G20. World government.

[CogSpin]

The G20 just signed a global stimulus bill... Obama said that it's not good enough for one country to take action anymore. It must be a global, co-ordinated effort and that every country must take the same action or face dire consequences... So this is it. This is the world government.

A reporter asked him, what about local politics? And he basically shrugged it off. He's also speaking very, very slowly in response to these questions, showing just how bad he is at speaking without a teleprompter.

Let me explain why this is a travesty, for those who don't understand.

19 of these G20 leaders have not been elected by us. So the democracy is RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW. Bye bye..

And of course, no one has elected the Chinese Premier or the King of Saudi Arabia... so this is open monarchy setting world policy.

Not to mention the hundreds of other countries not represented by any leader.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Obama may be a scumbag of a human being, but "World-Goverment-Takeover" seems a BIT much.
Besides, the whole thing is doomed to fall apart anyways.

[CogSpin]

At 4/2/09 03:56 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote: Obama may be a scumbag of a human being, but "World-Goverment-Takeover" seems a BIT much.
Besides, the whole thing is doomed to fall apart anyways.

So the King of Saudi Arabia setting policy that affects you is not a world government?

Did you or anyone else elect the King of Saudi Arabia?

[RedGlare]

At 4/2/09 03:37 PM, Mr-Money wrote: The G20 just signed a global stimulus bill... Obama said that it's not good enough for one country to take action anymore. It must be a global, co-ordinated effort and that every country must take the same action or face dire consequences... So this is it. This is the world government.

Actually many of the G20 nations have enacted separate economic controls. Some accuse the Obama administrations auto industries bail out Protectionism by another name, what withits incentives to buy American.

A reporter asked him, what about local politics? And he basically shrugged it off. He's also speaking very, very slowly in response to these questions, showing just how bad he is at speaking without a teleprompter.

Let me explain why this is a travesty, for those who don't understand.

19 of these G20 leaders have not been elected by us. So the democracy is RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW. Bye bye..

And of course, no one has elected the Chinese Premier or the King of Saudi Arabia... so this is open monarchy setting world policy.

I'm afraid I'm going to be pedantic here but the Chinese Premier Wen Jinbao was elected President by the er.. Chinese Communist Party which has a membership of 74million which while not open and fair is more then the entire electorate of many western Democracies.

Not to mention the hundreds of other countries not represented by any leader.

[JackPhantasm]

Were not elected by us? That doesn't fucking matter. Global government > separated battling states

[CogSpin]

At 4/2/09 04:16 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: Were not elected by us? That doesn't fucking matter. Global government > separated battling states

No, because the people are not involved directly.

[JackPhantasm]

At 4/2/09 04:20 PM, Mr-Money wrote:
No, because the people are not involved directly.

So what? People are idiots.

[Ericho]

At 4/2/09 03:56 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote: Obama may be a scumbag of a human being, but "World-Goverment-Takeover" seems a BIT much.

What's he done so far that's made him such a scumbag in the first place?

[Jizzlebang]

Countries working cooperativly isn't the new world order or a new government or anything like that. You might as well say that the U.N is a world government. It's not, it's a forum for discussion. Just like G20.

Take off your aluminium foil hat.

[DirtySyko]

WHATCHYA GONNA DO BROTHER?

[SonicSheep]

At 4/2/09 03:37 PM, Mr-Money wrote: The G20 just signed a global stimulus bill... Obama said that it's not good enough for one country to take action anymore. It must be a global, co-ordinated effort and that every country must take the same action or face dire consequences... So this is it. This is the world government.

All the important countries (The ones at G20) affect each other in some way, at least with this there working together.

A reporter asked him, what about local politics? And he basically shrugged it off. He's also speaking very, very slowly in response to these questions, showing just how bad he is at speaking without a teleprompter.

Let me explain why this is a travesty, for those who don't understand.

19 of these G20 leaders have not been elected by us. So the democracy is RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW. Bye bye..

Well Democracy is overated anyway :D
And whoever your leader is, is still acting in the best interests of your country, except now hes working with other world leaders to archieve greater results. Obama affects nearly every country on the planet, yet no one apart from Americans voted for him.
Like wise, Brown, Harper and Sarkozy all influence some of Obama's desicions in some way but they were put in power by the British, Canadians and French Respectivly.

And of course, no one has elected the Chinese Premier or the King of Saudi Arabia... so this is open monarchy setting world policy.

As with before, the chinese leader or Saudi King both play major roles in global Politics, the whole point of the G20 is so they can co-ordinate their efforts a bit in order to make things better for people world wide.

Not to mention the hundreds of other countries not represented by any leader.

Because their not important enough.

My argument is at the very least touched upon by the other users here, so I won't waste time going into it again. I'm for the global co-operation that is promoted by the G20. As usual, I'm basing my feelings off historical processes, and how horribly mismanaged things were when significant leaders refused to get together on the grounds of hopeless alliances or agreements or whatever.

Let us not forget that there are not just twenty representatives, but nations that may be relegated to "observers" but continuing to play some role in the world. The economic problems affect them too remember, so we need to work together on that front.

I believe there are representatives for almost key institutions in today's world, like the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank attending also. Obviously with the economic basis, they are important too. I am glad to see leaders get together at this stage, but my constant fear is that not enough will be done, or perhaps looking down and thinking that these men and women are just single humans, how effective will they ever be?

As usual, I will be looking out for further developments.

[Ledgey]

Well I don't see any other way in dealing with the crisis except a firm international economic deal. If you consider international cooperation to be a "World Government" then think what you want. This can't be dealt with using local politics.

It's what has to be done.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

Because International Cooperation is obviously World Government?

Epic, epic, fail.

Cooperation does not equate to Global Government. Using your standards we've had a World Government since the fucking Geneva conventions were first adopted in th 19th century. Do I really have to elabourate as to how obviously wrong such a statement as ' We've had World Government since the Late 19th century' is?