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... I'm done....

At 1/11/04 03:04 AM, Jimsween wrote: Awwwwwww, SNAP! True-lies you gots da major debate mackin skillz and you just PWNed dat mofo's ass. He be trippin if he think dat his debatin skillz can take yours, cause you gotz your debatezorz on and nutinz gunnaz ztop you! zzz!

Fo' rizzle? Dawg, you know ah ain't gawnna let no mark-ass trick, skigs, skags, skig-sags or scolly-whops win me owen a debayte!

Unleash the inner gangsta! Just don' be gettin' no blud on ya nails when ya'll be cappin' dem pigs! - True Lies, first ever metrosexual/gangsta

At 1/11/04 02:56 AM, True-Lies wrote:

At 1/9/04 12:52 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: And true-lies, you are a loser by saying every vegetarian is stupid you are stupid.

Ok Veggie, I can respect your stance on this. But the simple fact of the matter is that unless you grow and pick your own food, you are no better than the "murderers" that you dub us meat lovers. The fact that I have stated, and that you have seen (but didn't care to acknowledge) is that in fact, YOUR DIET is responsible for the death of MILLIONS of field animals caught in the harvesting combines every year. If you would have dropped your BS anti-American tyrade for just a moment and read a bit more carefully, you would have seen that my whole statement went like this, "First of all, since you are a vegeterian, you are automatically unintellegent, unless of course you grow your own food".

What kind of bullshit is that? I guess you think I'm a vegetarian because I want to end the killing of animals and this happens anyway, because there are also animals killed in harvesting machines. Okay, let me just tell you why I am a vegetarian: Not because I think I'm making the world any better, not because I think it would end all animal suffering, it is because I don't feel comfortable eating a corpse. I wouldn't like it that when I've finished my meal I have to think: "this animal was deliberatly killed for my luxury." Also, I don't support the way meat is being produced. If all meat was made out of healthy animals, who would have plenty of space and do not get pumped full of hormones, then I might not have been a vegetarian at all. Also a little fun fact: to feed the livestock for meat production in my small country for example you need harvesting land the zeven times the size of that same country. This food is often produced in third world countries. Instead of feeding those poor people, we use it to fatten our pigs. Comprende?

Let me take a step in the direction of the noble jackass (the direction which Veggie has probably been since the first time he saw a PETA commercial) and make a few broad generalization about you. I bet you're the same type of jerk who's mainly a vegeterian so that you can tell people it with the smug satisfaction of the knowledge (or so you think) that you are above this meat eating facist. The simple fact that your name points to you being a vegeterian is all the evidence I need of that.

I've never seen a PETA commercial in my live, thank you very much. But indeed, I enjoy the respect I get from some people for the fact that I'm a veggie. But there are also a lot of dickheads like you who don't respect it and laugh about it. Despite that, I keep to my ideals. Indeed, my name points to my being a vegetarian, for I am proud of being so. Sew me.

You're the type of college drop-out who dosen't care about getting his facts straight; you've apparently got all the "right" answers, and you'll be damned if anyone else will tell you something diffrent. You don't need the support of something we here on this little place called "Earth" call "evidence" to support your claims. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that you also shun a revolutionary idea called "logic".

Well my friend, could you give me any evidence to prove me wrong? nope. I know I have no proof for my statement. I did not started this threat to show how great and well informed I am. If I wanted to do that, I would not do it here, where I would probably just get flamed by boneheads like you. I posted this so I could hear other sides of the story and get better informed, so I would be better able to form an opinion. Some people here (not you) have been most helpful to that.

The evidence is there; the dumbass with his family was supposed to STOP at the military check-point. He drove through and got himself and his family killed. The soldiers in question, unless you can prove otherwise (and I'm sure you'll try, logic be damned of course) that they were somehow in violation of the law in firing upon a potential suicide bomber.

If you would have read before you sprayed, you would have read me saying that the car stuff was an example, and as I see now, not a very good one. So I admit you are right about that. Happy? (didn't expect that to happen, ditcha?)

To quote a certain hellish and sarcastic demon that we all know and love, "Veggie Meal, you sir, are a FUCKING, MORON. Thank you, thank you.".

To quote a certain artist all comic fans know and love: "I think it's sad when monkey's don't realize that THEY are the simple ones."

wow now that veggie has been totally proven wrong, he has nothing more to do except to try and save face by flaming people ...... this thread was a complete waste of space

At 1/11/04 12:43 PM, PretzelLogic88 wrote: wow now that veggie has been totally proven wrong, he has nothing more to do except to try and save face by flaming people ...... this thread was a complete waste of space

That wasn't a flame, white a well written post, really.

At 1/11/04 12:43 PM, PretzelLogic88 wrote: this thread was a complete waste of space

A-hem:

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=104716

Talk about waste of space....

At 1/11/04 08:45 AM, Veggiemeal wrote:
I wouldn't like it that when I've finished my meal I have to think: "this animal was deliberatly killed for my luxury."

Typical vegeterian. Thank you, Veggie, for once again ignoring the point, which is that animals are already being killed for your luxury. You COULD do more to help out animals, but you won't, because it would be too hard to pick and grow your own food.

Also, I don't support the way meat is being produced. If all meat was made out of healthy animals, who would have plenty of space and do not get pumped full of hormones, then I might not have been a vegetarian at all.

Bull. There's such a thing as kosher meat, and you're still a vegeterian.

Also a little fun fact: to feed the livestock for meat production in my small country for example you need harvesting land the zeven times the size of that same country. This food is often produced in third world countries. Instead of feeding those poor people, we use it to fatten our pigs. Comprende?

Oh yes, I "comprende". The simple fact is that not all land is the same; you can't grow things everywhere on earth. The desert is a nice example of this. Looks like you've been one upped again, cabrone.

I've never seen a PETA commercial in my live, thank you very much. But indeed, I enjoy the respect I get from some people for the fact that I'm a veggie.

I seriously doubt you get any respect for being a vegeterian. This further proves my point that the main reason you're "veggie" is so that you can claim to be above other people.

But there are also a lot of dickheads like you who don't respect it and laugh about it.

Yeah, I am a dickhead. But I can respect someone who legitametly wants to end animal suffering, and don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of them. You see, vegeterians who actually care about the animals don't go around telling everyone they see about their dieting habits.

Despite that, I keep to my ideals. Indeed, my name points to my being a vegetarian, for I am proud of being so. Sew me.

There's nothing to be proud of. You're directly responsible for killing millions of animals with your diet. Don't act like just because you don't kill animals "directly" that you're off the hook. A killer who kills 5 people is just as bad as one who kills 10.

Well my friend, could you give me any evidence to prove me wrong?

I don't have to. Just like I said, you don't give a damn about logic. You've claimed something, so it's YOUR responsibility to prove it, not mine to disprove it. What's to stop someone from coming in here and saying that hamburgers love to be eaten? With your logic, you would have to go out of your way to disprove this person's theory. With my logic, this person would have to back up his claims with serious evidence.

nope. I know I have no proof for my statement. I did not started this threat to show how great and well informed I am. If I wanted to do that, I would not do it here, where I would probably just get flamed by boneheads like you.

Yes, I've disproved your idiotic xenophobic theory, and I'M the bonehead... Unbelieveable.

I posted this so I could hear other sides of the story and get better informed, so I would be better able to form an opinion. Some people here (not you) have been most helpful to that.

No, I contend that you started this thread so that you could spread your anti-American garbage. We can all see from the very topic of this thread, "U.S. Soldiers Get Away With Everything" that you have a nasty disposition towards the U.S. government. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

So I admit you are right about that. Happy? (didn't expect that to happen, ditcha?)

Can't say I did.

To quote a certain artist all comic fans know and love: "I think it's sad when monkey's don't realize that THEY are the simple ones."

Wow, I didn't realise that you'd throw in a quote that would strengthen my argument! Talk about irony.

And just to keep the beat going, "Vegeterians are dipshits." - Maddox

At 1/11/04 01:14 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 1/11/04 12:43 PM, PretzelLogic88 wrote: wow now that veggie has been totally proven wrong, he has nothing more to do except to try and save face by flaming people ...... this thread was a complete waste of space

That wasn't a flame, white a well written post, really.

Actually Veggie has been doing a considerable amount of flaming, but so has the opposing side.

And if I may put my $.02 in, how is killing a bunch of plants any less wrong then killing a turkey, who isn't even smart enough to breed on it's own.

At 1/12/04 12:20 AM, Jimsween wrote: And if I may put my $.02 in, how is killing a bunch of plants any less wrong then killing a turkey, who isn't even smart enough to breed on it's own.

Yes, and how do you think they get rid of the insects that threaten the fruits and vegetables? They sure as hell don't put up signs asking the bugs to politely leave...

OGM! Wie i5 et teh sp00ky? Teh PWNage of teh Darkener! ph33r! ph33r!

But seriously, if you REALLY care about doing things humanely, not eating corpses, etc, grow your own damn food. Corn's easy as shit to grow by hand, along with squashes and beans. Between those three you've got a balanced diet. However, if you're buying them from a store, youre shooting yourself in the foot. If you WANT to live like a caveman, go right ahead. Minimalism and vegetarianism are great concepts for monks in monasteries. However, if you want to be on the side of progress, I suggest you drop your semi-religious vegan drivel and realize science says to eat meat, as it is the easiest way to supply your body with protein. Otherwise you have to pump your own body full of those "chemicals" (aka vitamins) you despise us meat eaters for using on animals.

We don't live in teletubby funland. We live in the REAL WORLD, where people and animals ARE FORCED to kill to survive. If you'd rather die than fight back, that's your choice. Frankly, I'd rather you hurry it up, because your holding those of us who want to LIVE our lives back with your regressionist, minimalist, oversimplistic drivel.

US soldiers != Vegetarianism?

At 1/11/04 11:20 PM, True-Lies wrote: Bull. There's such a thing as kosher meat, and you're still a vegeterian.

Firstly, is kosker meat not pumped full of hormones? Is it given plenty of space? As far as I know, "Kosher" means that it was killed while being overseen by a rabbi, using the methods dictated by the bible or whatever. This means slicing it's throat, if I'm correct? Veggie is a vegetarian, so I won't go into the whole milk debate. Naturally, unless your buying 'organic' milk that's 2x the price, you'r getting a whole shitload of hormones there too..

Oh yes, I "comprende". The simple fact is that not all land is the same; you can't grow things everywhere on earth. The desert is a nice example of this. Looks like you've been one upped again, cabrone.

Nope, deserts do suck. But former, lush forests and jungles in places like S. America make a great place for cows for ol' McDonalds. Ok, this is just a personal thing, but I'd rather keep ancient forests and jungles with thousands of dif. species than create more grazing land. Just me though.

There's nothing to be proud of. You're directly responsible for killing millions of animals with your diet. Don't act like just because you don't kill animals "directly" that you're off the hook. A killer who kills 5 people is just as bad as one who kills 10.

Yes, I have no way of responding to this tired argument from maddox or whatever the fuck that site is. Animals die. We walk on them, we eat them, we pave roads over them, we grind them up into our corn. *shrug* ok.

No, I contend that you started this thread so that you could spread your anti-American garbage. We can all see from the very topic of this thread, "U.S. Soldiers Get Away With Everything" that you have a nasty disposition towards the U.S. government. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

This topic did kind of have flame-bait written all over it.

And just to keep the beat going, "Vegeterians are dipshits." - Maddox

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
- Albert Einstein

hey, you quote maddox, i'll quote einstein, but don't think I'm going 'all superior' on your ass. The furthest thing on my mind when I became vegan was to 'feel superior' to people on an online bulletin board..

At 1/12/04 12:38 AM, JudgeFUNK wrote: But seriously, if you REALLY care about doing things humanely, not eating corpses, etc, grow your own damn food. Corn's easy as shit to grow by hand, along with squashes and beans.

Huh, go figure, we do grow those things. But, unfortunatly, we also have to make money to buy things such as clothes, etc., and can't devote all of our time to growing food. I don't see why vegetarians can't buy food from the supermarket though, so I do... hmm, sorry to inconvience you.

However, if you want to be on the side of progress, I suggest you drop your semi-religious vegan drivel and realize science says to eat meat, as it is the easiest way to supply your body with protein. Otherwise you have to pump your own body full of those "chemicals" (aka vitamins) you despise us meat eaters for using on animals.

Americans are bloated with protein these days.
"We need about 0.75g of protein per kilo of our body weight, which, for most people, equates to having a daily portion of lean protein roughly the size of a chicken breast for their main meal, plus an additional portion half this size as part of a smaller meal or snack." ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/healthyeating/ask_protein.shtml )

So, for me, that means I should get 60 grams of protein daily. The single meal I ate today put me well over 100 grams of protein.

As far as vitamins go, I don't have any daily regiment. Oh no, I'm sure your all concerned about my B12 intake. I'm not. Fortified soy milks, cereals, etc. provide me with enough B12. A balanced meal without meat will, surprise surprise, provide me with enough vitamins.

Last time I checked, BGH was not a vitamin, and instead was a hormone which was linked to increased rates of cancer.

We don't live in teletubby funland. We live in the REAL WORLD, where people and animals ARE FORCED to kill to survive. If you'd rather die than fight back, that's your choice. Frankly, I'd rather you hurry it up, because your holding those of us who want to LIVE our lives back with your regressionist, minimalist, oversimplistic drivel.

Firstly, I don't see vegetarians dying off in large droves, and I also don't see them holding back your obviously important lives.

At 1/11/04 11:20 PM, True-Lies wrote: But I can respect someone who legitametly wants to end animal suffering, and don't give a damn what anyone else thinks of them. You see, vegeterians who actually care about the animals don't go around telling everyone they see about their dieting habits.

If you would have read more carefully (which I'm sure you did, you just wanted to debate me anyhow) you would have noticed that I said I DO respect vegeterians who go vegenterian just to help the animals. Veggiemeal has the fact that he's vegeterian in his name, and the fact that he's going on against America again prompted me to point out the fact that his diet dosen't make him superior to anyone else (as it's obvious he thinks so).

At 1/12/04 02:01 AM, True-Lies wrote: If you would have read more carefully (which I'm sure you did, you just wanted to debate me anyhow) you would have noticed that I said I DO respect vegeterians who go vegenterian just to help the animals.

Yes, I did read this part, left it out, and looking back on my post, there really only was the first thing about Kosher meat. I don't know if 'kosher' means anything besides the way it was slaughtered, I didn't think so. And regardless, this isn't necesserily more humane. In the case of chickens (which I know alittle more about than cattle) most non-kosher places hang the birds, duck them into water, and 'shock' them (of course, sometimes it's an inadequate charge, off-topic), then kill em. Kosher way of killing? AFAIK, it's simply slitting the bird's neck with a rabbi watching (what do you have to do as a rabbi to get that job??)

What do you expect them to do? Let the cow die of old age? As far as I know, Kosher is "pure" beef, not pumped full of hormones. I think Funk mentioned it in the PETA thread, but I've forgotten.

I know at least in my area they have "natural" beef which is basically a cow grown up free range without any junk put into them or special feed. But it is substantially more expensive, and it could just be because I live in rural minnesota and can't go anywhere without seeing at least four cornfields on my way.

When did this turn into a topic about vegetarianism?

At 1/12/04 02:21 AM, True-Lies wrote: What do you expect them to do? Let the cow die of old age? As far as I know, Kosher is "pure" beef, not pumped full of hormones. I think Funk mentioned it in the PETA thread, but I've forgotten.

Well, when dairy cows do die of 'old age' (nowadays because of waay overmilking & BGH- means around age five) they are just ground up into beef. so... =P

But, I was wrong about the killing of chickens. Poultry is, actually, the only animal that is not required to be shocked before being killed. All other types need to be shocked, then killed (unless they're being killed through some kind of ritual (ie. kosher))

I looked around a bit, and still believe "Kosher-Certified" means nothing other than this:
The animal is alive, unshocked, and it's throat is slit, in the presence of a Rabbi. It's then bled.

To buy meat that is not pumped with hormones, etc., one must look for the designation "All Natural" or similar. Now, many Kosher slaughterhouses deal with all natural cows, etc., but kosher in itself means nothing re: hormones.

But yes, beef does exist out there that has not been pumped with hormones.

At 1/12/04 02:54 AM, red_skunk wrote: Well, when dairy cows do die of 'old age' (nowadays because of waay overmilking & BGH- means around age five) they are just ground up into beef. so... =P

Hey, punching a spear through it's neck is just as good as letting it die of old age. :P

But yes, beef does exist out there that has not been pumped with hormones.

So in other words, Veggie DOES have an alternative. Muahahaha! Does anything taste quite as good as victory...? Oh yes, a nice juicy steak would hit the spot.

At 1/9/04 12:52 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: uber patriotic Americans (except for that one UK guy, but he's just a butt-kisser). You can call me names as much as you want, I don't give a shit if all you can give me are stupid responses like this.

Dear oh dear, looks like I hit a nerve. Did you not notice me having a huge argument with the US soldier over global politics? We ended up seeing each others points of view in the end, that's what happens when you get a bit older and actually try to learn something instead of trying to win an argument for the sake of face. The reason nobody is taking you seriously is because not only is your argument riddled with holes, but also because you take every opportunity to make lame attacks on the characters of others. I'm not criticising attacking someones character mind, just doing it in a lame way. Now shush.

At 1/12/04 03:50 AM, True-Lies wrote:

At 1/12/04 02:54 AM, red_skunk wrote: But yes, beef does exist out there that has not been pumped with hormones.

So in other words, Veggie DOES have an alternative. Muahahaha! Does anything taste quite as good as victory...? Oh yes, a nice juicy steak would hit the spot.

haha, ok, yes, there is an alternative to hormone'd beef. Of course it's damn expensive, I'm sure (but then tofu isn't the cheapest stuff in the world either..).

I really don't miss beef, pork, chicken.. And I ate a lot. Sometimes if I'm around some trout or good fish tho, I get sad..

" Save a cow, eat a vegetarian "

Oh wait, I just got enlightened. ``Debate`` in this BBS is really nothing more than two sides bringing out websites, books, and porn magazines to say ``you`re wrong, asshole.`` In the end, no understanding has been reached, no compromises.

That doesn`t mean that we all love eacch other, right? Right?

At 1/14/04 03:33 PM, Unpossibility wrote: Oh wait, I just got enlightened. ``Debate`` in this BBS is really nothing more than two sides etc...

Well, I've been visiting this forum for almost a year and I've allowed myself to learn new things and change my opinions. But in the long run, you're mostly right. It’s almost futile to try and make someone see things your way here. Whenever you show someone the wrongs, someone will pop in and try to justify them.

At 1/14/04 03:39 PM, Dagodevas wrote: Well, I've been visiting this forum for almost a year and I've allowed myself to learn new things and change my opinions. But in the long run, you're mostly right. It’s almost futile to try and make someone see things your way here. Whenever you show someone the wrongs, someone will pop in and try to justify them.

Hence, The Problems of the Future, Today?

Now I´m becoming depressed at the fact that nothing that I do, or say will make one bit of difference in the world. But, I´ll get over it, once I decide to do something more mindless, like play video games, or clip my nails.

At 1/14/04 03:33 PM, Unpossibility wrote: Oh wait, I just got enlightened. ``Debate`` in this BBS is really nothing more than two sides bringing out websites, books, and porn magazines to say ``you`re wrong, asshole.`` In the end, no understanding has been reached, no compromises.

You're kinda right, but there are compromises reached. I suppose you could say that we just have very deeply rotted opinions. Most of the arguments on this board are matters of moral and principle (Abortion/Homosexual Rights) so ther is no right or wrong.

At 1/14/04 03:53 PM, Unpossibility wrote:

Now I´m becoming depressed at the fact that nothing that I do, or say will make one bit of difference in the world. But, I´ll get over it, once I decide to do something more mindless, like play video games, or clip my nails.

You'll understand when you get a job that the reason the world is so fucked up is because everyones too busy to even pay attention to whats going on. The only people who actually give a rats ass are powerless to do anything about it because the people in charge refuse to take them seriously due to their age. The old know nothing, the middle aged know a bit, and the young know everything.

At 1/15/04 05:19 AM, cockjockey wrote:

:The old know nothing, the middle aged know a bit, and the young know everything.

Ha! I'm 4 years younger than you! Bow down to the superior intelligence that is within me!

Does this mean that Jimsween is the MOST knowledgeable regular here?