient that he doesn't tell you why. We were at war at the time with an enemy with civilians that attacked soldiers and lied about helping the enemy.

"US stages coup in Chile"
Nothing new here. It's about protecting economic interests. Every powerful country will put pressure on a leader or support a rebel in order to get a better deal.
Same thing for El Salvador. Ironic how he mentions four American nuns. Shouldn't that not matter compared to 70,000 people?

"US trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to fight Soviets"
So? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

"Contra's" Same economic interests.

"US gives billions of dollars in aid to Saddam to kill Iranians."
It's called shaping security interests. "to kill Iranians" Yeah, I'm sure the French helped the colonists purely for self esteem. So I guess the French must be evil. England, too, for its help in the French and Indian War.

"White House secretly gives Iran weapons." So? Why not profit of the wars of two third world countries. At least we made it a fair fight. Heh.

"CIA agent Manuel Noriega disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama. 3,000 civilians die. "
Well, duh! If your agent starts disobeying orders and is the head of a country that could be disruptive, you have to get him out of there.

"Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from the US." How is this our fault? It isn't. But Moore wants as many misleading facts connecting the US with death, even if they are weak ones.

"US enters Iraq. Bush reinstates the [rightful] dictator of Kuwait."
Why would we do otherwise?

"Clinton bombs weapon factory in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin."
Too bad. But there's more to it than what a building looks like. The intelligence was just wrong. Guess that makes us evil, too.

"UN estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions." No, most of them died because their leader was an inhuman bastard. I assume its the "oil for food" program, and if 500,000 people starve, it isn't because the US renegged, its because Saddam didn't give out any oil, the bastard.

"US gives taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in aid." Yeah, because they used to be the leader of production of poppies, and they stopped. We rewarded them. This fact is made to sound bad only when looking at it today. Before 9/11, no one would have cared.

So, you see, the US isn't policing the world. It is protecting its interests, both economic and security. The US doesn't go around the world protecting democracy. It's not practical.
Protecting economic interests has been an important factor in lots of wars: All of England wars about empire, The revolutionary war, the war of 1812, the Gulf War. This isn't anything new, and it doesn't single out the US as a bad country. All major powers have had several little wars. China, Russia, France, England are just a few.

At 1/10/04 08:53 AM, Aghh wrote: I agree george bush is one nosey son of a bitch and defintly will get at least one assination attempt, I thought it was bad enough when another countries start snopping around in other countries buissnesses but when they actually send in troops and start doing stuff, that really pisses me off! Who gave them the right to just go and do that? they are just trying to police the world, and the USA definetly has a following, of hate

Oh wow... We "Police the world"??? I'd like to send you back to IRaq BEFORE we*ahem* *unfortunately* ousted that *great humanitarian* from his *rightfull* seat as *ahem* *democratically elected* ummm? ?president?? was ousted. ANd the tip him off that you said: I don't like Saddam". After about a month I would extradict you, and ask if you still think policing the world is such a bad idea.

At 1/11/04 04:38 PM, 70TA wrote:

At 1/10/04 12:29 AM, Destroyerr13 wrote: I think that those americans are soon gonna get what is coming to them.

Yeah, whose gonna try and stop us? I'd like to see that, because we'd tear them a new asshole.

Why, because they have been putting their nose in ou-,other peoples buisness

Not really, idiot.

Clouds of Anthrax may be pouring over the U.S.A.

Heh, yeah right.

And N. Korea, well i think that show is gona be a good one.

We could kick their ass any day.

Couldn't have said THAT better myself....
Although "Not really Idiot" Is kinda pointles...

At 1/11/04 04:59 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: Yes, let's hug!

extra points for teh calvin and hobbes pic!!

Wow, its like all the assholes have joined together in this topic.

*hides behind rock and checks whats going to happen next*

At 1/10/04 12:29 AM, Destroyerr13 wrote: I think that those americans are soon gonna get what is coming to them. Why, because they have been putting their nose in ou-,other peoples buisness. they can rid the world of saddam, but staying in there, to liberate, well they have overstayed their welcome. And you know what? George dubbya bush keeps saying he will rid the world of terrorism. i would like to see him try. Some organization will be threatened and have some major retaliation, and you know what? Clouds of Anthrax may be pouring over the U.S.A.. Scary thought ain't it? And N. Korea, well i think that show is gona be a good one.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. America is the ultimate superpower and it always will be. Get used to it. If you're not an ally, you're a target.

At 1/11/04 08:13 PM, adrshepard wrote: "US stages coup in Chile"
Nothing new here. It's about protecting economic interests. Every powerful country will put pressure on a leader or support a rebel in order to get a better deal.

YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT DO YOU KNOW HOW IS IT LIKE TO LIVE 17 YEARS OF TERROR UNDER THE RULE OF SOME SHIT INSTALLED BY A "POWERFUL COUNTRY" THAT WOULD HAVE IMPRISONED YOU IF YOU DISAGREED HIS THOUGHTS, KILL YOU IF YOU TRIED TO SCAPE OR TAKE YOU MILES AND MILES AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR BELOVED ONES JUST BECAUSE YOU HAD DIFFERENT IDEAS? HAVE YOU EVER LIVED IN A DICTATORSHIP? HAVE YOU EVER SAW HOW YOUR FREEDOM IS TAKEN AWAY? OH LEMME GUESS: NO, YOU HAVEN'T. SO, WHAT YOU MEAN IS, THAT SO YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY GETS CHEAPER COPPER BY 17 YEARS, IT'S OK THAT 3000 CHILEANS WERE KILLED AND OVER 10000 MORE TORTURED OR "DISAPPEARED"? DO YOU HAVE ANY PEOPLE OF YOUR FAMILY WHO'VE DIED ON CIRSCUMPTANCES LIKE THESE? NO? WELL LEMME GIVE YA SOME NEWS: I DO, AND SO DOES ANOTHER TEN THOUSAND OF CHILEANS. SO WHY DON'T YOU SHOVE YOUR LITTLE PIECE OF FUCKING "PATRIOTISM" RIGHT ON YOUR ASS AND SHUT THE FUCK UP, BECAUSE YOURE NOT A PATRIOT, THE TRUE PATRIOTS ARE THE ONES THAT FUCKERS LIKE YOU CALL "ANTI AMERICANS" BECAUSE THEYRE AGAINST THE ATROCITIES THAT A MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLE IS DOING "IN THE NAME OF PATRIOTISM AND NATIONAL SECURITY". YOUR COUNTRY HAS NEVER BURNT BOOKS (YET). PROBABLY NO ONE IN YOUR FAMILY HAS EVER HAD TO BURY ANY MUSIC, ART PIECE OR BOOK THEY HAD BECAUSE THEY'D GET PUNISHED FOR HAVING THEM. YOU'VE NEVER SEEN HOW THE VERY CORE OF YOUR NATION IS BOMBED BY FASCISTS THAT "BRING STABILITY TO THE COUNTRY TO SAVE IT FROM THE COMMUNIST MENACE". YOU DON'T KNOW HOW DOES IT FEEL. ALL THAT, DO YOU KNOW WHY? FOR YOUR ECONOMIC INTERESTS. YOU MAKE ME SICK.

God damn! Check that out.

*callousness turned ON*

Wow, I'm glad I live in America. For one, it's NOT Chile. OUR government actually gives a shit about it's own people, instead of doing whatever they're told for a big enough bribe. We used to have a country like that, but we ran those bastards off the continent about 225 years ago.

At 1/11/04 08:13 PM, adrshepard wrote: So, you see, the US isn't policing the world. It is protecting its interests, both economic and security.

You sir, are ignorant. Policing the world is protecting economic interests. How else would you protect your economic interests without acting as a police force that fights communism and nationalism, no matter what the human cost?

Why do terrorists hate America enough to give up their lives in order to deal the country such mortal blows? Of course it's not America the terrorists hate; it's American foreign policy. It's what the United States has done to the world in the past half century -- all the violence, the bombings, the depleted uranium, the cluster bombs, the assassinations, the promotion of torture, the overthrow of governments, and more. The terrorists -- whatever else they might be -- are also rational human beings; which is to say that in their own minds they have a rational justification for their actions. Most terrorists are people deeply concerned by what they see as social, political or religious injustice and hypocrisy, and the immediate grounds for their terrorism is often retaliation for an action of the United States.

The terrorists responsible for the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 sent a letter to the New York Times which stated, in part: "We declare our responsibility for the explosion on the mentioned building. This action was done in response for the American political, economical, and military support to Israel the state of terrorism and to the rest of the dictator countries in the region."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/WhyTerroristsHateAmer.html

At 1/11/04 04:59 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: Yes, let's hug!

This is a hug free zone.

damn, pic mods are FUNNY.

At 1/12/04 12:08 AM, JudgeFUNK wrote: damn, pic mods are FUNNY.

Thank you, Master Funk. Your praise makes the 40 seconds I spent modding that pic all worth it!

At 1/11/04 11:52 PM, swallowing_shit wrote:

At 1/11/04 08:13 PM, adrshepard wrote: So, you see, the US isn't policing the world. It is protecting its interests, both economic and security.

You sir, are ignorant. Policing the world is protecting economic interests. How else would you protect your economic interests without acting as a police force that fights communism and nationalism, no matter what the human cost?

That's hardly acting as a police force. Policing would be going around the world cracking down on all things un-American. Yes, communism is something that caused military action from the US. But, how many injustices are there in the world where the US does not intervene? Look at Africa, a giant shithole of ignorance, starvation, aids, and war. I belief that the US will not interfere with others unless it has something to gain or to protect. The US is not an international policeman.

At 1/11/04 10:41 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 1/11/04 08:13 PM, adrshepard wrote:

Wow. Really hit too close to home there. Heh.
Perhaps I sounded too callous. If I was in Chile, I would probably be just as pissed as you are, and I'm sorry that I was apathetic.
It apparently wasn't economic interests that the US intervened, it was because Allende was a Socialist, and the US feared that Communism would spread through South America.

It is unfortunate that this happened, and I am sorry to say that I am somewhat callous to the suffering of foreigners. But, this was not done for some evil purpose. With all the tension in the Cold War, I can see why some would see containing Communism would be worth the evil of financing a bloody revolution.
I suppose I was not taking into account the bloodshed that occured. I'm sorry.

At 1/10/04 12:29 AM, Destroyerr13 wrote: I think that those americans are soon gonna get what is coming to them. Why, because they have been putting their nose in ou-,other peoples buisness. they can rid the world of saddam, but staying in there, to liberate, well they have overstayed their welcome. And you know what? George dubbya bush keeps saying he will rid the world of terrorism. i would like to see him try. Some organization will be threatened and have some major retaliation, and you know what? Clouds of Anthrax may be pouring over the U.S.A.. Scary thought ain't it? And N. Korea, well i think that show is gona be a good one.

It's been expressed already by other members, but Iraq IS our business because it affects our national security. Freeing the people from Saddam and his sons was basically a bonus... had we gone into Iraq just to free the people (which is still moral in my opinion) THEN we would have been puting our noses in other people's business since their freedom does not affect us.

When our government believes that an outside power represents some form of threat to our security is it not right for them to take the action they feel is needed to protect their people? Wouldn't you want your government looking our for your lives and interests?

You think the U.S. has overstayed their welcome? I think there are some that want us to get the hell out for whatever reason, but it is very difficult for me to imagine that the majority of Iraqis want us to get up and leave without making sure someone humane is left in charge of them.... in this way I guess we are butting into their business since it is not in our interest to rebuild Iraq with nearly $100 billion of taxpayer money; God forbid we should continue to butt in and attempt to help those people rather than leave them alone to find order in a leaderless contry.

At 1/10/04 10:41 AM, Insertoxymoronhere wrote:

At 1/10/04 10:29 AM, D2KVirus wrote:

At 1/10/04 12:29 AM, Destroyerr13 wrote:

Your another scum sucking piece of limey shit. GO FIND PROBLEMS WITH YOUR OWN COUNTRY!!!! Oh wait im sorry your country is perfect just like every other country that bitches at us. You guys have never done anything wrong. Wait and watch for the terrorists to attack you one day for helping the US. Then you will feel our anger. Your another fat fuck who sits around all day on his comp insulting Americans FUCK YOU YOU CAN LICK MY HAIRY AMERICAN NUTS MOTHER FUCKER.

Well, that's me convinced. Your well thought out riposte has just made the entire international community think higher of the average American intelligence. Not me though, sweeping generalisations aren't really my bag. I see that you're a cretinous, perhaps incestuous, hateful waste of DNA, in desperate need of a thesaurus, and perhaps a second brain cell, but I realise that you're an INDIVIDUAL cretinous, perhaps incestous, hateful waste of DNA with limited vocabulary, and it's not at all the fault of your nation. In fact, if you ever represented the states as an ambassador, every last one of your press releases would come with a disclaimer.

At 1/11/04 10:41 PM, Empanado wrote:

YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT DO YOU KNOW HOW IS IT LIKE TO LIVE 17 YEARS OF TERROR UNDER THE ECT ECT

Just two things;

1. You haven't lived for 17 years full stop, so it's hypocritical to open your statement with that.
2. Your caps lock appears to be broken.

At 1/10/04 10:41 AM, Insertoxymoronhere wrote:

The same usual shit, with different grammatical errors.

For the love of Christ, haven't we gotten over this "If you don't like it, LEAVE" syndrome? Or "What's sdo good about your country" as a means to defend your own?

Anyone with half a braincell can hit "search" and notice I'm the sole dissenting voice against Tony Blair on this board (since he isn't a staple on CNN, no-one seems to notice apart from when he's stood next to Bush or appearing on The Simpsons), but that seems to be too much trouble. Nah, write some boring shit, unfounded, unrealistic, unwanted. Always works, eh?

At 1/12/04 08:21 AM, cockjockey wrote:

2. Your caps lock appears to be broken.

"7/16ths of an inch. That is how far you would have to move your pinky in order to NOT sound like an idiot." - Maddox

Yeah, I know the Maddox quotes are old, but I can't help it. There's a Maddox quote for every occasion!

"I used to type in caps like you, but then I decided that I didn't want a job mixing concrete the rest of my life."