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Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 02:35 PM

I'm just wondering.

I'm in a band that does cover songs and I was wondering if I could submit our band doing a cover of say this song or something and if it would be allowed or not.

Thanks in advance.


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 02:43 PM

Covering songs from 'da portal' itself is fine.

Covering copyrighted songs, no go.


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 02:47 PM

At 4/5/09 02:43 PM, la-yinn wrote: Covering copyrighted songs, no go.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that covering ANY song, as long as you credit the author of the original is OK. As long as you don't say it's your own work, you should be fine.


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 02:48 PM

At 4/5/09 02:43 PM, la-yinn wrote: Covering songs from 'da portal' itself is fine.

Covering copyrighted songs, no go.

Absolutely false, you can definitely cover copyrighted songs as long as you credit the original artist and such.


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 02:50 PM

ya, it should be fine. Just give the artist name.


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 03:02 PM

At 4/5/09 02:48 PM, Kor-Rune wrote:
At 4/5/09 02:43 PM, la-yinn wrote: Covering songs from 'da portal' itself is fine.

Covering copyrighted songs, no go.
Absolutely false, you can definitely cover copyrighted songs as long as you credit the original artist and such.

My bad then. Probably confused it with copyrighted samples. Seems you learn something new every day. ;)


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 04:07 PM

So if I submitted something with this as the title:

"I want Out!!! (Helloween + Gamma Ray cover)"

It would be allowed and I wouldn't get banned?

Just a straight yes or no.

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 04:16 PM

At 4/5/09 04:07 PM, AniMetal wrote:
Just a straight yes or no.

Yes. You could also simply put an abbreviation in the title (such as "I Want Out (H+GR Cover)", and credit the authors fully in the comments.


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 04:41 PM

At 4/5/09 02:48 PM, Kor-Rune wrote:
At 4/5/09 02:43 PM, la-yinn wrote: Covering songs from 'da portal' itself is fine.

Covering copyrighted songs, no go.
Absolutely false, you can definitely cover copyrighted songs as long as you credit the original artist and such.

Also false. Simply crediting the rightful authors won't protect you from the wrath of the law, internet pal. You need permission from the copyright holder.

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 10:47 PM

At 4/5/09 04:41 PM, modem wrote: Also false. Simply crediting the rightful authors won't protect you from the wrath of the law, internet pal. You need permission from the copyright holder.

I feel like, for noncommercial use(and remember the CC wording on this site), this isn't true. Yes, if you distribute a cover on a CD, you need to pay royalties, but this isn't that.

Also, the general ruling in the past has always been 'covers are fine on NG'

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 11:17 PM

Covers are fine, DA gangsta lingo is not.


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 11:31 PM

Covering, resampling, remixing, or backward engineering any original song requires more than giving credit to the original author. Depending on which country you are residing in, you may or may not need permission from the original holder of the copyright. To my understanding, in the States, as long as you are NOT MAKING ANY MONEY WHATSOEVER ie. from purchases or PRIZE MONEY, all you have to do is credit the original author. Anything more requires consent. Otherwise you can, and WILL get sued, because people are out to make money, whether it be from their music, or SUING you for illegally using their music.

So in other words, if you never make money off of covering a song in the present or future, go ahead and credit him. You'll just never be able to legally make any money, or accept any money or any form of material identified as PROFIT for doing it. This includes submitting it for Newgrounds Audio contests. Since money is offered as a prize, it counts as PROFIT.

To be on the safe side, just don't submit anythign that is not 100% created by YOU. It sounds tough, and it is, but it encourage original creativity... :D

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 5th, 2009 @ 11:36 PM

At 4/5/09 11:31 PM, brokendeck wrote: stuff

Well, it's definitely not going to be posted for non-commercial, and I'm not sure there are many, if any audio contests around here that would accept a cover anyway.


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 12:18 AM

At 4/5/09 11:36 PM, Kor-Rune wrote:
At 4/5/09 11:31 PM, brokendeck wrote: stuff
Well, it's definitely not going to be posted for non-commercial, and I'm not sure there are many, if any audio contests around here that would accept a cover anyway.

Woah, I totally meant to say "definitely not going to be posted for commercial use"


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 12:51 AM

At 4/6/09 12:35 AM, benyue1978 wrote: There was a composer had a song
But covers are so lame-o
L - A - M - E - O
L - A - M - E - O
L - A - M - E - O
And covers are so lame-o

Nuff said

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 03:59 AM

I'd say it would be allowed, seeing as it isn't the actual recording of of the original song. I don't think it's possible to copyright words and a sequence of notes.

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 04:27 AM

At 4/6/09 03:59 AM, Alchemist94 wrote: I don't think it's possible to copyright words and a sequence of notes.

Well, if you go so far, you could define entire songs as sequences of notes (that are, from time to time, followed by some words). There are, of course, a lot of songs that use similar riffs/melodies/beats, but going into this "sequence of notes" debate isn't the best answer, believe me.

Especially if you consider the original song nothing more than a sequence of notes, because if that could actually be taken into account, anyone could play the song without having to state that he isn't the original author.

But yes, above all this copyright bullshit, it's 100% OK if you submit a cover of the song. As long as you don't use any parts of the original, you're in the clear.


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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 09:50 AM

Ask yourself *is my track an added extra for NG*
If its a cover, I wonder how much it would gain for the AP itself...
The whole idea of the AP is that people can use music which is
ROYALTY FREE.

In other words, that flashcreators don't have to use copyrighted songs
and that NG doesnt get a fine from buma stemra or whatever f*ck*d gangster
company who claim to own all the music...

So... imo... I think a cover is just a nogo.
What do you want to gain?
Fame? At NG? Or just a show-off what you can do?

Is your track useble for a flashcreator yes or no?
If yes, continue the topic.
If no... start to be orignal and upload something which
you created yourself.

one last thing... showing that you are able to copy
somebodies idea is not creative... show us
what you can create yourself! Then you are a
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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 10:22 AM

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covers are allowed..

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 10:27 AM

I dont see any reference to an original artist...?

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 10:35 AM

At 4/6/09 03:59 AM, Alchemist94 wrote: I don't think it's possible to copyright words and a sequence of notes.

Yes, it is - lyrics, sheet music, tablature, etc. is all copyright-able material. Dudes get sued for this all the time too.

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 11:02 AM

At 4/6/09 10:35 AM, modem wrote:
At 4/6/09 03:59 AM, Alchemist94 wrote: I don't think it's possible to copyright words and a sequence of notes.
Yes, it is - lyrics, sheet music, tablature, etc. is all copyright-able material. Dudes get sued for this all the time too.

Besides that.. I think that words and a sequence of notes is what we basicly descirbe as music...which is copy protected... see the connection?

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 03:50 PM

To be honest I really don't have a clue what you just said.

The music industry is brutal and ruthless. Copyright laws are out of control. There isn't really a fine line between plagiarism and originality; it's just a blurry arguable mess, and publishers love to argue.

You've probably been out to a restaurant a few times before and got to witness the servers singing for someone's birthday. It's almost always some variation of "Happy Birthday to You," but you'll notice it's never the original - mostly because they don't want to have to pay for a performing license. That's right.

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 6th, 2009 @ 11:57 PM

At 4/6/09 12:51 AM, la-yinn wrote:
At 4/6/09 12:35 AM, benyue1978 wrote: There was a composer had a song
But covers are so lame-o
L - A - M - E - O
L - A - M - E - O
L - A - M - E - O
And covers are so lame-o

Nuff said
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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 7th, 2009 @ 06:27 AM

At 4/6/09 10:35 AM, modem wrote:
At 4/6/09 03:59 AM, Alchemist94 wrote: I don't think it's possible to copyright words and a sequence of notes.
Yes, it is - lyrics, sheet music, tablature, etc. is all copyright-able material. Dudes get sued for this all the time too.

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 7th, 2009 @ 07:50 AM

At 4/5/09 02:45 PM, statueofdiveo wrote: wait, i don't know... Since you can do remixes, why not covers?

Uhm... Remixes and covers are nothing like eachother... At least not in terms of electronic music, since i don't think the term cover have EVER bin used on an electronic track.
A cover is when one band plays another bands song. A remix on the other hand is when one artist/band make their OWN version of another artist/bands song.
A cover song will be verry simmilar to the original song where as the remix most likely will be a totaly different tune from the original.
And with all due respect to cover artists: It takes alot more work to make a remix then it does to make a cover.

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Response to Cover songs in da portal - Allowed? Apr. 7th, 2009 @ 09:37 AM

Wrong.
A cover song can be different in a very creative way.
Almost all "Be-Bop" era in jazz is out of syrupy love ballads transformed in crazy fast tempo impossible to play tracks... Also, here on NG, all "Game Music" genre is covers or remixes.

People seems to misunderstand terms.
Remix - A remixer uses audio mixing to compose an alternate master recording of a song, adding or subtracting elements, or simply changing the equalization, dynamics, pitch, tempo, playing time, or almost any other aspect of the various musical components.
Because remixes may borrow heavily from an existing piece of music (possibly more than one), the issue of intellectual property becomes a concern.

Cover - a new rendition (performance or recording) of a previously recorded, commercially released song.Cover songs often fall under a mechanical license whereby the cover artist pays a standard royalty to the original artist, and is safe under copyright law even if they do not have any permission from the original artist.
Cover versions of many popular songs have been recorded, sometimes with a radically different style, sometimes virtually indistinguishable from the original.

As a radical change, you should listen to "A Jazz Tribute to the Beatles", then you would agree that covers can be VERY creative.

Also I see here used term of "remix from scratch" which annoys me very much.
A remix is supposed to use some of the original work, so, according to NG rules ALL REMIXES should not be allowed. But "remix from scratch" means actually recreating the song by yourself (from tabs, music sheets, by ear...), so, it's in fact a cover version.