Replace M16's Now

[duranduran]

We're losing the war in iraq because our soldiers are shooting their fucking shitty pieces of plastic thats jamming. As one soldier tries to fix his jam, a saudi arabian terrorist fires a RPG at him and kills him. The problem is, m16s are now 50 years old. LOOK at wikiperida.

What we need to do is get the far cooler AK-47's or AK-103's that don't jam. Also AK-47s are more accurate and don't have shitty plastic parts like M16's. Barack Obama is causing big mistakes with the M16, and John McCain would have made the right choice to use the fucknig sexy AK-47 as the main gun of the US Army. I mean, are we still fighting WW2? We need a gun that works as cool as a German STG44 with Aperature sights.

[Grammar-Nazi]

It's not exactly that easy to replace every rifle we have out there right now, especially with the economy right now.

[DM692]

1.You play too many video games.
2. I don't like you because you stole your username from a band.

[TAUfanatic]

At 3/24/09 11:53 PM, duranduran wrote: We're losing the war in iraq....

how about we just stop fighting in Iraq?
and if we were to adopt a new gun,I'd say the FAMAS assault rifle,I don't much about guns but I think its the coolest looking gun ever

[duranduran]

At 3/24/09 11:55 PM, Adio wrote: Another thread made by someone who thinks they know guns because they played CoD4.

I learned bullet drop from Killzone 2.

No joke.

Guns have muzzle velocity and muzzle length, caliber, and bullet drop.

I know more guns that you.

I fired a gun in the US Army too. Fucking M16s suck.

[duranduran]

Nerd.

D&D is for people with no fucking life.

[manonthemoon516]

At 3/24/09 11:53 PM, duranduran wrote: The problem is, m16s are now 50 years old.

And you are suggesting that they be replaced with a gun that's 62 years old. It's called the AK-47 for a reason.

[Seriana]

I heard playing Counter-Strike made you an expert in artillery combat and military tactics

[duranduran]

At 3/25/09 12:02 AM, Adio wrote:

At 3/25/09 12:01 AM, duranduran wrote: Nerd.

D&D is for people with no fucking life.

So what if I play D&D? It doesn't mean I have no life, it means I enjoy playing a game.

You're a troll.

You play too much D&D, calling people trolls.

[Glowstick-warroir]

Acully we have a rather large contract with the people who make m16, changing firearms would make us both lose alot of money.

And there are way better weapons then the ak47. the isreal army use's a much more effective assult rife... I don't recall the name but it's supper light and supper accrate.

[Eclipse]

At 3/25/09 12:04 AM, duranduran wrote:

At 3/25/09 12:02 AM, Adio wrote:

At 3/25/09 12:01 AM, duranduran wrote: Nerd.

D&D is for people with no fucking life.

So what if I play D&D? It doesn't mean I have no life, it means I enjoy playing a game.

You're a troll.

You play too much D&D, calling people trolls.

NOOB FIGHT!

No caps

[Drake]

How about we don't use terrorist weapons, and get some good weapons from them there Italians and Germans.

Shut the fuck up about weapons, M4 Carbines are decent-equipped weapons, unlike the M16.

Also dunbanme

[Electric-Bla]

At 3/24/09 11:57 PM, duranduran wrote: Guns have muzzle velocity and muzzle length, caliber, and bullet drop.
I know more guns that you.

BUWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

I fired a gun in the US Army too. Fucking M16s suck.

Oh god this troll is hilarious.

[MexicanGun]

Here we go again. The same fucking shit, over and over.

inb4 "stop playing so much CoD4"

[Helogale]

What the hell makes you think the AK is more accurate? The M16 will probably be replaced by the Barret M468.

[SupraAddict]

You haven't persuaded me. M16s stay, everything is fine, and you misspelled "Wikipedia," great job.

[Wrinkles]

Actually, M4s are far more common these days than M16s. I'd say really the only people I've seen still using the M16A4 is the Marines.

[Gustavos]

At 3/24/09 11:53 PM, duranduran wrote: We're losing the war in iraq because our soldiers are shooting their fucking shitty pieces of plastic thats jamming. As one soldier tries to fix his jam, a saudi arabian terrorist fires a RPG at him and kills him. The problem is, m16s are now 50 years old. LOOK at wikiperida.

I'm all for a new type of Assualt rifle more stable than the M16. Who cares which gun's bullet flies 1/50 of a second faster than the other?

What we need to do is get the far cooler AK-47's or AK-103's that don't jam. Also AK-47s are more accurate and don't have shitty plastic parts like M16's.

They're actually less accurate, with their standard stocks. But guns mad of carved wood will handle better than that hardened plastic. But then again, which do you think costs half as much as the other?

Barack Obama is causing big mistakes with the M16, and John McCain would have made the right choice to use the fucknig sexy AK-47 as the main gun of the US Army.

Funny, I assume it would have been the other way around. What with Obama being half-black. When has either candidate every mentioned ANYTHING about the standard issue weapons carried by our soldiers?

I mean, are we still fighting WW2?

The AK-47 was developed years later, get your fucking facts straight.

We need a gun that works as cool as a German STG44 with Aperature sights.

And stop playing World at War. That gun is complete shit compared to the firepower of the simple pistol in each guy's pocket.

[TimeforplanB]

At 3/24/09 11:53 PM, duranduran wrote: We're losing the war in iraq because our soldiers are shooting their fucking shitty pieces of plastic thats jamming. As one soldier tries to fix his jam, a saudi arabian terrorist fires a RPG at him and kills him. The problem is, m16s are now 50 years old. LOOK at wikiperida.

What we need to do is get the far cooler AK-47's or AK-103's that don't jam. Also AK-47s are more accurate and don't have shitty plastic parts like M16's. Barack Obama is causing big mistakes with the M16, and John McCain would have made the right choice to use the fucknig sexy AK-47 as the main gun of the US Army. I mean, are we still fighting WW2? We need a gun that works as cool as a German STG44 with Aperature sights.

A sign of someone who's played too much cod 4 and cod: waw.

Ok, the m16 doesn't jam that often if you take care of it. And the m16 is actually pretty powerful and extremely acurate. Also the ak-47 is very inaccurate compared to the m16 as shown here. Another problem with your argument is that the ak-47 was designed even earlier than the m16 because it was designed it 1944 and then produced for military trials in 1946. The m16 was designed in 1957 and went into service in 1964 to our present day. Also for the STG44, i hope you're joking.

Go fucking learn your facts before doing stupid shit like this.

[OneLastCaress]

The AK47 is now 60 years old, according to wikipedia.

[Drake]

At 3/25/09 12:13 AM, DJ-Divinorum wrote:

At 3/25/09 12:10 AM, ChocEliteBar wrote: How about we don't use terrorist weapons, and get some good weapons from them there Italians and Germans.

Shut the fuck up about weapons, M4 Carbines are decent-equipped weapons, unlike the M16.

Also dunbanme

Don't worry your post was mildly legit, Carbines have better range and accuracy, just a less clip size but the way we train soldier you don't even need to look reloading the gun, you know where the ammo is, you know where the triggers are on your gun, you know how to reload it. Without thinking, just on instinct, and you don't even think of counting how many bullets you used, you just know.

If you don't spray, and keep firing in bursts or single-fire, you'll save a lot more ammunition. With the tech they mount on the M4 it's a good weapon, but there could be better weapons issued.

[Quinny]

At 3/24/09 11:53 PM, duranduran wrote: Also AK-47s are more accurate

I stopped reading there. If you had any idea what was going on in the world, you'd know that the people behind the Barrett are working on a replacement which uses a 6.7mm calibre round and looks and works pretty much the same as the M4, except it's a bit meatier looking.

Also, playing CoD4 doesn't make you a firearms expert, dickhead.

[CaveyMc-fat]

At 3/24/09 11:53 PM, duranduran wrote: We're losing the war in iraq because

Idiot..

The problem is, m16s are now 50 years old. LOOK at wikiperida.

They aren't using the ones from 50 years ago though... The design has changed to accommodate today's conveniences. Also, the rifle models from 50 years ago were actually AR15's, which were different than M16's. The M16A4 is actually considered one of the most reliable rifles nowadays.

What we need to do is get the far cooler AK-47's or AK-103's that don't jam.

Now, I see that you are an idiot. The AK47's were faulty and had safety issues, and are now replaced with the AKM. All guns jam. All you have to do to unjam an M16 is mash the forward assist. Similarly, to unjam an AK, all you have to do is pull the charging bolt back and forth. It's simple, and is not a problem with guns.

Also AK-47s are more accurate and don't have shitty plastic parts like M16's.

AK's are known for their innacuracy, as M16's are known for precise accuracy. Are you just pulling this out of your ass? Also, AK's don't have plastic parts... They got wooden parts. (even better) And besides.

Barack Obama is causing big mistakes with the M16, and John McCain would have made the right choice to use the fucknig sexy AK-47 as the main gun of the US Army. I mean, are we still fighting WW2? We need a gun that works as cool as a German STG44 with Aperature sights.

Take a look at this and shut the fuck up, you dumbass.

[Idocreating]

Err what? I knew M16's were iffy with the amount of parts they had (took ages to clean) but i know that it's most certainly more accurate than the AK-47

[Yorik]

At 3/25/09 12:09 AM, DJ-Divinorum wrote:

At 3/24/09 11:55 PM, Adio wrote: Another thread made by someone who thinks they know guns because they played CoD4.

Typical, but what can you expect?

People take video games seriously because they look so much better now and are so much more descriptive, you'll get ignorant 8 year olds that take video games as fact once in awhile.

M16's aren't replaced because they work, and little do you know they've improved the technology on it multiple times, small bits of it through many years, but no major changes to make it an M17, or a completely new gun.

So really, it is new if you consider the latest upgrade in 2002 (correct me if I'm wrong, but I last remember there being a modification on it in 2002, there could've been another didn't check myself.)

All guns are improved throughout time.

Exept if you ask around among people in the military with a history in firearms who have used the weapon professionally they will tell you that the M-16 is still garbage compared to other weapons currently available. The AK-47 is a much older weapon based off of an even OLDER weapon, and it's still inexpensive, reliable and more powerful than the M-16. Not only that, but the AK-47 was designed for urban conflict and that is exactly the type of battle they are fighting in the middle east. I know you don't have to hear about how well-suited the AK-47 is to environments such as those in the middle east, what with sand everywhere, but that's another advantage.

You could argue that the M-16 is a better weapon in theory. All of the theory behind the decisions for the weapon's design are fine, but in practice it's just not dependable. The construction is far too complicated and, as I'm sure you know, fewer moving parts makes for a more reliable machine. It dosn't matter how fast your bullet travels or how much penetration you get or wether or not the bullet will ricochet within your target's torso if your weapon won't fire.

That's where the AK-47 comes in. As long as the ammunition is good and loaded into the chamber it WILL fire when you pull the trigger no matter what.

As a side note, I think if game developers somehow made reliability a factor in games people would think of guns much differently. In Counter-Strike, for example, the Terrorists would be unbelievably strong while the Counter-terrorists carry around garbage. HEY, just like REAL LIFE!

[Samen]

At 3/24/09 11:53 PM, duranduran wrote: We're losing the war in iraq

Am I going to be the first to call him out on this?
WE WON THE IRAQ WAR, AND CURRENTLY RUN THE COUNTRY AS AN OCCUPATIONAL FORCE. It is very unstable, and we don't have much actual control, and we basically broke all of the Middle East, but we did technically win that one.
So yeah.

[TimeforplanB]

At 3/25/09 12:39 AM, Yorik wrote:

At 3/25/09 12:09 AM, DJ-Divinorum wrote:

At 3/24/09 11:55 PM, Adio wrote: Another thread made by someone who thinks they know guns because they played CoD4.

Typical, but what can you expect?

People take video games seriously because they look so much better now and are so much more descriptive, you'll get ignorant 8 year olds that take video games as fact once in awhile.

M16's aren't replaced because they work, and little do you know they've improved the technology on it multiple times, small bits of it through many years, but no major changes to make it an M17, or a completely new gun.

So really, it is new if you consider the latest upgrade in 2002 (correct me if I'm wrong, but I last remember there being a modification on it in 2002, there could've been another didn't check myself.)

All guns are improved throughout time.

Exept if you ask around among people in the military with a history in firearms who have used the weapon professionally they will tell you that the M-16 is still garbage compared to other weapons currently available. The AK-47 is a much older weapon based off of an even OLDER weapon, and it's still inexpensive, reliable and more powerful than the M-16. Not only that, but the AK-47 was designed for urban conflict and that is exactly the type of battle they are fighting in the middle east. I know you don't have to hear about how well-suited the AK-47 is to environments such as those in the middle east, what with sand everywhere, but that's another advantage.

You could argue that the M-16 is a better weapon in theory. All of the theory behind the decisions for the weapon's design are fine, but in practice it's just not dependable. The construction is far too complicated and, as I'm sure you know, fewer moving parts makes for a more reliable machine. It dosn't matter how fast your bullet travels or how much penetration you get or wether or not the bullet will ricochet within your target's torso if your weapon won't fire.

That's where the AK-47 comes in. As long as the ammunition is good and loaded into the chamber it WILL fire when you pull the trigger no matter what.

As a side note, I think if game developers somehow made reliability a factor in games people would think of guns much differently. In Counter-Strike, for example, the Terrorists would be unbelievably strong while the Counter-terrorists carry around garbage. HEY, just like REAL LIFE!

Yes but if you can't hit anything it's useless. Once again i will restate it, if you take care of the gun properly it shouldn't jam. Since marines are trained they should be able to do that. Accuracy is a very important factor, if there's a terrorist spraying bullets everywhere from a somewhat far off range like you'll probably end up in battles in Iraq like shooting down a street it's pretty unlikely you'll actually get hit. With the m16 just flip it on semi auto or burst and take them out easy because it's accurate. It has enough stopping power to do the job. And even if he doesn't go down in 1 shot just shoot him again.

M16's are also cost effective as well, they may have some plastic parts but Ak's use wood. Sure it's slightly better but which do you think is cheaper and easier to mass produce? Switching guns would also ruin a lot of companies considering we have so many people already making m-16's. Mostly your argument consists of jamming so i will say it once again, a trained marine should be able to take care of his gun. For jams, just mash the forward assist like the previous guy said.

[Zergzealot]

wow, I never knew that AK-47 was much more accurate than the M16, you must be a gun expert!

[Drake]

At 3/25/09 12:32 AM, DJ-Divinorum wrote:

At 3/25/09 12:30 AM, ChocEliteBar wrote:

At 3/25/09 12:13 AM, DJ-Divinorum wrote:

At 3/25/09 12:10 AM, ChocEliteBar wrote: How about we don't use terrorist weapons, and get some good weapons from them there Italians and Germans.

Shut the fuck up about weapons, M4 Carbines are decent-equipped weapons, unlike the M16.

Also dunbanme

Don't worry your post was mildly legit, Carbines have better range and accuracy, just a less clip size but the way we train soldier you don't even need to look reloading the gun, you know where the ammo is, you know where the triggers are on your gun, you know how to reload it. Without thinking, just on instinct, and you don't even think of counting how many bullets you used, you just know.

If you don't spray, and keep firing in bursts or single-fire, you'll save a lot more ammunition. With the tech they mount on the M4 it's a good weapon, but there could be better weapons issued.

You're spot on there, a lot of the Military Forces are trained to be as conservative as possible, but not everyone likes to take that advice at intense times. Sometimes a bit of "recklesness" comes in the heat of a battle. You can't blame a man for being safe rather than being sorry.

Ha-ha! Now saving ammo is important. Bursts are more effective at shooting through objects, but full-auto is more effective at penetration of an entire area. But, grenades are also effective.

We need some newer weapons to phase out the M16, but some other current rifles in use by other countries are just as good, or better.

[Yorik]

At 3/25/09 12:48 AM, TimeforplanB wrote: Yes but if you can't hit anything it's useless. Once again i will restate it, if you take care of the gun properly it shouldn't jam. Since marines are trained they should be able to do that. Accuracy is a very important factor, if there's a terrorist spraying bullets everywhere from a somewhat far off range like you'll probably end up in battles in Iraq like shooting down a street it's pretty unlikely you'll actually get hit. With the m16 just flip it on semi auto or burst and take them out easy because it's accurate. It has enough stopping power to do the job. And even if he doesn't go down in 1 shot just shoot him again.

M16's are also cost effective as well, they may have some plastic parts but Ak's use wood. Sure it's slightly better but which do you think is cheaper and easier to mass produce? Switching guns would also ruin a lot of companies considering we have so many people already making m-16's. Mostly your argument consists of jamming so i will say it once again, a trained marine should be able to take care of his gun. For jams, just mash the forward assist like the previous guy said.

Guns don't only jam if they are cleaned improperly. They can jam due to the environment as well. Have you ever noticed that warzones don't typically have optimal conditions? Most of the time it would seem that you're in a jungle or in a swamp or in a desert... Sometimes the problem isn't simply the loading of a round(the only thing that the forward assist affects.) A gun that jams due to some evnironmental issue will probably continue to do so untill it is cleaned and stripping your weapon in mid combat is not an option.

They don't have to use the AK-47 exactly. Some variation or modification would be fine as long as it performs reliably. AKs are made all over the world and their quality is variable, but some are extremely accurate contrary to their reputation. Most of their inaccuracy comes from the kick of the round, anyway, in which case you could always use something with a little less bite if you didn't need all of that power. The point isn't just to get AKs, it's to get something that can compete with it. By the way, you can already fit your AK with synthetic stocks...

Most of the combat in Iraq occurs from a distance of a dozen feet or so. You don't have to worry about accuracy, all you need to do is neutralize the target and move on. They are using carbines at the moment for that reason, so they don't necessarily have the accuracy that you might expect, anyway. I don't want to say that it will always be the case, but if you really have someone at the end of a street spraying at you there should be someone around you with an M14 nearby. Those are still in service and they are unbelievably accurate.