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"the State Board of Education on Thursday narrowly turned aside a last-ditch effort by social conservatives to require that "weaknesses" in the theory of evolution be taught in science classes in Texas."

Of course, in Texas, it would be narrowly.


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I thought that scientists, students and teachers had to be open-minded to any theory.

Now that's just what religions did in the middle age, we shouldn't act like them if we think we're any better.


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lol, we all came from monkeys

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At 4/7/09 12:45 PM, joabos wrote: I thought that scientists, students and teachers had to be open-minded to any theory.

Now that's just what religions did in the middle age, we shouldn't act like them if we think we're any better.

i know right, talk about double standards.

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Why must people be so arrogant about supporting their views that they won't even accept questioning of it?

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Well, anyone that doesn't believe in evolution, got to be a freaking reatarted
I mean, there's proofs
It's so simple that I can't accept people refusing to believe in a FACT like this

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We should just go back to living in stone houses and claiming that God is the answer for every question asked.


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At 4/7/09 12:45 PM, joabos wrote: I thought that scientists, students and teachers had to be open-minded to any theory.

True, but if a theory has an argument attached to it (such as the theory of evolution), and one side of the argument is significantly stronger than the other, then it is not necessarily required to teach both sides of it alongside each other.

Since the news report makes no attempt to say exactly what the 'weaknesses' of evolution are, it's difficult to say without knowing what evidence was brought up to cause this particular debate in the first place, let alone why it went in favour of simply teaching the strengths of evolution.


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Evolution makes sense.
Some wacko dude with a beard getting bored and making some dolls doesn't seem very plausible to me.

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They aren't doing this to be open minded about science; they are pushing to include a fundamentalist Christian perspective in American public schools, which is in violation of the first amendment to your constitution.

Of course, they would never care about any other scientific theory being questioned (eg. gravity) because it doesn't fit in with their agenda. It's just evolution, because it outright contradicts the Bible, and they are deathly afraid of it.

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At 4/7/09 12:48 PM, TheRadicalOne wrote: We should just go back to living in stone houses and claiming that God is the answer for every question asked.

We should just go back to living in apartments and suburban dwellings and claiming that our advances in science are the answer to all our questions.

We should just go back to lving in orbital colonies and claiming that Zultes and the Argonastics are the answer to all our problems.

We should just

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Look, there was animals in like 1.000 years ago, that doesn't exist anymore.
There's animals now, that didn't existe 1.000 year ago.

That's evolution godammit
People must think that when we talk about evolution, we're imagining a creture that starts to blink and shine and suddenly becomes another creature, just like a fucking pokemon
Evolution takes billions of years, and it's a basic thing about survival. If you don't have the capacity to survive in an habitat, your species will start to evolve at every generation becoming more suitable to survival
There's fossils that proof that once were more primitive human beings
Seriously, people just close their eyes like fucking childs and keep yelling "BLABLABLABLA" just so they don't need to face the reallity of this

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I love how about half of you are coming in here and shouting ITS REAL FUCK CHRISTIANITY IN THE ARSE IM HARDCORE LULZ.

Anyway, to the topic at hand. Despite being Christian, and not believing in evolution, I've got to say that I don't see any reason for them to have to teach reasons against.
The fact of the matter is, the things we have as scientific arguments right now seem to point towards evolution, and so if we're going to be teaching science, then we should be teaching what science says, and not have to worry about other things (Like religion) getting in the way of that.

Some Christians need to pull their heads out of their arses and accept other peoples opinions.

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Atheists? Open minded? HAH!

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Personally I believe in evolution but the human population will know for pretty much sure whether it's true or not in a few million years ( providing we start tracking progress today).
Then again we see evidence such as the classic example of finches in the galapogas being adapted to each island. There's also the Dodo too, it most likely adapted in the way that it did due to lack of predators and a plethora of food, the species had to reason to leave the island.

Of course, we can never prove a theory to be 100% correct. Take Newton's gravity, for 300 years it was unchallenged (or seldom challenged by flawed theories). However, Einstien comes along in the 1900's
( 30s is it?) with gravity not being a force between two objects but instead, the warping of space around any object. An easy way to understand this is by looking at a tramploine net. When an object is placed on the net, the area around it is curved, balls roll towards that objects, as well as some sliding towards it if the disturbance is big enough ( or if the surface doesn't provide enough friction).

I'm confident that evolution will stand the test of time due the evidence compared with religious alternatives, and no Im not bitching about religion, I've just lost faith.

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At 4/7/09 12:57 PM, Minion777 wrote:
At 4/7/09 12:48 PM, TheRadicalOne wrote: We should just
We should just

I have no idea how to reply to that, I don't even think I fully the point you're making, maybe I'm just getting too obsessed with religion topics on the internet...

Is this all just a huge argument over who is right about what?

In retrospect, do I sound like one of those raging atheists that needs to get off the internet??

I am perplexed.

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What about teaching the alternative theory of a flat earth or the alternative theory of the earth being the centre of the universe.

I mean, gee, let's be open minded about this. Not like those close-minded atheists! Snort snort!

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At 4/7/09 12:45 PM, joabos wrote: I thought that scientists, students and teachers had to be open-minded to any theory.

Now that's just what religions did in the middle age, we shouldn't act like them if we think we're any better.

So, teaching an unscientific theory at school, and treating it as equal to the one with actual proof behind it should be allowed just so science can be "the bigger man"?

Schools are supposed to teach facts.

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What people don't understand is that Creationism is a relatively new idea. Only about 50 years old. In fact, St. Augustine believed that Genesis was a load of fairy tales used to explain something as complex as God creating the universe and how there was hardly an once of truth. He also was one of the first people to think of evolution, although this was a very small, side idea that he never really developed. It could hardly even be called a theory.

Darwin was to first to really write the theory down and to elaborate on it, other than an early philosopher who looked at the idea at a very unscientific way. Upon its release, the origin of species was accepted by all, including Christians.

And then Creationists came along and screwed it all up.

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Evolution is just a theory, you know.

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At 4/7/09 12:56 PM, Victory wrote: because it outright contradicts the Bible,

no it doesn't.

Evolution doesn't explain the origins of life, its just about animals becoming smarter and being more suited to their enviorments.

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At 4/7/09 01:33 PM, TheRadicalOne wrote: I am perplexed.

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At 4/7/09 02:30 PM, homor wrote: no it doesn't.

Evolution doesn't explain the origins of life, its just about animals becoming smarter and being more suited to their enviorments.

The bible places humans as being more important than animals. It is not animals who go to heaven or hell, or who have to accept Jesus Christ in order to be saved; they are not regarded as important by God when compared with human affairs.

Evolution shows us that humans are animals, having evolved like any other. This is clearly incompatible with the (arrogant) Christian notion that humans are the most important beings in the universe.

Furthermore, what about Adam and Eve? Two homosapiens who magically happen to be our species billions of years before we evolved to get to that stage. How is that possible? (and if you say this story is metaphorical and not to be taken literally, then what was the original sin that Jesus suffered on the cross for?)

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At 4/7/09 01:41 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:
At 4/7/09 12:45 PM, joabos wrote: I thought that scientists, students and teachers had to be open-minded to any theory.

Now that's just what religions did in the middle age, we shouldn't act like them if we think we're any better.
So, teaching an unscientific theory at school, and treating it as equal to the one with actual proof behind it should be allowed just so science can be "the bigger man"?

Schools are supposed to teach facts.

Well to start, no, schools aren't supposed to teach facts. They're supposed to give you idea A or maybe B of things so YOU make your C.

And besides, the THEORY of evolution is not a fact. If discussion of it's flaws was banned, then it must has reasons for doubt. And that also works with everything else you learn at school, too- Which only supports my idea on the first paraghraph.


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At 4/7/09 02:46 PM, Victory wrote:
At 4/7/09 02:30 PM, homor wrote: no it doesn't.

Evolution doesn't explain the origins of life, its just about animals becoming smarter and being more suited to their enviorments.
The bible places humans as being more important than animals. It is not animals who go to heaven or hell, or who have to accept Jesus Christ in order to be saved; they are not regarded as important by God when compared with human affairs.

Evolution shows us that humans are animals, having evolved like any other. This is clearly incompatible with the (arrogant) Christian notion that humans are the most important beings in the universe.

Hmm, the thing is, why always replying with evolution is right and the Bible is wrong even if the previous statement said nothing about the Bible. It's not because a person points out that evolution isn't everything, that he automatically means to imply that the Bible is.

Evolution is a model and there will always be some points that are erroneous. Even gravity isn't as solid a theory as it would appear to be, according to the link posted earlier.

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